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Re: looking for Jaws keystroke for WE command

John Covici
 

I think its alt-shift and down/up/lwft/right arrow keys. It goes by 2
pixels by default if I remember correctly.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:13:47 -0400,
Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

In Window-Eyes, it was possible to move the mouse pointer by
pixels. My brother has a web site where he must route the mouse
to a certain letter on the screen and then navigate 20 pixels
upward in order to click on a specific point on the screen.

example:

the word "name" is in position 340 (horizontal) and 444 (vertical)

The letter "e" in "name" is at position 356, 444

He needs to move the mouse from the e to position 356, 424 in
order to click the invisible button.

Is there a way he can do this with Jaws? He is running Win10 and
is still learning how to get around with Jaws. Thanks for any
help.

Carol






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looking for Jaws keystroke for WE command

Carol Smith
 

Hi,

In Window-Eyes, it was possible to move the mouse pointer by pixels. My brother has a web site where he must route the mouse to a certain letter on the screen and then navigate 20 pixels upward in order to click on a specific point on the screen.

example:

the word "name" is in position 340 (horizontal) and 444 (vertical)

The letter "e" in "name" is at position 356, 444

He needs to move the mouse from the e to position 356, 424 in order to click the invisible button.

Is there a way he can do this with Jaws? He is running Win10 and is still learning how to get around with Jaws. Thanks for any help.

Carol


Re: Jaws & iCloud control panel

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Thanks for the heads up. :(

Yeah, I dont know what is up with Apples accessibility on PC's... Is it the way Windows handles things or maybe they want you to buy a Mac? LOL :)
ITunes and ICloud havent ever been as accessible as their IOS versions
Can' speak to the usability on a Mac... Never had the chance to play with one.
The Icloud website wasnt very accessible when I used it last. But to be fair that was years ago. :)
On 9/27/2017 7:33 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:

Not sure how many of you use the iCloud control panel software put out by Apple Inc. to keep your  PC and iPhone in sync. but most recent update:

iCloud for Windows Version 7.0.0.0

which I installed last evening is no longer accessible via normal JAWS navigation such as tabbing through the controls you want (checkboxes) and don’t as well as the apply, ok, sign out buttons etc.

After much tinkering around, I did find a way to get to what I needed to via the JAWS touch cursor. I’m not a big fan of that and prefer normal ways of getting around the page but it is better than nothing. Just a FYI as I’ve been using this program for years and all updates until this one have been very accessible.

 

Best,

Al



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Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I just had to revert to win 7 at my business because a Win 10 update caused the software for some testing hardware I use to stop working in windows 10. So like stated it really depends on your apps... Over all win 10 is useable with the normal Jaws issues that occured in win 7 Just a few more...

On 9/27/2017 10:22 AM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi Laura! I have both Windows 10, and Windows 7 machines where I work. I like using Windows 10 more and more, because newer versions of JAWS work better using applications that I am using perform my job duties. As stated before, it really depends on the type of work you're involved in doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows 10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura





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Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Michael Mote
 

Hi Laura! I have both Windows 10, and Windows 7 machines where I work. I like using Windows 10 more and more, because newer versions of JAWS work better using applications that I am using perform my job duties. As stated before, it really depends on the type of work you're involved in doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows 10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura


Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

 

Can you give specific reasons?
I think your decision also needs to take into account the applications you use. I like Windows 10 a lot, but in my business for example I use Sage 50 as my accounting software and in Windows 7 I can use the Jaws cursor to look at certain information on the screen and, if need be, there are a few examples where I have to click on something which is only possible with the Jaws cursor.
I tried using Sage 50 with Windows 10 and as in many other situations, the Jaws cursor reads absolutely nothing. I can get to some of the information I need with the touch cursor, but I can't get to some other items so at this point this alone means that I would at least need one machine with Windows 7 so I can still run Sage 50 on that.
The Jaws cursor in Windows 10 is certainly a lot less useful so if you have applications where you need it then I would say it might be better to stick with Windows 7 for now.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

it is fifty-fifty, i honestly would stay with widnows 7, if you can.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Wolk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows 10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura


Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Marvin,

 

Desktop 1 in Windows 10 is your normal desktop, there is no other. I think somebody else said this already, but just accept the fact that is calls it desktop 1 and not desktop. Since you can create virtual desktops I think this makes a lot of sense, it would hardly be logical if it were only called “Desktop” and then if you created a second desktop this would be called Desktop 1 and so on. It’s a bit like elevators, some say the main or ground floor is 1, others call it main or lobby, but in a way calling it 1 does also make sense because if a building has 5 floors then the main floor is also one of them so instead of calling it Main and then 1 to 4 why not call it 1 and then go to 5.

This to me sounds like more of an OCD issue. I don’t want to say you are OCD since I don’t know you, but to get super excited about the fact it now says Desktop 1 instead of just Desktop and to spend a lot of time discussing it is a waste of time especially since that is the way it is and I doubt Microsoft is going to change it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi,

 

Check the properties of your Intel graphics driver.  Disable hotkeys.  Control-Win Left and Right rotate the screen by default.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: 27 September 2017 04:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I have the same problem; my computer only works with desktop 1; if I use control plus n and go to desktop, I cannot move anywhere.  From the start button, and the rest, only can use desktop 1; if there is a solution to get the regular desktop to take desktop 1’s place, I would like to know of it.

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:20 PM

Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I usually just type Windows+x u u if I need to shut down the system entirely.

 

However, since I’m using a laptop (whether mine at home or the one at work), I usually just type Windows +x u s to suspend it instead of performing a full shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

it is fifty-fifty, i honestly would stay with widnows 7, if you can.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Wolk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows
10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with
various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my
work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems
for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura


Re: Jaws & iCloud control panel

Dave...
 

Yes, observed the same.
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 07:33
Subject: Jaws & iCloud control panel

Not sure how many of you use the iCloud control panel software put out by Apple Inc. to keep your  PC and iPhone in sync. but most recent update:

iCloud for Windows Version 7.0.0.0

which I installed last evening is no longer accessible via normal JAWS navigation such as tabbing through the controls you want (checkboxes) and don’t as well as the apply, ok, sign out buttons etc.

After much tinkering around, I did find a way to get to what I needed to via the JAWS touch cursor. I’m not a big fan of that and prefer normal ways of getting around the page but it is better than nothing. Just a FYI as I’ve been using this program for years and all updates until this one have been very accessible.

 

Best,

Al


Jaws & iCloud control panel

Alan Robbins
 

Not sure how many of you use the iCloud control panel software put out by Apple Inc. to keep your  PC and iPhone in sync. but most recent update:

iCloud for Windows Version 7.0.0.0

which I installed last evening is no longer accessible via normal JAWS navigation such as tabbing through the controls you want (checkboxes) and don’t as well as the apply, ok, sign out buttons etc.

After much tinkering around, I did find a way to get to what I needed to via the JAWS touch cursor. I’m not a big fan of that and prefer normal ways of getting around the page but it is better than nothing. Just a FYI as I’ve been using this program for years and all updates until this one have been very accessible.

 

Best,

Al


Re: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Jeanette McAllister PhD
 

Personally, I find Windows 10 more stable than Windows 7 when it comes to JAWS 18.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows 10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura


General state of Jaws 18 compatibility with Windows 10?

Laura Wolk
 

Hi all,

My work place is in the process of upgrading from windows 7 to Windows
10. I recall many of my Jaws-user friends had difficulties with
various acccessibility losses when Windows 10 came out. I can ask my
work to keep my machine running windows 7. What have peoples'
experiences been with Windows 10? Will upgrading likely cuse problems
for me, or have most of the wrinkles been ironed out by this point?

Laura


Re: returning to normal desktop

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Check the properties of your Intel graphics driver.  Disable hotkeys.  Control-Win Left and Right rotate the screen by default.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: 27 September 2017 04:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I have the same problem; my computer only works with desktop 1; if I use control plus n and go to desktop, I cannot move anywhere.  From the start button, and the rest, only can use desktop 1; if there is a solution to get the regular desktop to take desktop 1’s place, I would like to know of it.

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:20 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I usually just type Windows+x u u if I need to shut down the system entirely.

 

However, since I’m using a laptop (whether mine at home or the one at work), I usually just type Windows +x u s to suspend it instead of performing a full shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


Re: Desktop 1

Steve Nutt
 

Ah, I see, so it’s using virtual desktops with a numbering system.  Nice.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 26 September 2017 16:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi, Steve. I don’t believe the number one attached to the primary desktop is because JAWS thinks the primary desktop is a tree view. Try this experiment. You can create virtual desktops with Windows 10.

 

While on your primary desktop, Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

JAWS will say:

Running Applications list box.

Now, Tab once

JAWS will say,

New Desktop button.

Press ENTER.

Now, when you go to your desktop and press JAWS key plus T,

JAWS will say,

Desktop2. This is because you now have your primary desktop plus one virtual desktop.

 

To get back to your Primary Desktop or Desktop1,

Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

Now, as you Tab around, you will see that you have Desktop1 and Desktop2. If you press ENTER on Desktop1, you will be back on your primary desktop which is Desktop1.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 


Re: Windows Live Mail question

netbat66
 

try checking in the home folder I think. there is a option to set wlm to be off line. maybe this is the problem.
I don’t know if this is turned off when you sign on or not.
 

From: David Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows Live Mail question
 
Hello all:

"Live Mail" came pre-installed on my Dell64-bit Windows7 desktop machine.
Until now, it has always served me  well.  Starting today, when I access my
"contacts" folder(Cntrl + 3) it now asks me to sign in for this folder when
previously, the described key sequence has always placed me into my
"contacts" list-no requirement to sign in.

I am wondering if some box, or something has been inadvertently been checked
to cause this new "sign-in" step?  If yes, how can I return the e-mail
program back to its previous state where I didn't receive the "sign in"
notice to be placed in my "contacts" folder list?

Thanks for any help,



David S. Pearson






Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Desktop one is the "normal desktop. insert +N creates a folder that is the "desktop". This is why you have all the items you would have if you opened a folder. I.E. menus, folder tree, details radio button and the search field.This is what you would see if you went to c:\users\user name\desktop.

So dont use ctrl + N...
Dont stress on the name of the desktop reported by jaws. Desktop one is the default desktop.
On 9/26/2017 8:18 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
I have the same problem; my computer only works with desktop 1; if I use control plus n and go to desktop, I cannot move anywhere.  From the start button, and the rest, only can use desktop 1; if there is a solution to get the regular desktop to take desktop 1’s place, I would like to know of it.
 
From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop
 

I usually just type Windows+x u u if I need to shut down the system entirely.

 

However, since I’m using a laptop (whether mine at home or the one at work), I usually just type Windows +x u s to suspend it instead of performing a full shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 



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Re: returning to normal desktop

marvin kotler
 

I have the same problem; my computer only works with desktop 1; if I use control plus n and go to desktop, I cannot move anywhere.  From the start button, and the rest, only can use desktop 1; if there is a solution to get the regular desktop to take desktop 1’s place, I would like to know of it.
 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop
 

I usually just type Windows+x u u if I need to shut down the system entirely.

 

However, since I’m using a laptop (whether mine at home or the one at work), I usually just type Windows +x u s to suspend it instead of performing a full shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Don H
 

As I indicated when this happens The only way I can get back to normal is a hard reboot.  Can't use the Jaws shutdown function, nor can I use the normal Windows restart.

I also use NVDA and it has no such issues with Edge.

On 9/26/2017 6:01 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Sadly when that happens you may have to close down JAWS and restart it.


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On 9/26/2017 6:32 PM, Don H wrote:
OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly well.  I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D or Windows M doesn't help.  I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get to any of the options.  Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that says it works with Edge.

This same  issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.








Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

Don H
 

I also am using Edge with NVDA and have no such issues.  NVDA works great with Edge.

On 9/26/2017 6:17 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi again, Don. That's basically what I was asking. Was it a windows 10 install from scratch, or was it an upgrade. Perhaps it is a problem caused by the fact that it is an upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 10. My two computers which had Windows 10 installed on them at time of purchase have not had the problems you described.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

No I upgraded my HP laptop from Windows 8 very shortly after Windows 10
was available. I have now tried opening and closing Edge and it screws
up things 3 out of the 5 times I tried it.


On 9/26/2017 5:51 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. I, too, have Windows 10 Creators update and latest update to JAWS. I tried your same procedure, and did not experience the problems you described. I did this on two computers, one a PC, the other a laptop. Both of mine were new as of April, 2017.

Did you maybe upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10? Could this possibly be part of the problem?

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Latest Jaws update and MS Edge support

OK I followed the instructions to enable Edge support in the global Jaws
settings.

I then open Edge and did a little surfing and it seems to work fairly
well. I then closed Edge using alt F4 to return to the desktop.

At this point I can get to none of the icons on the desktop. Windows D
or Windows M doesn't help. I then tried to do a restart of Win 10 and
when the dialog box opened to restart, shutdown or sleep I could not get
to any of the options. Only way to clear the issue was a hard reboot of
the computer.

Running Win 10 creator edition and as I said the latest Jaws update that
says it works with Edge.

This same issue happens when using the Jaws 2018 beta.






















Re: Excel workbooks 2016.

Dale Alton <blinkydale@...>
 

I ess I am a bit confused.  I am understanding that in the QA Check page there are titles but after you press the macro button they don’t read.  Is this correct.  Or is it when the macro button is pressed it goes to the QA Check page and then it doesn't read.  I would make sure the titles in the verbosity are set up the same on both pages.

 

Denver Dale

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel workbooks 2016.

 

Hey guys!

I am stuck on a problem in Excel 2016; I have a workbook with two sheets.

Sheet 1 is Master, & Sheet 2 is Qa check & it is a hidden sheet sheet 1 Master sheet has some micros & with a button to create a copy of sheet 2 Qa check.

In sheet 2 Qa check, I have added the Title to make it read & it reads just fine.

Now this is the problem, with sheet 1 Master in focus I use the keyboard shortcut that is assigned to the button that creates a copy of sheet 2 Qa check!

It creates the copy but Jaws is not reading the Titles of columns in the copy of sheet QA check!

FYI!

And no I cannot share the file due to the micros in the sheet!

 

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