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Re: Programming Language

 

Hi,

I’d say don’t work on GUI until you have a solid understanding of basic programming concepts such as variables, conditionals, loops and functions, as well as designing increasingly complex programs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

You can find many manuals of Python on google, there are free courses. Also I would like to recommend some learning about Object oriented programming.

And yes, you can type code on word pad.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

If I start with Python, is there a manual out there that I can study? Better yet, can Python be programmed in a text editor like Notepad?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

I am not understanding your question well. I guess that you are asking the following:

What language is able to create accessible programs for visually impaired users as well for sighted?

I am confused because when you are talking about programs, languages and users each part is independent.

You create a program using a language, the operating system runs the program that you created, but the user will access the program that you created, no the language.

All languages could be accessible or not accessible at all. It depends on the way how you created the programs.

If you are just starting, you can start with Python, there are developing inviroments very accessible, or you can use visual studio, that also is very accessible.

Now the accessibility of the programs that you create depends on the way how you created, so it depends on you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

I'd rather make a program that could run on a computer rather than the web. And I'm trying to figure out, which programming language would be accessible to both sighted and visually impaired customers alike?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: Programming Language

Pablo Morales
 

I lost my sight also, and I crossed that bridge that you are crossing now. The time and practice are going to make you understand what the screen reader is saying when it reads a line of code.

I work a lot with C++, but I think that she is looking for a development platform with enough accessibility, specially when she wants to work with combo boxes and controls.

Any way, give time to the time. Your brain will start understanding what you were able to see before.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

I would say that both python and C++ are accessible programming languages - that is, blind programmers can use either. The thing that makes it accessible is the text editor and the screen reading software that you use.

 

However, one thing I want to warn you about regarding Python. The syntax of the language is indentation-dependent. You need to be able to check for proper indentation of each line. This is something that sighted programmers can do at a glance, but I feel it is more tedious for a blind person to do.

 

You can do user interface controls (GUI controls) using either language. Python has some kind of module that you include, and C++ interfaces easily with Qt. I know that the user interface created by C++ and Qt can be made accessible to blind end users. Personally, I've ran into some issues with Python user interfaces, but haven't tried to create one myself, so I don't know whether the interface was not accessible due to programmer error, or some inherent flaw in Python user interfaces.

If I sound like I'm recommending C++, it's probably because that's the language I'm most familiar with. Sometimes, using the development environment that you're most familiar with is the best solution. 

 

I am very low vision due to a progressively worsening eye disorder, and I just want to add one more comment. I've found it very difficult to transition from programming as a sighted person to programming as a blind person. I believe this is because I have learned programming using my eyes, not my ears. Never, in all my years of school and employment, did I ever hear a programming language read out loud to me. Now, as a blind person today, hearing a screen reader read a segment of code is almost nonsensical to me. It's as if the wiring in my brain doesn't exist that would understand spoken code. It's very frustrating. It's like I need to learn programming all over again. I hope you don't run into problems like this. I think, if you learn from the start to program as a blind person, you should not have this kind of issue.

 

I wish you the best of luck with your project.
  -Paul

 

Re: Programming Language

Pablo Morales
 

You can find many manuals of Python on google, there are free courses. Also I would like to recommend some learning about Object oriented programming.

And yes, you can type code on word pad.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

If I start with Python, is there a manual out there that I can study? Better yet, can Python be programmed in a text editor like Notepad?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

I am not understanding your question well. I guess that you are asking the following:

What language is able to create accessible programs for visually impaired users as well for sighted?

I am confused because when you are talking about programs, languages and users each part is independent.

You create a program using a language, the operating system runs the program that you created, but the user will access the program that you created, no the language.

All languages could be accessible or not accessible at all. It depends on the way how you created the programs.

If you are just starting, you can start with Python, there are developing inviroments very accessible, or you can use visual studio, that also is very accessible.

Now the accessibility of the programs that you create depends on the way how you created, so it depends on you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

I'd rather make a program that could run on a computer rather than the web. And I'm trying to figure out, which programming language would be accessible to both sighted and visually impaired customers alike?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

asining key board commands to different keys?

Shannon
 

Hello all,

I am not at all sure how to explain what I want to do but I am going to try.

Jaws has a Key stroke “Insert Num pad 8” Which in the keyboard help says that it “JAWSKey+UpArrow
Says the current line.”

This key stroke in my time collection program reads the job and job type.

 

What I want is exactly what this is doing but, I want to make a different set of keys do this action. I want to keep my fingers off the number pad.

I would prefer something like Ctrl Shift J.

And if possible make this only apply to one program.

Can I do this?
If so I want to do the same thing to the “insert numpad7” JAWSKey+Home
Says the text from the beginning of the line up to the active cursor.

 

Can I mimic the behavior of these key strokes with different keys?

 

Thanks a lot!

Shannon

Re: Programming Language

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

I would say that both python and C++ are accessible programming languages - that is, blind programmers can use either. The thing that makes it accessible is the text editor and the screen reading software that you use.

However, one thing I want to warn you about regarding Python. The syntax of the language is indentation-dependent. You need to be able to check for proper indentation of each line. This is something that sighted programmers can do at a glance, but I feel it is more tedious for a blind person to do.

You can do user interface controls (GUI controls) using either language. Python has some kind of module that you include, and C++ interfaces easily with Qt. I know that the user interface created by C++ and Qt can be made accessible to blind end users. Personally, I've ran into some issues with Python user interfaces, but haven't tried to create one myself, so I don't know whether the interface was not accessible due to programmer error, or some inherent flaw in Python user interfaces.

If I sound like I'm recommending C++, it's probably because that's the language I'm most familiar with. Sometimes, using the development environment that you're most familiar with is the best solution. 

I am very low vision due to a progressively worsening eye disorder, and I just want to add one more comment. I've found it very difficult to transition from programming as a sighted person to programming as a blind person. I believe this is because I have learned programming using my eyes, not my ears. Never, in all my years of school and employment, did I ever hear a programming language read out loud to me. Now, as a blind person today, hearing a screen reader read a segment of code is almost nonsensical to me. It's as if the wiring in my brain doesn't exist that would understand spoken code. It's very frustrating. It's like I need to learn programming all over again. I hope you don't run into problems like this. I think, if you learn from the start to program as a blind person, you should not have this kind of issue.

I wish you the best of luck with your project.
  -Paul

Re: Programming Language

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

If I start with Python, is there a manual out there that I can study? Better yet, can Python be programmed in a text editor like Notepad?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

I am not understanding your question well. I guess that you are asking the following:

What language is able to create accessible programs for visually impaired users as well for sighted?

I am confused because when you are talking about programs, languages and users each part is independent.

You create a program using a language, the operating system runs the program that you created, but the user will access the program that you created, no the language.

All languages could be accessible or not accessible at all. It depends on the way how you created the programs.

If you are just starting, you can start with Python, there are developing inviroments very accessible, or you can use visual studio, that also is very accessible.

Now the accessibility of the programs that you create depends on the way how you created, so it depends on you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

I'd rather make a program that could run on a computer rather than the web. And I'm trying to figure out, which programming language would be accessible to both sighted and visually impaired customers alike?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: alphabetical file list

Mario
 

for Windows 7, press tab when you're on the list of files and press
enter on the name split button. you are returned to the file list which
should now be in reversed order (ascending order). BTW, this reverses
the order if you press enter on the name split button again.


I believe this also applies (works) in Windows 10.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mark Furness [mailto:flintman57@...]
Sent: Thursday, Aug 24, 2017 8:50 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: alphabetical file list

Please excuse me if this is posting again.

But it was not in my sent folder.

My file list was a to z. But now it is z to a.

I can not find how to change it back!

Gone to control panel.


                                                                                ALSo

onward through the fog!

Re: Programming Language

Pablo Morales
 

I am not understanding your question well. I guess that you are asking the following:

What language is able to create accessible programs for visually impaired users as well for sighted?

I am confused because when you are talking about programs, languages and users each part is independent.

You create a program using a language, the operating system runs the program that you created, but the user will access the program that you created, no the language.

All languages could be accessible or not accessible at all. It depends on the way how you created the programs.

If you are just starting, you can start with Python, there are developing inviroments very accessible, or you can use visual studio, that also is very accessible.

Now the accessibility of the programs that you create depends on the way how you created, so it depends on you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

 

I'd rather make a program that could run on a computer rather than the web. And I'm trying to figure out, which programming language would be accessible to both sighted and visually impaired customers alike?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: files list how to?

Mario
 

if you're using Windows 7, tab from the list of files to and enter on a
name split button, then you'll be returned to the list of files which
should be reversed, in your case ascending order (sorted A to Z).

I think this also applies to Windows 10.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mark Furness [mailto:flintman57@...]
Sent: Thursday, Aug 24, 2017 8:09 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: files list how to?

How does one change the list of files back into alphabetical order going
a to z?

Mine change but I wish it back to the way jit was!!!!

Thank you for all your help!

Mark F.

onward through the fog!

Re: Programming Language

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I'd rather make a program that could run on a computer rather than the web. And I'm trying to figure out, which programming language would be accessible to both sighted and visually impaired customers alike?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: Programming Language

Pablo Morales
 

Hi Annabelle,

If you are just starting, I will not recommend start from C++. C++ is very good because you are able to develop software that will not require interpreters like visual basic, c#, python, and many others. However it imply that C++ is a little bit more complex than python or visual basic.

I don’t know what is the experience that you have, but if you are just starting, you might be better with a visual basic language, where you are able to add and modify those controls that you want to create, combo boxes, list boxes, buttons, and all of that. As higher is the level of the language that you want to use, it is more easy to be handle for us, but at the same time it imply that it will use more computer resources, and more dependency of the operating system. As lower is the level of the language that  you want to use, you are closer of the machine language, so the computer will use less resources, and it will be more independent of the operating system.

However, if you want to use controls like combo boxes , buttons, and all of that, other choice that you have is the web development. A web app runs on a server, no matter if the visitors are working on a Mac Os or on a windows computer.

Choices for web development are many but ASP and PHP are the most common today. ASP web apps runs on windows servers, but the pages are going to be seen on whatever operating system with a software to browse on internet. PHP runs on apache web servers, but the web pages are going to be seen on computers with operating systems that support web browsing.\

So at the end, no difference.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screen readers like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, combo boxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: alphabetical file list

george b
 

Well mark ou need to let us know what version of your o s your running

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
Sent: August 24, 2017 5:51
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: alphabetical file list

 

Please excuse me if this is posting again.

But it was not in my sent folder.

My file list was a to z. But now it is z to a.

I can not find how to change it back!

Gone to control panel.

                                                                                ALSo

 

onward through the fog!

 

alphabetical file list

Mark Furness
 

Please excuse me if this is posting again.

But it was not in my sent folder.

My file list was a to z. But now it is z to a.

I can not find how to change it back!

Gone to control panel.

                                                                                ALSo

 

onward through the fog!

 

Programming Language

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I hope that some of you fellow JAWS members might have an easy solution to this problem I'm having. I am a beginner at computer programming, and I want to make a program with a language that is not only accessible to screenreaders like JAWS, but is universal across Mac and Windows operating systems. I want to learn how to program things like buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, paragraphs, textboxes, sections, comboboxes, listboxes, tree views, progress bars, scroll bars, list views, and sliders. I'd like to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", and not a "C"), but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this one! But another friend of mine, Marc-Pierre Verge, tells me I should use Python. Now I'm really confused! Which language would you recommend? The program that I'm making is an app that I like to call "Ceremony Script Generator". This is an app that contains fillable forms, then generates a finished script in paragraphs and sections. There are different ceremonies for which customers can design a script with wordings of their choice. Basically, with this program, you can generate scripts for Wedding ceremonies, Baptism/dedication/christening/naming ceremonies, and funeral ceremonies/memorial services. In this Email, I will attach an example of a ceremony I've made. This Email will also contain part of my soon-to-be program. Here are some examples of the App I want to make. These are in HTML, but I want to learn how to code them in a different programming language. If you open these in a plain text editor like Notepad, you'll be able to see the source code I've made. One thing I'd like to learn is how to hide a textbox ("Last Name For Couple") and show two other textboxes ("Last Name For Spouse 1" and "Last Name For Spouse 2") when a checkbox ("The Couple Plans To Use The Same Last Name After Marriage") is unchecked, and vice versa when the checkbox is checked. And here is an example of what I want to generate in paragraphs and sections when customers complete all the steps. Read the source code in either a web browser or a plain text editor, and you'll see what I'm trying to generate. I don't want to create a program for running on a website, but I want to create a program that runs within the operating system.

Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic <a.pavkovic@...>
 

Of course, you can use it in text editors or word processors as well, but it will work reliably only within the current screen. It is sometimes useful, though, because it brings the cursor directly to the search result, no need to close the search window. However, I never use it in Word or editors.

 

Regards,

Aleksander

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 14:30
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

So, it means that insert + control + f  it is not a function to be used on word or text strings/documents?

So I should understand that insert + control + f it is to be used on dialogs, but not on text strings?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Quite simple, Pablo: there are many situations where there is no native search function (in Windows dialogues, for instance).

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 14:10
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Aleksander,

I don’t understand something  here. For what reason FS is going to invest time and money developing a function like insert + control + F , if the native  word function Control + F  works better?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Pablo,

 

as far as I know, JAWS search (Insert+CTRL+F) in Word or all program windows except the web-like ones (browser, PDF) only searches for strings on the current screen. Therefore, CTRL+F works better there because by default, this function searches for the string in the entire document.

 

Best regards,

Aleksander

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 13:49
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi all,

The following problem is happening on 3 different computers running Jaws 18 last release on windows 10, and word 2016 office 365.

When I have a word document opened, and I press insert + control + F to find a string. When I press enter to start the find function, 90% of the times jaws says, string not found.

However I know that that string is there so I try to use the word find function, pressing control + F, then I press enter.

Yes, using the find function on word, I am finding strings that jaws  is not able to find.

What is happening here? Why the find function  in jaws is not working consistently?

Thanks for all,

 

Is shipt.com accessible?

Ann Byrne
 

Shipt.com is a grocery delivery service that sounds even better than Peapod, but I have to join in order to look at product pages.  Is anyone using shipt.com?  How accessible is it with JAWS?
 
Thanks
Ann
 

Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

Pablo Morales
 

So, it means that insert + control + f  it is not a function to be used on word or text strings/documents?

So I should understand that insert + control + f it is to be used on dialogs, but not on text strings?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Quite simple, Pablo: there are many situations where there is no native search function (in Windows dialogues, for instance).

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 14:10
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Aleksander,

I don’t understand something  here. For what reason FS is going to invest time and money developing a function like insert + control + F , if the native  word function Control + F  works better?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Pablo,

 

as far as I know, JAWS search (Insert+CTRL+F) in Word or all program windows except the web-like ones (browser, PDF) only searches for strings on the current screen. Therefore, CTRL+F works better there because by default, this function searches for the string in the entire document.

 

Best regards,

Aleksander

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 13:49
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi all,

The following problem is happening on 3 different computers running Jaws 18 last release on windows 10, and word 2016 office 365.

When I have a word document opened, and I press insert + control + F to find a string. When I press enter to start the find function, 90% of the times jaws says, string not found.

However I know that that string is there so I try to use the word find function, pressing control + F, then I press enter.

Yes, using the find function on word, I am finding strings that jaws  is not able to find.

What is happening here? Why the find function  in jaws is not working consistently?

Thanks for all,

 

Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic <a.pavkovic@...>
 

Quite simple, Pablo: there are many situations where there is no native search function (in Windows dialogues, for instance).

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 14:10
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Aleksander,

I don’t understand something  here. For what reason FS is going to invest time and money developing a function like insert + control + F , if the native  word function Control + F  works better?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Pablo,

 

as far as I know, JAWS search (Insert+CTRL+F) in Word or all program windows except the web-like ones (browser, PDF) only searches for strings on the current screen. Therefore, CTRL+F works better there because by default, this function searches for the string in the entire document.

 

Best regards,

Aleksander

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 13:49
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi all,

The following problem is happening on 3 different computers running Jaws 18 last release on windows 10, and word 2016 office 365.

When I have a word document opened, and I press insert + control + F to find a string. When I press enter to start the find function, 90% of the times jaws says, string not found.

However I know that that string is there so I try to use the word find function, pressing control + F, then I press enter.

Yes, using the find function on word, I am finding strings that jaws  is not able to find.

What is happening here? Why the find function  in jaws is not working consistently?

Thanks for all,

 

Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

Pablo Morales
 

Hi Aleksander,

I don’t understand something  here. For what reason FS is going to invest time and money developing a function like insert + control + F , if the native  word function Control + F  works better?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. Aleksander Pavkovic
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi Pablo,

 

as far as I know, JAWS search (Insert+CTRL+F) in Word or all program windows except the web-like ones (browser, PDF) only searches for strings on the current screen. Therefore, CTRL+F works better there because by default, this function searches for the string in the entire document.

 

Best regards,

Aleksander

 

 

Von: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Pablo Morales
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 13:49
An: main@jfw.groups.io
Betreff: Jaws not finding content in word 2016

 

Hi all,

The following problem is happening on 3 different computers running Jaws 18 last release on windows 10, and word 2016 office 365.

When I have a word document opened, and I press insert + control + F to find a string. When I press enter to start the find function, 90% of the times jaws says, string not found.

However I know that that string is there so I try to use the word find function, pressing control + F, then I press enter.

Yes, using the find function on word, I am finding strings that jaws  is not able to find.

What is happening here? Why the find function  in jaws is not working consistently?

Thanks for all,

 

files list how to?

Mark Furness
 

How does one change the list of files back into alphabetical order going a to z?

Mine change but I wish it back to the way jit was!!!!

 

Thank you for all your help!

 

Mark F.

 

onward through the fog!