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Re: speaking passwords

netbat66
 

been there. did that.
i use window eyes for passwords then reload jaws.
a complete waste of time when they could give us the option to turn keypresses on or off in settings.
they could set it up so it needed a password to change this setting. then only the administrator would be able to change it.
this would meet the vfo criteria for security in the work place.

-----Original Message-----
From: Feliciano G
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords




For your security, speaking passwords is not available on some screen readers like JAWS for Windows. A workaround that sometimes works is to type the password on your choice of word processor and then copy and paste it onto the password textfield. #Privacy #TypingEcho

Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:50 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@gmail.com> wrote:


because sighted people can see the keyboard. we can not.
and with me i can not concentrate on the passwords i enter with it saying star star star with every key press.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

If sighted users can't see the password why should we?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

Dam shame that FS doesn't think its users have the capacity to make a
decision to speak passwords or not.

On 8/17/2018 4:47 PM, netbat66 wrote:
rots of ruck.
i asked for this last year and vfo told me this was a security risk and
they would not allow this with any versions of jaws.
and why not?
i am not a business this is home with only me. no one else is going to
see the passwords. unless my dog can talk. grin

-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speaking passwords

With both Window Eyes and NVDA you have a option to speak passwords as
you type them in. I sure would like to see this feature in JAWS.


Focus 14 - Charging cable

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi all,

I just purchased a Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, and I'm loving it so
far. I do have a question. I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of a
short charging cable. The cable in the box is way too long, so I'm looking
for a shorter cable.

All help is welcomed.

JR


Re: speaking passwords

Feliciano G
 

For your security, speaking passwords is not available on some screen readers like JAWS for Windows. A workaround that sometimes works is to type the password on your choice of word processor and then copy and paste it onto the password textfield. #Privacy #TypingEcho 

Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 


On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:50 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:

because sighted people can see the keyboard. we can not.
and with me i can not concentrate on the passwords i enter with it saying star star star with every key press.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

If sighted users can't see the password why should we?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

Dam shame that FS doesn't think its users have the capacity to make a
decision to speak passwords or not.

On 8/17/2018 4:47 PM, netbat66 wrote:
rots of ruck.
i asked for this last year and vfo told me this was a security risk and
they would not allow this with any versions of jaws.
and why not?
i am not a business this is home with only me. no one else is going to
see the passwords. unless my dog can talk. grin

-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: speaking passwords

With both Window Eyes and NVDA you have a option to speak passwords as
you type them in.  I sure would like to see this feature in JAWS.




















Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:31 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Here is a true story. 
And I have no doubt it is true if the parrot was an Amazon or African Gray, particularly the latter.  I have two parrots, a blue and gold macaw and an African gray, that are both rescues.  Pepper, the gray, when we got him could and did produce the answering machine messages from his former owner as if he were a tape recorder.  I cannot imagine how long his previous owner must have kept messages before deleting them, as they don't learn anything without hearing it again and again and practicing (and you can hear when they're doing that).

I'm sure if I kept any screen reader on for long enough, and on the same document, he'd start "reading" that document at random in the voice used by the screen reader.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016

Christopher Zeigler
 

Hello when you exit or close Jaws then make sure it completely exit then open the task manager look for anything that may relate to Jaws there are several things that draws keeps running in the background when it exits if you quit it and end the processes then Jaws should start up correctly and start working this should fix some of the problems however if you cannot see the screen at all as soon as Joe's closes then you will need to lunch narrator to continue with working with the task manager to end the process then you'll be able to start Jaws to start correctly
Chris

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 4:31 AM Ashleigh Piccinino <apiccinino@...> wrote:
I think we also need to know what version of jaws you are using. Have you tried contacting the FO? They might be able to help.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:41:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016
 
What version of Windows are you using? I was doing mainframe programming until last year. I was using Office 2016, Windows 7 and host explorer emulation package.  What company are you working on a mainframe? What language do you program in?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016

I have a very similar problem using jaws 2018, any program in office
2016 and a mainframe emulator called attachmate.

Like you, if I flip between an office application then back to attachmate I seem to lose control of my cursor. Jaws reads only the line where the cursor was positioned before switching windows and won't read anything else unless I refresh the screen with the jaws key
+ escape.

The only way I've found to get jaws back on track is to log out of the emulator and back in.

As I said, this problem isn't particular to word, at least for me. It also happens with Skype for business, outlook and any other office application.

Kim

On 8/16/18, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote:
> Hello, I will be in a word document and flip to Outlook2016 to get
> something from an email. I have multiple documents in word open. After
> flipping back and forth from Outlook and word Jaws has a hard time
> reading the word document. I cannot use the control key and a arrow
> key to move from word to word. I have to arrow up and down multiple
> times to have a line read. I end up unload and loading Jaws. Then
> after flipping back and forth between outlook and word it goes back to
> have the problem with reading. I even made sure the word window is
> maximized. What could be wrong?
>
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> Kevin Meyers - motivational speaker
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--
Kimberly







Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Have you tried running a repair on jaws? If not and if that doesn’t help contact VFO. They might be able to help.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.
 
I am running the same software and have been haing the same problem for the
last couple of days.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

is audio ducking disabled?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jim Rawls [mailto:jazzpiano@...]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 18, 2018 10:40 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: my computer keeps changing volumes.

Hi all, is this a jaws issue? My volume on my computer will go up slightly
and then go down below what I have it set for. I am running windows ten and
jaws 2018. Jim














Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

I think we also need to know what version of jaws you are using. Have you tried contacting the FO? They might be able to help.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:41:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016
 
What version of Windows are you using? I was doing mainframe programming until last year. I was using Office 2016, Windows 7 and host explorer emulation package.  What company are you working on a mainframe? What language do you program in?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016

I have a very similar problem using jaws 2018, any program in office
2016 and a mainframe emulator called attachmate.

Like you, if I flip between an office application then back to attachmate I seem to lose control of my cursor. Jaws reads only the line where the cursor was positioned before switching windows and won't read anything else unless I refresh the screen with the jaws key
+ escape.

The only way I've found to get jaws back on track is to log out of the emulator and back in.

As I said, this problem isn't particular to word, at least for me. It also happens with Skype for business, outlook and any other office application.

Kim

On 8/16/18, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote:
> Hello, I will be in a word document and flip to Outlook2016 to get
> something from an email. I have multiple documents in word open. After
> flipping back and forth from Outlook and word Jaws has a hard time
> reading the word document. I cannot use the control key and a arrow
> key to move from word to word. I have to arrow up and down multiple
> times to have a line read. I end up unload and loading Jaws. Then
> after flipping back and forth between outlook and word it goes back to
> have the problem with reading. I even made sure the word window is
> maximized. What could be wrong?
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Meyers - motivational speaker
>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinsmeyers.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbe2bcce9e6584bfac11c08d6055c8b9b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636702292362666779&amp;sdata=vnbyOyb9%2FJBSWj9vWXiw9BPvRmqoPwf9x3dL52Q78pI%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> 6100 West Stonehedge Drive
>
> Suite 148C
>
> Greenfield, WI 53220
>
> 312-625-7710
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Kimberly







Re: speaking passwords

David & his pack of dogs
 

As a method of levity on this topic.  Here is a true story.  A man had a parrot and the man gave his credit card # over the phone to an agency.  As time went by he sold the parrot to someone else.  Thankfully she was a Bank of America employee.  Why?  Because the parrot resighted the man’s credit card number verbatim including the security code on the back to her. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: August 18, 2018 9:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

That is quite different than not being able to type the password due to blindness or lack of typing skills. And in your case I wouldn’t have hired you in the first place. I ran an IT business and we all did a lot of typing .

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

Let us see I am a former aerospace Engineer and hold a masters in

computer science.  My old fingers are stiff in my old age from all the

typing I have done in the past.

 

On 8/18/2018 7:50 PM, Gene Stevens wrote:

> As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at

> my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough

> to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to

> hold the job you have.

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>

> *Sent: *Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM

> *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: speaking passwords

>

> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote:

>

>     By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on

>     the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we

>     have JAWS set to echo characters.

>

> I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be

> provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure.

>

> After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that

> "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the

> high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to

> precisely that kind of error.

>

> Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own

> chosen password or use a password manager.

>

> The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters

> struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've

> witnessed, repeatedly, many will try.

>

> --

>

> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

>

> /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the

> right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./

>

>            ~ Dorothy Nevill

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: JAWS Scripts for Audible & Youtube

 

Hi David,

 

I also received the warning “Windows protected  your PC” or something like that. You can simply tab to “More Info”, activate that and then tab to “Install anyways”, after that the installation proceeds normally.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts for Audible & Youtube

 

I'd like to talk to doug lee concerning what I experienced when trying to download the jaws scripts for audible.  What happened when I downloaded the jaws scripts for audible was that I tried to install them and I got a message saying that the jaws scripts were blocked by windowsdefender.  I have jaws2018 on my system as a demo.  That is why I didn't install the jaws scripts for youtube.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike B."
Sent: Aug 17, 2018 11:46 AM
To: JFW List
Subject: JAWS Scripts for Audible & Youtube


Hi All,

 

Thought some might be interested in this from this weeks edition of Top Tech Tidbits:

 

16. A. Doug Lee has JAWS scripts for YouTube:

 

 

16. B. And is developing scripts for the Win10 Audible app:

 


Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: speaking passwords

Gene Stevens
 

That is quite different than not being able to type the password due to blindness or lack of typing skills. And in your case I wouldn’t have hired you in the first place. I ran an IT business and we all did a lot of typing .

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

Let us see I am a former aerospace Engineer and hold a masters in

computer science.  My old fingers are stiff in my old age from all the

typing I have done in the past.

 

On 8/18/2018 7:50 PM, Gene Stevens wrote:

> As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at

> my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough

> to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to

> hold the job you have.

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>

> *Sent: *Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM

> *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: speaking passwords

>

> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote:

>

>     By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on

>     the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we

>     have JAWS set to echo characters.

>

> I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be

> provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure.

>

> After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that

> "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the

> high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to

> precisely that kind of error.

>

> Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own

> chosen password or use a password manager.

>

> The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters

> struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've

> witnessed, repeatedly, many will try.

>

> --

>

> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

>

> /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the

> right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./

>

>            ~ Dorothy Nevill

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: speaking passwords

Dennis Brown
 

Hi,
I am a rare exception to your list of should-be’s.  I use a telegraph key as input because of a loss of hands, and need to get assurance that the key sequence of dit’s and dah’s are correct.
Espectually when you get two or three chances only to get it right.
Most in work environments use headphones so as not to have speech interfere with co-workers, so the user would be the only one hearing it.
Being libertarian, I want the freedom to make choices for myself—let me be the one to decide if I think any particular time I want to hear it or not.  If I think it is high-risk, then that is one time I’ll turn it off.  But, for most situations at home, I’d want it on.
Government web sites are generally set for a fixed number of attempts at getting it right then you are shut out for 24 hours, , and rightfully so, but when you have typing stability disabilities, echoing the characters will allow me to backspace and reenter that character before continuing.
Password Managers are an easy fix, but there will always be that one time or two when the situation requires a manual type-in.
Thanks,
Dennis
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords
 
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote:
By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.
I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure.

After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to precisely that kind of error.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own chosen password or use a password manager.

The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've witnessed, repeatedly, many will try.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


A suggestion for using pass words:

Angel
 

I, too, have difficulty using my right hand when typing.  I find it most difficult to use the built in keyboard on lap tops.  For which I purchased a USB I use that keyboard for all my computer work.  Because the keys are larger.  This might be of an assist for those whose hands lack adequate dexterity.   


Re: speaking passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Gene. This wouldn’t be an option likely to be implemented in the workplace anyway. Not all of us use JAWS only in the workplace.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to hold the job you have.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote:

By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.

I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure.

After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to precisely that kind of error.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own chosen password or use a password manager.

The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've witnessed, repeatedly, many will try.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: speaking passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Security wise, it could not be a default option, and should only be able to be implemented by an administrator.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

I forgot the particular situation in which this took place.  But, I recall being on the phone with another totally blind person.  I was amazed to hear his screen reader, as we spoke.  Apparently, he was educated in Africa.  He was delegated to do the typing, when he was a child, for the nuns who ran the residential school in which he was educated, in the 1960's.  The head phones, then available, were quite heavy; and caused much distress to those who wore them.  As a result, to this day, he refuses to wear them.  He is a professor, at a University.  I can imagine how his attitude concerning the use of head phones might effect any perceived security issues.  However, he has been such a fine typist.  He would not require such an option.  I also have a further question.  If Foe were to incorporate this option, would it be a default option?  I would hope it wouldn't.  I, personally, would find it to be a bother to turn such an option off. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:54 PM

Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 03:50 PM, Bill White wrote:

I would never advocate using spoken passwords in a public or employment situation. Even if we are employed at home, if we are on the phone with someone, they could hear our spoken password.

The problem being, Bill, while yours is a sensible position having this be a user toggle is, from a computer security assessment perspective, an accident waiting to happen.  And it would.

VFO is erring on the side of caution in a situation where caution is desirable, nay, necessary.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: programs for opening . rar files

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

7-zip is always free.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: programs for opening . rar files

do you have to buy winzip or 7zip, or do they have free 1s, was just curious.

On 8/18/18, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
I use 7-zip to open rar files. If you don't have the latest 7-zip program,
you may not be able to open all rar files.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:11 AM
To: main
Subject: programs for opening . rar files

Hey guys,

What's the best program for dealing with .rar files.










Re: speaking passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

They could have such a problem, I suppose, until they Tabbed, and found another form field.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters.  When typed as pass words.  The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being an option is this:  There are times I find myself in a user name form field.  Rather than in the pass word form field.  In fact, I did so today.  When I heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong form field.  Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar problem.  Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they were.  Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not.   And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on.  That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No"
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

netbat66
 

if vfo required a administrator password to turn this option on or off it couldn't be turned on accidently. grin

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:
The security argument is spurious.No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No."

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

netbat66
 

one problem i had with one password manager last pass was it would forget some of the passwords and i had to re enter them again. if i was not useing my own passwords saved on a flash drive i would of been locked out of my accounts.
maybe the web sites were blocking the use of password managers? i don't know.
so i don't use them anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tessore
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

Hi all,
The only security risk I can’t imagine eliminating is that of a shoulder surfer. If I were concerned about my password being captured while entering it, I’d have it ready to refer to it in either a braille format (like a braille note taker or a 3x5 card) so a synthesizer won’t announce it, or on some synthesizer enabled device (like a smart phone) and a head set to let me hear the characters and no one else. Yes, it’s a pain to have no feed back during keying, but that’s where practice, patience, and sometimes a pair of ear buds come in handy. Alternatively, I’d use a password manager and bypass the storage device and headset altogether. But then I prefer to depend on my own skills for access and security.

Shabbat shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com





On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:
The security argument is spurious.No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No."

--


Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

Don H
 

Let us see I am a former aerospace Engineer and hold a masters in computer science. My old fingers are stiff in my old age from all the typing I have done in the past.

On 8/18/2018 7:50 PM, Gene Stevens wrote:
As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to hold the job you have.
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*From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: speaking passwords
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote:
By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on
the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we
have JAWS set to echo characters.
I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure.
After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to precisely that kind of error.
Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own chosen password or use a password manager.
The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've witnessed, repeatedly, many will try.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./
          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

Angel
 

This is why there are other screen readers. Which employers don't use. People without the ability to type accurately, for some reason, can use those screen readers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: speaking passwords


How about us old men who can't type well and are using their computers at home. Make it a option that can be easily disabled.

On 8/18/2018 7:30 PM, Angel wrote:
I am talking, also, about the perceptions potential employers have regarding the capabilities of blind individuals. If we have any desire, whatever, to become an employee; shouldn't we be expected to type at least as well as our sighted counterparts. Who are seeking the same position as are we? If not, this lowers the expectations for all blind individuals. If a Jaws user employs an assist, such as Dragon Naturally Speaking. Because they might have a problem using their hands. Would Dragon Naturally Speaking be expected to also speak the characters of ones pass words? Would this not compromise a companies security. Or, might the potential employer believe it might? This causing a blind person to attempt to debunk another possible myth. Held by sighted employers?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: speaking passwords


Since in such a situation you would probably have a set of headphones attached so everyone would not be bothered by the noise your idea doesn't hold water.

On 8/18/2018 2:31 PM, Angel wrote:

I also believe, if there is ever the idea given to sighted employers that we blind individuals might required spoken pass words; they will have another excuse not to hire us. They will believe spoken pass words will further compromise their companies security.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: speaking passwords

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 02:50 AM, netbat66 wrote:

because sighted people can see the keyboard. we can not.

So? Most people do not "hunt and peck" type, whether passwords or
anything else. They're not looking at the keyboard in the vast
majority of cases. We (as I am part of the group "sighted people")
fat finger our passwords all the time and have to re-enter them.

As far as I'm concerned, VFO has it right. Passwords should never
be spoken, letter by letter, as they are typed in, anywhere. A user
is expected to remember them or use a password manager, and most of
those can shoot you right to the webpage and enter the login id and
password both, if conventional coding methods, rather than pop-up
sign-in boxes, are used.

Speaking password character entry entirely defeats the intention of
passwords to begin with.

--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment./

~ Dorothy Nevill