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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

mike mcglashon
 

Steve:
Yes that is exactly the case,
I'm going to set the color to something that I want the text to be and when the job is on that color I should then be able to assign it to Read in that voice just as if I were to get a bowl the selection in this case I can change the color to anything so we know what we can tell it to be if I wanted to be rather whatever

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On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady@...> wrote:

Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks.  Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Carol Smith
 

Hi,

As some on this list have been advocating the use of NVDA as a supplement for Jaws and Window-Eyes, and the default startup key for NVDA is control-alt-n, my question would be whether there is a way to change the hot key for either of these two tasks.  Thank you for any suggestions.

Carol


On 9/26/2017 11:06 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:

1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: Desktop 1

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
I’ve noticed this for at least the last year or so if I’m not mistaken.  I just thought it a function of Windows 10’s virtual desktop capability and learned to ignore it (smile).
Robin
 
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1
 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 

Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Steve Griffiths
 


1. One way to read columns is to put the document into draft mode - it used to be called normal mode and the shortcut is Alt + Ctrl + N. That puts the columns under each other and also gets rid of images and other visual stuff.

 

If you want, when you've finished you can use Alt + Ctrl + P to put it back into print mode, which shows the documents as it will print out, with the columns side by side.

 

2. I'm not very clued up on speech and sound schemes, but I'm not sure you can do what you what very easily. The reason is that attributes like bold and italic are either on or off, so it's easy for JAWS to read with one voice when they're on, and another when they're off. But with colours, you can have any number of them, so how would JAWS know which voice to use for a given colour? I think this is why JAWS can read bold text in one voice and italic text in another, but if you have text which is bold and italic, it just announces the start of it, as it does for a colour.

 

I suppose, if you know the exact colours that will appear in your documents, you might be able to set up voices for those colours. Is that the case?

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 25 September 2017 13:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


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Re: Desktop 1

Bill White
 

Hi, Steve. I don’t believe the number one attached to the primary desktop is because JAWS thinks the primary desktop is a tree view. Try this experiment. You can create virtual desktops with Windows 10.

 

While on your primary desktop, Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

JAWS will say:

Running Applications list box.

Now, Tab once

JAWS will say,

New Desktop button.

Press ENTER.

Now, when you go to your desktop and press JAWS key plus T,

JAWS will say,

Desktop2. This is because you now have your primary desktop plus one virtual desktop.

 

To get back to your Primary Desktop or Desktop1,

Tab to the Task View button and press ENTER.

Now, as you Tab around, you will see that you have Desktop1 and Desktop2. If you press ENTER on Desktop1, you will be back on your primary desktop which is Desktop1.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Desktop 1

 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 

Excel workbooks 2016.

Jonas Voll
 

Hey guys!

I am stuck on a problem in Excel 2016; I have a workbook with two sheets.

Sheet 1 is Master, & Sheet 2 is Qa check & it is a hidden sheet sheet 1 Master sheet has some micros & with a button to create a copy of sheet 2 Qa check.

In sheet 2 Qa check, I have added the Title to make it read & it reads just fine.

Now this is the problem, with sheet 1 Master in focus I use the keyboard shortcut that is assigned to the button that creates a copy of sheet 2 Qa check!

It creates the copy but Jaws is not reading the Titles of columns in the copy of sheet QA check!

FYI!

And no I cannot share the file due to the micros in the sheet!

 

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Re: Desktop 1

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Richard,

 

I believe this is JAWS interpreting a treeview with numbers.  If you notice, you go to any treeview, like device manager, and expand it, and you hear 1.  The next time you expand it, you hear 2, etc.

 

I believe JAWS thinks erroneously that the desktop is a treeview.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 26 September 2017 15:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desktop 1

 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 

Desktop 1

Richard Turner
 

Hi,

I have never pressed control+n on my desktop, yet, in the last couple of days, my Win 10 creator edition laptop is saying desktop 1.

Perhaps Microsoft did an update that changed this?  I certainly have never messed with it.

 

I am fairly sure this happened in the last week anyway.  I am not using my home computer nearly as much as I used to.

 

Richard

 

Re: returning to normal desktop

Laura Richardson
 

When I turn the computer on the only program running is Jaws.  When I press windows + d to go to the desktop and press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop one”.  Whether I open another program or not, when I press alt + tab Jaws does not announce “desktop one” or “desktop”.

 

If I press control + N and then press insert + T Jaws will say “desktop”.  When I press alt + tab Jaws will announce “desktop.  If I press alt + F4 this desktop will go away and Jaws will not announce “desktop” when I press alt + tab.

 

Often times when I press windows + D and then press insert + T Jaws will say “documents” despite the fact that I’m on the desktop.

 

In order for me to shut down the computer I have noticed I have to be on “desktop one”.  I have also noticed that some icons that are on desktop are not on desktop one.  In addition, most of the time when I press windows + M nothing happens …… only some of the time that will take me to the desktop.  I usually have to press windows + D to get to the desktop.

 

I’m using Windows 10 and Jaws 18 …… I did not have these issues with Windows 7 and Jaws 16.

 

Laura

 

  

  

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Laura. Before navigating to your desktop, did you close other windows? CONTROL plus N should take you to your master desktop?

 

Also, when you are on the desktop, and you press JAWS key plus T does it say desktop1?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I think he was talking about the primary desktop when he said "normal desktop"

On 9/25/2017 10:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

OK, fair enough, but who came up with the subject where it says “normal desktop” in, I don’t think it’s a normal desktop at all.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, fair enough, but who came up with the subject where it says “normal desktop” in, I don’t think it’s a normal desktop at all.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I agree with you. Just wanted to make it clear that ctrl + N doesnt take you too the main desktop.
Although I would like to know what the official use is for this key combo. :)
On 9/25/2017 9:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Maybe somebody can speak to this with complete authority, but as far as I can tell whatever Control+N does is different from creating a new desktop. It seems to open some sort of default desktop folder which has all the stuff in it you can turn on and off for your normal desktop, but I would not call it a desktop like Desktop 1 or any other virtual desktops you create when you press Windows+Control+D and which are exact copies of your Desktop 1 except that they have no open applications or folders. The fact that this Control+N desktop has menus at the top and an addressbar to me is indication enough that it’s actually the folder for a desktop and not the other kind of desktop.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard blank until you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Oh, and you can have different shortcuts on different desktops too. More of a power user or work kind of thing. :)
On 9/25/2017 8:08 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

Why does one wish to create multiple desktops, please?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 25, 2017 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, You want to use alt +F4 to close any desktop that isnt your main desktop. Dont use ctrl + N it will just open more desktops. Once you close all but the main desktop you shouldnt get any more unless you create them.
On 9/25/2017 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Bill and others,

 

nI didn’t know about this Control+N keystroke, but to me that is not really the desktop I want because it has in my case 28 items on it including things like Library, This PC, Network, Taskbar Icons and so on, my Desktop 1 has only 21 things on it and if I open the “Desktop” with Control+N and then go into another application and press Windows+M or Windows+D I end up back on Desktop 1, not on Desktop. Also, this main desktop or whatever one should call it has menus at the top and pressing F4 takes you into the addressbar and if I press Alt+F4 it closes whereas if I press Alt+F4 from my Desktop 1 which to me is the real desktop I am asked if I want to shutdown, restart and so on. This is the behaviour I am used to from Windows 7, also if you sort the icons by name on Desktop 1 then just as in Windows 7 you have your user folder first (if you enabled that), then Recycle Bin and only after that you have applications and other shortcuts. The Control+N desktop has everything in some weird order and you can set it to display large, medium or small icons or details or list just as you can for any folder in Windows Explorer. Just now I set it to details which usually orders things alphabetically, but here it does that but in groups, at first I had Dropbox, Onedrive for Business and Onedrive Personal, then I had my user folder, Sieghard Weitzel, followed by This PC, Network, Reycle Bin and finally I had all other applications like iTunes, Jaws 18, Jaws 2018 etc.

Anyways, nice to know this exists, but I don’t find it very useful and I couldn’t care less if Jaws Key+T says “Desktop” or “Desktop 1”, it’s Desktop 1 I want so what does it matter.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Some people have a lot of windows open at once and this is a way to split them up so your not tabbing through 10 windows all the time. If you  have several windows open for homework and a couple for music social media then a couple more for some business your doing you can split them up into desktops. One for social media and one for homework and one for business.
I probly will never use them but I can see how someone might want too. :)
On 9/25/2017 8:08 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

Why does one wish to create multiple desktops, please?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 25, 2017 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, You want to use alt +F4 to close any desktop that isnt your main desktop. Dont use ctrl + N it will just open more desktops. Once you close all but the main desktop you shouldnt get any more unless you create them.
On 9/25/2017 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Bill and others,

 

nI didn’t know about this Control+N keystroke, but to me that is not really the desktop I want because it has in my case 28 items on it including things like Library, This PC, Network, Taskbar Icons and so on, my Desktop 1 has only 21 things on it and if I open the “Desktop” with Control+N and then go into another application and press Windows+M or Windows+D I end up back on Desktop 1, not on Desktop. Also, this main desktop or whatever one should call it has menus at the top and pressing F4 takes you into the addressbar and if I press Alt+F4 it closes whereas if I press Alt+F4 from my Desktop 1 which to me is the real desktop I am asked if I want to shutdown, restart and so on. This is the behaviour I am used to from Windows 7, also if you sort the icons by name on Desktop 1 then just as in Windows 7 you have your user folder first (if you enabled that), then Recycle Bin and only after that you have applications and other shortcuts. The Control+N desktop has everything in some weird order and you can set it to display large, medium or small icons or details or list just as you can for any folder in Windows Explorer. Just now I set it to details which usually orders things alphabetically, but here it does that but in groups, at first I had Dropbox, Onedrive for Business and Onedrive Personal, then I had my user folder, Sieghard Weitzel, followed by This PC, Network, Reycle Bin and finally I had all other applications like iTunes, Jaws 18, Jaws 2018 etc.

Anyways, nice to know this exists, but I don’t find it very useful and I couldn’t care less if Jaws Key+T says “Desktop” or “Desktop 1”, it’s Desktop 1 I want so what does it matter.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Why does one wish to create multiple desktops, please?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 25, 2017 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, You want to use alt +F4 to close any desktop that isnt your main desktop. Dont use ctrl + N it will just open more desktops. Once you close all but the main desktop you shouldnt get any more unless you create them.
On 9/25/2017 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Bill and others,

 

nI didn’t know about this Control+N keystroke, but to me that is not really the desktop I want because it has in my case 28 items on it including things like Library, This PC, Network, Taskbar Icons and so on, my Desktop 1 has only 21 things on it and if I open the “Desktop” with Control+N and then go into another application and press Windows+M or Windows+D I end up back on Desktop 1, not on Desktop. Also, this main desktop or whatever one should call it has menus at the top and pressing F4 takes you into the addressbar and if I press Alt+F4 it closes whereas if I press Alt+F4 from my Desktop 1 which to me is the real desktop I am asked if I want to shutdown, restart and so on. This is the behaviour I am used to from Windows 7, also if you sort the icons by name on Desktop 1 then just as in Windows 7 you have your user folder first (if you enabled that), then Recycle Bin and only after that you have applications and other shortcuts. The Control+N desktop has everything in some weird order and you can set it to display large, medium or small icons or details or list just as you can for any folder in Windows Explorer. Just now I set it to details which usually orders things alphabetically, but here it does that but in groups, at first I had Dropbox, Onedrive for Business and Onedrive Personal, then I had my user folder, Sieghard Weitzel, followed by This PC, Network, Reycle Bin and finally I had all other applications like iTunes, Jaws 18, Jaws 2018 etc.

Anyways, nice to know this exists, but I don’t find it very useful and I couldn’t care less if Jaws Key+T says “Desktop” or “Desktop 1”, it’s Desktop 1 I want so what does it matter.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Hi, You want to use alt +F4 to close any desktop that isnt your main desktop. Dont use ctrl + N it will just open more desktops. Once you close all but the main desktop you shouldnt get any more unless you create them.
On 9/25/2017 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Bill and others,

 

nI didn’t know about this Control+N keystroke, but to me that is not really the desktop I want because it has in my case 28 items on it including things like Library, This PC, Network, Taskbar Icons and so on, my Desktop 1 has only 21 things on it and if I open the “Desktop” with Control+N and then go into another application and press Windows+M or Windows+D I end up back on Desktop 1, not on Desktop. Also, this main desktop or whatever one should call it has menus at the top and pressing F4 takes you into the addressbar and if I press Alt+F4 it closes whereas if I press Alt+F4 from my Desktop 1 which to me is the real desktop I am asked if I want to shutdown, restart and so on. This is the behaviour I am used to from Windows 7, also if you sort the icons by name on Desktop 1 then just as in Windows 7 you have your user folder first (if you enabled that), then Recycle Bin and only after that you have applications and other shortcuts. The Control+N desktop has everything in some weird order and you can set it to display large, medium or small icons or details or list just as you can for any folder in Windows Explorer. Just now I set it to details which usually orders things alphabetically, but here it does that but in groups, at first I had Dropbox, Onedrive for Business and Onedrive Personal, then I had my user folder, Sieghard Weitzel, followed by This PC, Network, Reycle Bin and finally I had all other applications like iTunes, Jaws 18, Jaws 2018 etc.

Anyways, nice to know this exists, but I don’t find it very useful and I couldn’t care less if Jaws Key+T says “Desktop” or “Desktop 1”, it’s Desktop 1 I want so what does it matter.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

OK, I get that. :) Its the statement that "ctrl + N takes you to the master desktop" that I was trying to address.
It doesnt take you to the master  desktop it creates a new one and I think that is what is messing some people up.
And alt + F4 will close those desktops if all apps are minimized.
The master desktop is the one that when alt + F4  is pressed the shutdown window appears.
Hope this helps someone. :)On 9/25/2017 6:45 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526


-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi Bill and others,

 

nI didn’t know about this Control+N keystroke, but to me that is not really the desktop I want because it has in my case 28 items on it including things like Library, This PC, Network, Taskbar Icons and so on, my Desktop 1 has only 21 things on it and if I open the “Desktop” with Control+N and then go into another application and press Windows+M or Windows+D I end up back on Desktop 1, not on Desktop. Also, this main desktop or whatever one should call it has menus at the top and pressing F4 takes you into the addressbar and if I press Alt+F4 it closes whereas if I press Alt+F4 from my Desktop 1 which to me is the real desktop I am asked if I want to shutdown, restart and so on. This is the behaviour I am used to from Windows 7, also if you sort the icons by name on Desktop 1 then just as in Windows 7 you have your user folder first (if you enabled that), then Recycle Bin and only after that you have applications and other shortcuts. The Control+N desktop has everything in some weird order and you can set it to display large, medium or small icons or details or list just as you can for any folder in Windows Explorer. Just now I set it to details which usually orders things alphabetically, but here it does that but in groups, at first I had Dropbox, Onedrive for Business and Onedrive Personal, then I had my user folder, Sieghard Weitzel, followed by This PC, Network, Reycle Bin and finally I had all other applications like iTunes, Jaws 18, Jaws 2018 etc.

Anyways, nice to know this exists, but I don’t find it very useful and I couldn’t care less if Jaws Key+T says “Desktop” or “Desktop 1”, it’s Desktop 1 I want so what does it matter.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526

Re: returning to normal desktop

Bill White
 

Hi, Randy. Yes, CONTROL plus N does make a new desktop. However it may not be an exact replica of Desktop1. To test this, go to your regular desktop, then press JAWS key plus the number three on the number pad, not the numbers row below the function keys. This should give you the number of items on desktop1. Then create your new desktop with CONTROL plus N. Now repeat the JAWS key plus three command again. The number of items may differ, if you originally deleted items from the desktop which you saw when Windows10 was installed.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, I did some testing and as you might intuit from useing windows hot keys ctrl + N makes a new desktop. So for the sake of stopping confusion here is how you can test it for yourself:

close all apps.
press ctrl + n 4 times.
now alt tab and see what you hear.
Now alt + F4 everytime you hear "desktop" when alt tabbing. Notice you arent getting the shutdown window...
After the desktops have all been closed you will finally get the shutdown window you are used to

On 9/25/2017 4:50 PM, Kevin Hourigan wrote:

I have not created another desk top either, but with the one I use Windows D works best, I think.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: September 25, 2017 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

I’ve had similar issues with the desktop.  I’ve never created another desktop so I’m wondering how there could be a desktop one, etc.  also, when I pressed control + N to go to the master desktop and then press insert + T Jaws says “documents”.  Any thoughts on these two issues?

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Hi, Marvin. To return to the regular desktop instead of Desktop1 etc,

1. Navigate to the desktop.

2. Press CONTROL plus the letter N.

 

This will return you to the master desktop which has no number associated with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 

 

 

-- 
Sincereley: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
707-502-5575
1897 SE Dr.
Grants Pass, Or. 97526