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Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW
David Griffith
The problem was that if you loaded Windows Mail whilst Jaws was running Mail would close unexpectedly after the review of just one or two messages in the inbox. There would be no error message – Mail would simply disappear. This was only a problem if Jaws was running. Mail would worked as expected perfectly with either Narrator or NVDA. For me this problem was not machine specific as it was occurring on both my laptop and desktop machines. However Support had recognised the issue last week and said that they were escalating it to the software team. Whatever the fix was it has been delivered at lightning speed for once. David G.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: 10 January 2021 22:35 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW
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Re: Parlor?
Cristóbal
As I've known people I know get lost down those rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and imagined grievances, I actually have poked around 8chan and before that, 4chan and all these Gab and now Parler Twitter alternatives to try to understand the why and how. These corners of the Internet attract a certain type of unhealthy and delusional discourse. I wouldn't dare join Parler because I’m rooted in reality and not a QAnon or stop the steel crazy, but even that aside, that platform has some wild privacy terms. Might as well kiss your identity and or privacy goodbye.
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There's some really vile stuff on those places. To think that they're going to care about making their sites and apps more accessible for a disabled user is laughable and naïve in the extreme. Like come on man. Mass shootings have been inspired and coordinated on these sites. Gab is basically neo Nazi Twitter. Parler's filling up with Q refugees. Like they're going to care about making captcias and buttons accessible. Again, folks attracted to those shadowy corners of the net are doing everyone else a favor by telling on themselves. Cristóbal
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parlor? Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it? I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship. On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote: I think the original point to this question was in part with
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Re: Parlor?
Randy Barnett
Sorry that was supposed to be condemning not condoning...
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On 1/10/2021 8:25 PM, Randy Barnett via groups.io wrote:
Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?
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Re: Parlor?
Randy Barnett
Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?
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I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship.
On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
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Re: Parlor?
Jim Hunt
Hi all, Parler is another social media platform. Perhaps the
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discussion about Parler can turn toward the usability/accessibility (or any lack thereof) of Parler with JAWS. I haven't and probably won't use Parler though so I don't have any opinions of its use with JAWS. Just putting in my two or more cents. Cheers, Jim
On 1/10/21, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
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Re: Parler
clarence carter
When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still free speech?
The expression of opinions is a delicate issue. We seem to have become a society who mixes opinion with political agendas.
We all know what people say about opinions.
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Re: favorite email client on windows?
Dan Miner
I was they big thunderbird user but the accessibility has been slowly eroding and all the annoying bugs on large mail folders, it just drove me away. Searching was a huge hassle as you had to get past that inaccessible "pretty summary" display they moved to some time ago.
So, I'm stuck using Outlook until I find a reasonable alternative. Dan
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Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB
Dan Miner
I have indeed finally found a mini USB port on the left side just under the insertions guide. JAWS is now keeping it as my default but it seems to be failing to load the braille driver.
The display itself shows on power-up: pm display 40 - k70
USB device info from device manager. LibUSB-1.0: FreedomScientific [PAC Mate] Device type: libusb (WinUSB) devices Manufacturer: libusb 1.0 Device status multi line This device is working properly.
I found a few mentions that the Focus USB driver would work which is what I have installed as a USB driver at the moment.
FocusBlueDriver1.0.2030
Dan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB
Okay, have you looked on the left side of the display for a mini usb port?
When you plug the display to the Pacmate what version of the display is shown?
These are questions Freedom Scientific Support will ask so you should check these things out.
This is just a suggestion to figure out the problem.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
They are still clipped together. I’ve been searching the BX manual and didn’t see any option to run the display without the PDA part. A quick examination of the display only section doesn’t suggest it would support running completely stand-alone as I see no USB type A or mini B port. The display is working with the PDA part which is running 6.2 of the environment but I haven’t figured out how to update it since I don’t have any way of connecting CF cards to my system to prepare one for an upgrade path.
I figured they would flatly deny support since it is so old. This came from an era of proprietary USB protocols so I am expecting to need some sort of USB driver.
I did manage to find it in the Device Manager in control panel. It’s listed under Other Devices under its name but doesn’t know much about it and says there is no driver for it.
“Device status: The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28)”
Dan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Have you separated the display from the note taker? My guess is the display is too old to be supported, but you may need to call FS on Monday.
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
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Re: Parler Fw: [Request received]
Mich Verrier
Hi andy and all the below sounds like a standerd e mail reply please let us know when you get a reply that seems to be from a person or even better if these places have a axishuel phone uber where you can talk to a person. I wuld be interested in joining this but would lik to know that the captcha and other accessibillidies are worked out first. From Mich.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: January 10, 2021 3:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Parler Fw: [Request received]
This is what i received from Parler Support.
----- Original Message ----- From: Parler To: Andy Baracco Cc: Support Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:26 PM Subject: [Request received]
Your request (320687) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff. To add additional comments, reply to this email. This email is a service from Parler. Delivered by Zendesk [DO3PGD-6MYP]
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Re: favorite email client on windows?
Jerry Berrier
Me too.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows? Microsoft Outlook for me. Pastor Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows? On 1/10/21 9:23 AM, Curt Taubert wrote: I use Thunderbird.I use Thunderbird under Linux. I can't comment on its accessibility with Windows/JAWS, but it does seem to have a good reputation there also. Under Windows, it's Microsoft Outlook for me. If I weren't using Microsoft OneDrive and Microsoft Office, as I currently do for work-related reasons, I probably wouldn't use Windows at all.
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Re: Parler
Maria Reyes
Parler isn't accessible on iOS. you will need sighted help when you get to the captcha and the only buttons in the app that are accessible is the compose button
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On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:
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Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard
Russell Solowoniuk
Hi Mark, Thanks for your response, and for the links. I’ll read over that material, but it looks a little over my head. I managed to find a solution. The discussion board seems to work well with jaws using Firefox instead of the chrome browser. So that’s what we’ll have to do. Thanks again, Russell
On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
David Diamond
Respectfully submitted. To what are you referring too? There is no message below yours to indicate what you are objecting too.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: January 10, 2021 5:27 PM Subject: And what does this have to do with JFW? Respectfully submitted. pat Byrne
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Re: Parlor?
Cristóbal
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
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challenges. Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on accommodating the disabled contingent You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess. Cristóbal
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM To: Recipient list suppressed: Subject: Parlor? I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands. What has Parlor to do with JFW? Pat Byrne
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Parlor?
Pat Byrne
I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW? Pat Byrne
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And what does this have to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne
Respectfully submitted.
pat Byrne
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Re: Parler
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:40 PM, James English wrote:
The consequences of speech must be separated out entirely- Or, in the intended way. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Self-expression has never, and should never, come without the possibility of consequences - whether wildly positive or negative. It is simply not possible to divorce what one says from the reactions of one's listeners, and those listeners may be individuals or entities. It's also not reasonable to "give a pass" to anything and everything in the name of free speech. That's not what freedom of speech is ever been. While I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it sounds great, in theory, it's never been done in practice. What you (the generic you) say and/or do has natural consequences. I am only worried about what the government can or cannot control in terms of speech, and we are diametrically opposed in our opinions about the prohibition of speech which has direct negative impacts on public safety ("fire!!" in a crowded theater). It's indefensible, serves no political purpose, and should be strictly prohibited. My right not to be trampled, as well as that of all the other theater patrons, trumps anyone's right to yell fire because they feel like it. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: Parler
Andy
In the beginning, these platforms were supposedly like the phone company. Basically just vehicles for self expression, but now indeed they are just as much publishers as newspapers, magazines, and radio and TV networks and stations.
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From: "James English" <james13english@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Parler Hello, The thing that really gets to me is that section 230 of the communications decency act protects these companies from things like defamation lawsuits caused by things that their users put on the platform as these platforms are not publishers, however when it comes to the political wars they decide to fight they are perfectly able to act like publishers. Authority without responsibility is not a healthy mix. - James On 1/10/21, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote: The president has been banned from Twitter YouTube Facebook. What kind of
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Re: Parler
Andy
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What's interesting is that conservative posts to
Youtube discussing the 2020 elections have been taken down and banned, but
videos about calls made by Trump to state election officials are still being
posted, and of course, they can't be responded to.
One thing I have always wondered is who exactly is
always recording these calls and leaking them to the Internet?
Andy
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Re: Parler
Andy
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In a way, it's our fault, letting these big tech
companies quietly intrude into our lives, creating a kind of addiction. How many
of us actually read the terms of service agreements before we click that agree
button? I must admit that I am guilty of that myself. I know folks
who are so addicted to Facebook and Twitter that they take their phones to bed
with them at night because they don't want to miss that post or tweet that may
drop at 4 AM.
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