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New update to JAWS 2018 out now … or so it seems on my end, anyway

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

Hello,

The JAWS Version 2018.1808.10 is out on my end of using JAWS 2018 now. Please look up things on this update from VFO’s website and/or download using auto-update tool in JAWS.

Ashleigh S. Piccinino

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows desktop question

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Robin. The option of which Chris is speaking is in the View tab of File Explorer Options, and might look like this:

 

Use check boxes to select items

 

In your case it will say:

 

-ON

 

To disable check boxes on the desktop, press SPACE BAR on this option. Then it will say:

 

Use check boxes to select items-OFF

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:27 AM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io)
Subject: Windows desktop question

 

HI,

Using Win 10 with JAWS 2018, I’ve noticed that, when arrowing around the desktop icons, JAWS will say “checked” after reading the icon name.  is this normal?  Is there an instance when it would say “unchecked”?  

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager

Key Equipment Finance |  720-304-1060

www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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Re: Windows desktop question

Chris
 

This is because use check boxes to select items is enabled in file explorer options

Disable this option if its too annoying or have no use for the check box selection option

 

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 21 August 2018 19:27
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io)
Subject: Windows desktop question

 

HI,

Using Win 10 with JAWS 2018, I’ve noticed that, when arrowing around the desktop icons, JAWS will say “checked” after reading the icon name.  is this normal?  Is there an instance when it would say “unchecked”?  

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager

Key Equipment Finance |  720-304-1060

www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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Windows desktop question

Van Lant, Robin
 

HI,

Using Win 10 with JAWS 2018, I’ve noticed that, when arrowing around the desktop icons, JAWS will say “checked” after reading the icon name.  is this normal?  Is there an instance when it would say “unchecked”?  

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager

Key Equipment Finance |  720-304-1060

www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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Re: threads in outlook 2016, with jaws 2018

Van Lant, Robin
 

On the view ribbon, tab to the checkbox that says “Show as conversations” and hit spacebar.  Then, go back to the view ribbon and tab until the arrangement group and the “reverse sort” button. Hit enter on that button to reverse the current order, which I assume is currently by date, but with the oldest at the top. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: threads in outlook 2016, with jaws 2018

 

Hi,

I’m using outlook2016, with Jaws 2018.

 

I’d like to make it so that my newest messages are on top, and that messages be threaded.

 

How can I accomplish this?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 



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Table headers in Word documents

Van Lant, Robin
 

It is a nice feature that JAWS automatically reads the column headers in a table in Word while tabbing from cell to cell.  There are times, however, when the column headers are long and make this a tedious way when I just want to hear the cell contents.  Is there a way to turn this off on the fly for such cases?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager

Key Equipment Finance |  720-304-1060

www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Bob Hicks
 

Hey Steve, does Jaws work well with SincBack? Thanks for the tip.

Have a great day, 73

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Hi,

Yes, Syncback, or Syncback Pro from http://www.2brightsparks.com

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: 16 August 2018 03:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?


threads in outlook 2016, with jaws 2018

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

I’m using outlook2016, with Jaws 2018.

 

I’d like to make it so that my newest messages are on top, and that messages be threaded.

 

How can I accomplish this?

 

Thanks,

Jessica


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Nutt
 

It, well, backs up. <Smile..

You can find out all about it at http://www.2brightsparks.com, where you can also download a free demo.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: 20 August 2018 16:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

can you tell me about this backup software, what does it do?

On 8/20/18, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,

Yes, Syncback, or Syncback Pro from http://www.2brightsparks.com

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Ingram
Sent: 16 August 2018 03:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?









Focus 14 - Size of MicroSD cards

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi all,

I have heard the Focus 14 5th Gen braille display can handle MicroSD cards
up to 32gb. Has anyone tried a bigger card? I would of course try it myself,
but I'm more concerned with the longevity of a bigger card. In other words,
if a 64gb card works when I insert it, I may conclude all is fine and add
more files and one day find that all my files have completely vanished the
next time I go to access the MicroSD card. Just curious and thought I'd ask.


Thank you all for your time. :

JR


Re: speaking passwords

 

I have been using Roboform for probably 15 years and I don't recall a password ever magically disappearing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

at least when i can hear what i type i know when i have made a mistake and
backspace to retype the characters before i send them.
and with most sites you only get 3 chances before you are locked out of your
account.
when i got locked out of kiaser site i had to wait a week for them to snale
mail me a tempory password to reset my account.
password managers?
what good are they when they forget the passwords they have stored in them?
this happened several times a month when i was useing lastpass. no thanks. had
to request a account password reset each time this happened.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



People are under the misconception that if you can hear your password as you
type it, you’ll somehow magically be a better typist or make less typos in this
particular field. Yeah. No . . . You’ll at best only hear yourself make a typo
or more likely second guess what you typed.

This really is much ado about nothing. We make typos. Sighted folks make typos.
This won’t be some sort of magic bullet.

And again, folks should be using some sort of password manager anyway.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords





Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper
password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab
and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it
happens.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords







I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters. When typed as pass
words. The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being
an option is this: There are times I find myself in a user name form field.
Rather than in the pass word form field. In fact, I did so today. When I
heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong
form field. Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar
problem. Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they
were. Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?



----- Original Message -----



From: Bill White



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM



Subject: Re: speaking passwords







By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen,
only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo
characters.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to
VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to
be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to
say, "No"

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

write me off list

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Cooper" <craigcooper2013@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS


Thank you for all of the posts. I will download and begin learning
how to use GoldWave.

On 8/17/18, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Phone editor?Don't you mean just a plain old waveform / audio file
editor? Have you tried Gold Wave?


On 8/16/2018 7:13 PM, Craig Cooper wrote:
Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS. As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air. I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so. It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig





Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Craig Cooper
 

Thank you for all of the posts. I will download and begin learning
how to use GoldWave.

On 8/17/18, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Phone editor?Don't you mean just a plain old waveform / audio file
editor? Have you tried Gold Wave?


On 8/16/2018 7:13 PM, Craig Cooper wrote:
Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS. As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air. I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so. It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig





Re: speaking passwords

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

In my experience, I can usually tell when I have incorrectly entered my password, so I simply select all, delete, and type the password once again. I don't have to leave the edit field at all so its all incredibly easy to fix typing errors in a password field.

As for password managers, there's several of them, so LastPass isn't your only option. I really like KeePass and have been using it for about 8 years problem-free. KeePass has never failed me.

Most of the time, its user error or the user's lack of experience with a software product which can explain problems with an application.

HTH

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

at least when i can hear what i type i know when i have made a mistake and backspace to retype the characters before i send them.
and with most sites you only get 3 chances before you are locked out of your account.
when i got locked out of kiaser site i had to wait a week for them to snale mail me a tempory password to reset my account.
password managers?
what good are they when they forget the passwords they have stored in them?
this happened several times a month when i was useing lastpass. no thanks. had to request a account password reset each time this happened.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



People are under the misconception that if you can hear your password as you
type it, you’ll somehow magically be a better typist or make less typos in this
particular field. Yeah. No . . . You’ll at best only hear yourself make a typo
or more likely second guess what you typed.

This really is much ado about nothing. We make typos. Sighted folks make typos.
This won’t be some sort of magic bullet.

And again, folks should be using some sort of password manager anyway.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords





Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper
password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab
and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it
happens.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords







I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters. When typed as pass
words. The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being
an option is this: There are times I find myself in a user name form field.
Rather than in the pass word form field. In fact, I did so today. When I
heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong
form field. Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar
problem. Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they
were. Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?



----- Original Message -----



From: Bill White



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM



Subject: Re: speaking passwords







By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen,
only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo
characters.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to
VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to
be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to
say, "No"

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

Cristóbal
 

Yeah well... Don't know what to tell you. Can't recall the last time if at all I've had an issue with 1Password forgetting a password. Not saying it hasn’t' happened or that it's possible, but considering the sheer number of times I log into God knows how many sites and services a day be it on either one of my computers or iPhone, if there's a random hiccup every so often, then I can't say it would be enough to get my undies all in a bunch. And if it's that much of an issue, then maybe consider switching products. Not the method per say. Otherwise, good luck on not getting hacked or a service's user info compromised or losing your list of saved passwords etc. Sure, there's always going to be an exception to the rule or random outlier scenario, but enough to change a fundamental security function/behavior? I'm not holding my breath.
Funny that. I don't even know my Kaiser PW. Why? Because I use a password manager. I find it more surprising that a major service like that still uses snail mail for a password reset type of deal. I mean, who is still doing that? And being locked out of your online account isnt' the same as being locked out of your account/info.
Anyway . . . all this really is like drowning in a glass of water.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

at least when i can hear what i type i know when i have made a mistake and backspace to retype the characters before i send them.
and with most sites you only get 3 chances before you are locked out of your account.
when i got locked out of kiaser site i had to wait a week for them to snale mail me a tempory password to reset my account.
password managers?
what good are they when they forget the passwords they have stored in them?
this happened several times a month when i was useing lastpass. no thanks. had to request a account password reset each time this happened.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



People are under the misconception that if you can hear your password as you
type it, you’ll somehow magically be a better typist or make less typos in this
particular field. Yeah. No . . . You’ll at best only hear yourself make a typo
or more likely second guess what you typed.

This really is much ado about nothing. We make typos. Sighted folks make typos.
This won’t be some sort of magic bullet.

And again, folks should be using some sort of password manager anyway.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords





Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper
password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab
and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it
happens.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords







I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters. When typed as pass
words. The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being
an option is this: There are times I find myself in a user name form field.
Rather than in the pass word form field. In fact, I did so today. When I
heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong
form field. Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar
problem. Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they
were. Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?



----- Original Message -----



From: Bill White



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM



Subject: Re: speaking passwords







By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen,
only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo
characters.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to
VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to
be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to
say, "No"

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

netbat66
 

at least when i can hear what i type i know when i have made a mistake and backspace to retype the characters before i send them.
and with most sites you only get 3 chances before you are locked out of your account.
when i got locked out of kiaser site i had to wait a week for them to snale mail me a tempory password to reset my account.
password managers?
what good are they when they forget the passwords they have stored in them?
this happened several times a month when i was useing lastpass. no thanks. had to request a account password reset each time this happened.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



People are under the misconception that if you can hear your password as you type it, you’ll somehow magically be a better typist or make less typos in this particular field. Yeah. No . . . You’ll at best only hear yourself make a typo or more likely second guess what you typed.

This really is much ado about nothing. We make typos. Sighted folks make typos. This won’t be some sort of magic bullet.

And again, folks should be using some sort of password manager anyway.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords





Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it happens.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords







I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters. When typed as pass words. The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being an option is this: There are times I find myself in a user name form field. Rather than in the pass word form field. In fact, I did so today. When I heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong form field. Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar problem. Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they were. Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?



----- Original Message -----



From: Bill White



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM



Subject: Re: speaking passwords







By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords



On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not. And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on. That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No"

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

Cristóbal
 

People are under the misconception that if you can hear your password as you type it, you’ll somehow magically be a better typist or make less typos in this particular field. Yeah. No . . . You’ll at best only hear yourself make a typo or more likely second guess what you typed.

This really is much ado about nothing. We make typos. Sighted folks make typos. This won’t be some sort of magic bullet.

And again, folks should be using some sort of password manager anyway.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it happens.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters.  When typed as pass words.  The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being an option is this:  There are times I find myself in a user name form field.  Rather than in the pass word form field.  In fact, I did so today.  When I heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong form field.  Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar problem.  Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they were.  Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not.   And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on.  That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No"
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: speaking passwords

Steve
 

Unfortunately, I have had happen several times, when I am in the proper password field where the password is being spoken as I type and I have to tab and shift to correct that, probably a focus issue, but I don’t like it when it happens.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

I was unaware other screen readers echoed the characters.  When typed as pass words.  The question I have for those who advocate the pass word key echo being an option is this:  There are times I find myself in a user name form field.  Rather than in the pass word form field.  In fact, I did so today.  When I heard the beginning of my pass word, I immediately realized I was in the wrong form field.  Wouldn't those advocating pass words being echoed have a similar problem.  Should their request not be honored by the web site on which they were.  Due to their not understanding they were using the incorrect form field?

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords

 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:08 PM, Bill White wrote:

The security argument is spurious.

No, it's not.   And just for the record I have no direct or indirect ties to VFO.

If something like this exists it is 100% certain, at one point or another, to be accidentally turned on.  That alone is reason enough on security grounds to say, "No"
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

Larry Marcotte
 

I had a varying volume problem a few times ago. It was the loose connection to the wolver speaker.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 4:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

 

Have you tried running a repair on jaws? If not and if that doesn’t help contact VFO. They might be able to help.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

 

I am running the same software and have been haing the same problem for the
last couple of days.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.

is audio ducking disabled?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jim Rawls [mailto:jazzpiano@...]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 18, 2018 10:40 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: my computer keeps changing volumes.

Hi all, is this a jaws issue? My volume on my computer will go up slightly
and then go down below what I have it set for. I am running windows ten and
jaws 2018. Jim













Re: Focus 14 - Grade 2 braille

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Jeremy, have you called Tech Support at VFO? That would be my suggestion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Focus 14 - Grade 2 braille

Hi Les,

Yes, I can modify output in the manner you described when using JAWS, but
I'd like to modify the braille output of the internal menus of the Focus 14.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 3:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Focus 14 - Grade 2 braille

Hi Jeremy,

I think you would do this through the Jaws Setting screen on your PC, at
least that's how I do it. There are braille options, and you should be able
to change it there.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Focus 14 - Grade 2 braille

Hi all,

For those of you that own a Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, how can one
modify the output of the main settings menus so they show in grade 2
braille?

As is, when ai navigate through the settings such as clock, connections,
repeat, calendar, etc., they are listed in grade 1 braille. I'd like to
change the braille output to grade 2 or preferably UEB.

Thanks,

JR