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moderated Re: Parler

Cristóbal
 

Funny. Devin Nunes was carrying on about this great injustice of silencing on … a popular national conservative talk show this morning.

Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound kind of specious. As if Trump and any of his toadies would be denied airtime or a microphone if they wanted to give a press conference right now. The president’s got an entire room in the White House for this very purpose.

Also, given the bent of folks who hang out on 8chan, Gab and Parler… don’t be surprised or hurt if screen reader accessibility isn’t exactly on their things to do or even care about.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

A private monopoly.  Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.

Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web Services to stifle free speech.  it started with flagging certain tweets and posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to shutting down entire platforms.

The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.  Technically, that is correct, but what is happening amounts to the same thing.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

 

Shalom,

 

 

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  I hear you, but the problem is some groups can yell “fire” and nobody moves and other groups yell “fire” and shut down occurs.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Dan Longmore
 

I agree with you.  A dangerous slide begins when we start turning off debate.  Just think how many different opinions there are about JAWS on this list.  Hey, I might have to ban myself as some days I just can’t tolerate JAWS.  😊

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

yes the problem is the stuff that's being censored and said to be this type of speech isn't always so it's a it's just a way to censor opinions. and you and I aren't the ones to get to decide what is free-speech and what isn't.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated installing JGauge progress monitoring scripts

Mario
 

Message body
I'm wanting to install these scripts, but am concerned that doing so will wipe out or mess up the myextensions script I already have which has a few scripts that I created and a couple from other sources.
do these scripts simply uncompress into a folder, at which I can integrate them mhyself into the myextensions script, or what do they exactly do. anyone know?


I'm wanting to install these scripts, but am concerned that doing so will wipe out or mess up the myextensions script I already have which has a few scripts that I created and a couple from other sources.
do these scripts simply uncompress into a folder, at which I can integrate them mhyself into the myextensions script, or what do they exactly do. anyone know?


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

I see a political discussion I don't see any rants. Yes you're right this isn't the form for it but please at least use the correct terminology and not the media inspired crap.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Don Walls <donwalls@...> wrote:


Enough already!  This list is to deal with questions about JAWS, not political or other rants.
 
Don
 
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 
so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Adrian Spratt
 

And like you, Don, I can’t believe this thread has been spooling out for so long.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

I couldn’t have said it better, Adrian.  Thanks!

 

Don

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: MeWe

Randy Barnett
 



Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler and of course the first thing that happens is it gets labeled violent hate side and gets pulled! you're not gonna have free speech in this country it's already getting to wear certain part of the population is not allowed to have an opinion. no matter what you think of the president the fact that companies can ban the presidential office from having their voice heard it is crazy!.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore
billtessore@...


On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

 

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

 

Thanks.

 

Marilyn

 


moderated Re: Parler

Don Walls
 

I couldn’t have said it better, Adrian.  Thanks!
 
Don
 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


I feel that the long term effects of stifling free speech are much more dangerous than speech itself. Also, any such restrictions should be even handed.  There are many people and entities that post content that contains violence, including the leaders of iran, China, and influencers in Iraq, Syria, etc. and their posts are not being sensored, and their accounts are not being deleted.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Adrian Spratt
 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: favorite email client on windows?

Randy Barnett
 

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Pastor Gilbert Pries <gilp@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Microsoft Outlook for me.

Pastor Gilbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups. thunderbird for me also. And mines not slow at all and Microsoft has some of the most invasive privacy issues out there maybe shy and Google. Or Facebook. io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows?


On 1/10/21 9:23 AM, Curt Taubert wrote:
I use Thunderbird.
I use Thunderbird under Linux. I can't comment on its accessibility with Windows/JAWS, but it does seem to have a good reputation there also.
Under Windows, it's Microsoft Outlook for me. If I weren't using Microsoft OneDrive and Microsoft Office, as I currently do for work-related reasons, I probably wouldn't use Windows at all.


moderated Re: Parler

Don Walls
 

Enough already!  This list is to deal with questions about JAWS, not political or other rants.
 
Don
 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 
so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

it doesn't matter if it's a government or a couple of huge corporations. if they're able to stop you from getting your ideas out to people it is stopping free speech. Senator Holly's book was dropped by the publisher because he said the wrong things according to those in charge. when the only way to get ideas out in this modern world is via publishers Facebook YouTube Twitter and apparently Amazon those who control the servers. Then they are able to stifle free speech. It doesn't have to be a government to stifle free speech and free speech should be protected even from corporations.I'm platforms like YouTube Twitter One platforms like YouTube Twitter Facebook start deciding what can be and not be published on their pages they are a publisher and the rules for publishers are totally different from the rules for web platforms. They have to abide by those rules. As corporations now pretty much control all speech in this country.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


A private monopoly.  Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web Services to stifle free speech.  it started with flagging certain tweets and posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to shutting down entire platforms.
The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.  Technically, that is correct, but what is happening amounts to the same thing.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Glenn / Lenny
 


Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Parler Fw: [Request received]

Andy
 


This is what i received from Parler Support.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Parler
Cc: Support
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:26 PM
Subject: [Request received]

Your request (320687) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.

To add additional comments, reply to this email.

This email is a service from Parler. Delivered by Zendesk
[DO3PGD-6MYP]


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


i wrote to their support and expressed my hope that the service would return, and that the developer would strive to make it accessible to all interested users, including those with disabilities.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

Sorry I meant they don't have an audio CAPTCHA.

On 1/10/2021 12:01 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

Hi, I've never been able to sign up for Parler. If they do have an Audio CAPTCHA, that option has never come up for me, ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


I explored further and found that even though the site comes up, it is not functional. I would imagine that your inquiries to support are not reaching them.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

Well I tried contacting support over this and got no response.

On 1/9/2021 11:14 PM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn

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