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moderated Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

What about Windows 10.  I Have the Pro Edition.

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Fast start should be off to totally shut the computer down like in Windows seven!

David Moore

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

Should fast startup be on or off.  Sometimes Jaws speaks, sometimes it doesn't when cold booting.  Also, since updating to the Spring Creators update, it seems to take longer for me to get to the sign-in screen.  Right now, fast startup is on.  Thanks.

 

Les

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:53 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Are you sure you have turned off fast startup, most of the time when Jaws doesn't speak at the login screen that one is to blame. I have 4 desktop PC's and a laptop and Jaws speaks just fine at startup and the Windows startup sounds oplays consistently.

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:21 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi,

 

I had the same problem, it ended up becoming  really annoying , so I disabled password at log in. if you're happy to remove the password at log in, it can be done. on older builds of windows there used to be a option in user settings to disable password, but for some reason that’s gone in the latest windows versions. because of not having speech at the log in with jaws I googled around for a solution, I found a few websites all suggesting this  as a fix, bring up start and type netplwiz, and hit enter , or bring up the run command  and type it there and press enter, it will then bring up a window where you can amend whether windows asks  for a password or not. I gave this ago and it worked fine for me and allowed me to disable password at log in and now takes me straight to the desktop when I first turn on my PC.

 

Paul

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange

Sent: 23 May 2018 15:34

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this has been covered before. At my work, I have 15 computers in a lab, all running Windows 10, with JAWS 2018 and/or Fusion 2018. They are all networked and all log into a domain. When cold booting them, , The lock screens and login screens don’t always speak in spite of Jaws or Fusion being told to  start at login. This is a royal pain both for me, and especially for my students who are new to using computers with Jaws.  Is there a way to dispense with lock screens altogether and just go straight to a login prompt that will consistently speak?? Our local IT guys say no. What say you?

Best regards,

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

David Moore
 

Fast start should be off to totally shut the computer down like in Windows seven!

David Moore

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

Should fast startup be on or off.  Sometimes Jaws speaks, sometimes it doesn't when cold booting.  Also, since updating to the Spring Creators update, it seems to take longer for me to get to the sign-in screen.  Right now, fast startup is on.  Thanks.

 

Les

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:53 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Are you sure you have turned off fast startup, most of the time when Jaws doesn't speak at the login screen that one is to blame. I have 4 desktop PC's and a laptop and Jaws speaks just fine at startup and the Windows startup sounds oplays consistently.

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:21 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi,

 

I had the same problem, it ended up becoming  really annoying , so I disabled password at log in. if you're happy to remove the password at log in, it can be done. on older builds of windows there used to be a option in user settings to disable password, but for some reason that’s gone in the latest windows versions. because of not having speech at the log in with jaws I googled around for a solution, I found a few websites all suggesting this  as a fix, bring up start and type netplwiz, and hit enter , or bring up the run command  and type it there and press enter, it will then bring up a window where you can amend whether windows asks  for a password or not. I gave this ago and it worked fine for me and allowed me to disable password at log in and now takes me straight to the desktop when I first turn on my PC.

 

Paul

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange

Sent: 23 May 2018 15:34

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this has been covered before. At my work, I have 15 computers in a lab, all running Windows 10, with JAWS 2018 and/or Fusion 2018. They are all networked and all log into a domain. When cold booting them, , The lock screens and login screens don’t always speak in spite of Jaws or Fusion being told to  start at login. This is a royal pain both for me, and especially for my students who are new to using computers with Jaws.  Is there a way to dispense with lock screens altogether and just go straight to a login prompt that will consistently speak?? Our local IT guys say no. What say you?

Best regards,

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Hi Sieghard,

Should fast startup be on or off. Sometimes Jaws speaks, sometimes it doesn't when cold booting. Also, since updating to the Spring Creators update, it seems to take longer for me to get to the sign-in screen. Right now, fast startup is on. Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Are you sure you have turned off fast startup, most of the time when Jaws doesn't speak at the login screen that one is to blame. I have 4 desktop PC's and a laptop and Jaws speaks just fine at startup and the Windows startup sounds oplays consistently.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Hi,

I had the same problem, it ended up becoming really annoying , so I disabled password at log in. if you're happy to remove the password at log in, it can be done. on older builds of windows there used to be a option in user settings to disable password, but for some reason that’s gone in the latest windows versions. because of not having speech at the log in with jaws I googled around for a solution, I found a few websites all suggesting this as a fix, bring up start and type netplwiz, and hit enter , or bring up the run command and type it there and press enter, it will then bring up a window where you can amend whether windows asks for a password or not. I gave this ago and it worked fine for me and allowed me to disable password at log in and now takes me straight to the desktop when I first turn on my PC.

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: 23 May 2018 15:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Hi,
I’m not sure if this has been covered before. At my work, I have 15 computers in a lab, all running Windows 10, with JAWS 2018 and/or Fusion 2018. They are all networked and all log into a domain. When cold booting them, , The lock screens and login screens don’t always speak in spite of Jaws or Fusion being told to start at login. This is a royal pain both for me, and especially for my students who are new to using computers with Jaws. Is there a way to dispense with lock screens altogether and just go straight to a login prompt that will consistently speak?? Our local IT guys say no. What say you?
Best regards,
Tom


moderated Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

Steve Griffiths
 


Hi Brian,

 

I don't know if you can do this if you want to arrow through a page, but you can do it for the SayAll command; search for Scheme in the Quick Settings dialogue (JAWSKey + V) and set it to SayAll Text Only.

 

Thanks,

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 May 2018 02:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

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moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

John Gurd
 

Hi Joseph

I looked at your link. The only addition I would suggest is that the it’s – X’s issue also happens with UK English grade 2.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: 24 May 2018 09:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Thanks so much. I didn’t know how to progress it.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 24 May 2018 08:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John and others,

A GitHub issue on Liblouis back-translation has been filed on your behalf:

https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/572

 

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

John Gurd
 

Thanks so much. I didn’t know how to progress it.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 24 May 2018 08:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John and others,

A GitHub issue on Liblouis back-translation has been filed on your behalf:

https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/572

 

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John and others,

A GitHub issue on Liblouis back-translation has been filed on your behalf:

https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis/issues/572

 

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi all,

I will report this to Liblouis people tonight, as I was able to confirm these on another screen reader with a different braille device.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Actually, you will not see this if you read ordinary text translated into English UEB OR UK English, it only occurs when inputting your own Braille using UEB and English UK grade 2 using Jaws and the Focus 40 or 14. I don’t know about the 80 but I should imagine it is the same.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: 24 May 2018 07:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

John Gurd
 

Actually, you will not see this if you read ordinary text translated into English UEB OR UK English, it only occurs when inputting your own Braille using UEB and English UK grade 2 using Jaws and the Focus 40 or 14. I don’t know about the 80 but I should imagine it is the same.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: 24 May 2018 07:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

John Gurd
 

That’s correct, Focus 14 in the ElBraille and Focuss 40 with PC 4th gen with latest firmware both running JFW 2018 latest versions. Yes, the issue seems to be the back-translation. If anyone can help verify this using English Grade two UEB and/or UK English it would be a  big help.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: 24 May 2018 01:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

John Gurd
 

If it is what I think it is it will affect any braille device that uses the Liblious 3.3  and 3.5 Braille translation tables which are open source. I don’t think it is the hardware as such, although I could be wrong, I think it is VFO’s decision to use the Liblious translation table in Jaws. In theory it was a good decision as long as the tables are correctly implemented. It affects the Focus displays but should affect others that use this open source table.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: 24 May 2018 00:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

Sorry to hear this John. And I am sorry to have to say I don’t know, because I am not a Focus refresh a bowl braille display or El Braille User. However, perhaps the focus 40 generation  5 will resolve that problem. Of course, if you are using a focus 14, then I guess that unless Freedom Scientific comes out with a corresponding version of the 14 cell refreshable braille device, then that   won’t help either. Shalom,

 

Bill Tessore

 

 


On May 23, 2018, at 3:10 PM, John Gurd via Groups.Io <j.gurd@...> wrote:

It occurs in my ElBraille and using a Focus 40 with my PC. I know of another person with the same issues. Someone who works with the Liblious project confirmed there was an issue some months ago with 3.3. but I was hoping it would be fixed in Liblious 3.5.0. I just wonder why it doesn’t come up: are people finding work-arounds or just not using UEB grade 2 as an input method. Maybe no one is experiencing it. I’d like to know.

 

John

 

 

John

 

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: 23 May 2018 21:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Translation Errors

 

John, are you using a refreshable braille display, or an ElBraille? Or are
 You reading something written by someone using one of these? Shalom,

Bill tessore

 


On May 23, 2018, at 1:27 PM, John Gurd via Groups.Io <j.gurd@...> wrote:

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, John. I think in Reader Mode, JAWS still says Link.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

What if you use the reader mode in firefox or chrome? Would not that
do what you want?

On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:28:57 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Hi, Brian. I don?t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in
JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn?t turn off this announcement.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia



I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the
original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia. Given
that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through
links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as
you are
constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before
the actual text. Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though
links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce
them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one
little corner of the
earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

John Covici
 

What if you use the reader mode in firefox or chrome? Would not that
do what you want?

On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:28:57 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia



I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia. Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are
constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text. Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the
earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Are you sure you have turned off fast startup, most of the time when Jaws doesn't speak at the login screen that one is to blame. I have 4 desktop PC's and a laptop and Jaws speaks just fine at startup and the Windows startup sounds oplays consistently.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Hi,

I had the same problem, it ended up becoming really annoying , so I disabled password at log in. if you're happy to remove the password at log in, it can be done. on older builds of windows there used to be a option in user settings to disable password, but for some reason that’s gone in the latest windows versions. because of not having speech at the log in with jaws I googled around for a solution, I found a few websites all suggesting this as a fix, bring up start and type netplwiz, and hit enter , or bring up the run command and type it there and press enter, it will then bring up a window where you can amend whether windows asks for a password or not. I gave this ago and it worked fine for me and allowed me to disable password at log in and now takes me straight to the desktop when I first turn on my PC.

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: 23 May 2018 15:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Hi,
I’m not sure if this has been covered before. At my work, I have 15 computers in a lab, all running Windows 10, with JAWS 2018 and/or Fusion 2018. They are all networked and all log into a domain. When cold booting them, , The lock screens and login screens don’t always speak in spite of Jaws or Fusion being told to start at login. This is a royal pain both for me, and especially for my students who are new to using computers with Jaws. Is there a way to dispense with lock screens altogether and just go straight to a login prompt that will consistently speak?? Our local IT guys say no. What say you?
Best regards,
Tom


moderated Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Braille Translation Errors

Terrie Terlau
 

Hi John,

Sorry if I missed this, but are you using the Focus 40 or another braille display and inputting text in UEB or Grade 2 English braille and the problem is with the back translation?

I used to input Grade 2 braille on a Focus 40 with no problem, but this was several years ago. Please let us know what display you are using. These  are really bad errors and should not occur. I hope you get a positive response from VFO. (hope that’s the correct name of the company that bought Freedom Scientific).

Best,

Terrie Terlau

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:27 PM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Braille Translation Errors

 

I got really excited when I read Jaws has the new LIBLOUIS available. Sadly, the strrange translation issues I  was hoping would be fixed relating to UEB English are still there. And there are two in UK English grade 2. It makes me wonder why noone else appears to be picking them up? Does everyone else input in Computer Braille? I really would like to know if this is the case as maybe I should learn to do that too because these errors are quite big and long-standing.

 

So the word ‘first’ comes out as first's  if you use the contraction f and st sign. The word it’s comes out as x’s if you use the letter x with apostrophe s.

 

In UK English grade 2 anything with a double L comes out with the word little in it. So ball becomes balittle and so on. Strangely the word ‘first’ translates fine but the word ‘it’s’ has the same error.  I would really like to hear if anyone experiences this? It only happens if contracted input is used so if everyone is using computer Braille for input and UEB or UK English for display they will not see it.

 

Thanks.

John

 


moderated List of Available Networks Not Displaying

Robbie Curtis
 

Good Evening,


I am using JAWS2018 and Windows 8.1 and am unable to see the list of available wifi networks on my computer.  It shows me the network that I'm connected to but I can't seem to pull up the list of available ones.  Is there any keystroke that will allow me to pull up this list quickly instead of going through Open network and sharing center?


Thanks in advance.


--
Robbie J. Curtis
essence64@triad.rr.com
"Stay in peace, not pieces!"


moderated Re: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

Tom Lange
 

Hi Ca?yanne,
all of these lab machines are running Windows 10 Pro. I tried the procedure on three of the 15 machines and so far so good. I’ll know how things are shaping up when I log them in tomorrow morning. I’ll keep you posted. Thanks again.
Best regards,
Tom Lange

On May 23, 2018, at 1:31 PM, CathyAnne Murtha <cathy@...> wrote:

You can press ESCAPE to close the lock screen.

 

If you are using Windows Home edition, you can disable the lock screen in the registry. There are instructions for that on the Internet. I don’t feel comfortable recommending that option.

 

If you’re using Windows 10 Pro, you can edit the Lock Screen in the Group Policy Editor.

 

In Windows 10 Pro, follow these steps:

 

  1. Open the Start Menu
  2. Search for “gpedit” without the quotes
  3. Activate “Edit Group Policy” in the search results

 

This opens a window with a tree view on the left and options for each tree view item on the right. Focus is placed in the list view.

 

Within the Group Policy Editor:

  1. Within the list view, focus on “Administrative Templates”
  2. Navigate to the right side of the Window with TAB and focus on “Control Panel”
  3. Activate “Control Panel” to display more options
  4. Within the new list, activate “Personalization”
  5. Another list is displayed, activate “Do Not Display the Lock Screen”

 

This opens a window specific to the locks screen.  To configure the lock screen:

  • Navigate to the radio buttons
  • Within the radio buttons, select “Enabled.”  This means the lock screen will not be displayed
  • Activate the OK button to save  the changes and close the Window

 

Close the Group Policy Editor with ALT-F4 and you’re done.

 

 

CathyAnne

 

 

CathyAnne Murtha

Access Technology Institute, LLC

cathy@...

www.blind.training

(520) 300-7859

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 Lock Screens and Login Prompts

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this has been covered before. At my work, I have 15 computers in a lab, all running Windows 10, with JAWS 2018 and/or Fusion 2018. They are all networked and all log into a domain. When cold booting them, , The lock screens and login screens don’t always speak in spite of Jaws or Fusion being told to  start at login. This is a royal pain both for me, and especially for my students who are new to using computers with Jaws.  Is there a way to dispense with lock screens altogether and just go straight to a login prompt that will consistently speak?? Our local IT guys say no. What say you?

Best regards,

Tom

 

 

 


moderated Re: attaching a file in Thunderbird

Mario
 

it seems to be a focus issue, so shift+tab and tab

-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom [mailto:tomcat509@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: attaching a file in Thunderbird

Hi,
Thanks for your reply.

As explained in my original message, my difficulty is not starting the
attach file process but ending it. After pressing enter on the file to be
attached, what is the method of regaining the Thunderbird message edit box
so the message and attachment can be sent?

Thanks
Tom





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: attaching a file in Thunderbird

just before sending the email, pressing control+shift+a is the shortcut
which triggers the standard dialog to select which file to attach. the menu
version is pressing alt+f, then h, then enter.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom [mailto:tomcat509@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 7:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: attaching a file in Thunderbird

Hi,



Using: W10 Home 64 bit with 1803 update, Jaws with yesterday's update and
latest Thunderbird.



The technique I previously used to attach a file in Thunderbird seems to
no longer work after all the updates.Getting to the file I wish to attach is
the same but after pressing enter on the desired file to be attached, I
can't get back in to Thunderbird in order to send the message.



So could someone outline the steps they successfully use to attach a
file in Thunderbird?



Thanks

Tom












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