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FW: grouped conversations in outlook 2010 with last version of jaws 2018

William Windels
 

Hello,

Below a mail of the vfo support team about grouped conversations in outlook 2010.

It should be a problem on the microsoft side they say but anyway: are there any workarounds, scripts, or other procedures so that jfw-users can work with grouped conversations in outlook 2010?

And if not, is another version of microsoft office a better choice?

 

Thx for any suggestions.

William Windels  

 

Van: VFO Technical Support [mailto:support@...]
Verzonden: dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 17:18
Aan: William Windels
Onderwerp: RE: grouped conversations in outlook 2010 with last version of jaws 2018

 

Hello William:

 

Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.

 

We do not provide technical support for Microsoft® products. Microsoft has a disability support service for their products.

JAWS 2018® and Office 2016® are compatible. Please see the below support resource page from Microsoft. Their contact us information is on this page.

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/Accessibility/disability-answer-desk

 

 

If you have any additional questions regarding this or any other issue, please don't hesitate to contact us.

 

If replying to this message, be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this matter so that we might better assist you.

 

 

 

Sarai Bucciarelli

VFO™ | Technical Support Specialist

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 727-803-8000 F 727-803-8001

www.vfogroup.com

How am I doing?  Let

Bryan Carver, Director of Technical Support know!

 

 

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From: William Windels <william.windels@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:06 AM
To: VFO Technical Support <support@...>
Subject: Re: grouped conversations in outlook 2010 with last version of jaws 2018

 

hello,

thx for the answer.

some questions about your mail:

1 I am living in Belgium so calling to a american number is not that cheap and easy.

Do you have a online contact system?

 

2: why should the problem change if vfo/freedom scintific has already talked about that to help 1000 or more people over the world?3: is there a other mail program that works better with jaws in global and more specific with grouped conversations?

 

kind regards, 

william windels

 

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone


Op 7 aug. 2018 om 14:58 heeft VFO Technical Support <support@...> het volgende geschreven:

Hello William:

 

Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.

 

Since Outlook® is not behaving as expected in conversation view, it would be beneficial to consult the Microsoft® accessibility team for assistance. Please call 800-936-5900.

 

If you have any additional questions regarding this or any other issue, please don't hesitate to contact us.

 

If replying to this message, be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this matter so that we might better assist you.

 

 

 

Sarai Bucciarelli

VFO™ | Technical Support Specialist

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 727-803-8000 F 727-803-8001

www.vfogroup.com

How am I doing?  Let

Bryan Carver, Director of Technical Support know!

 

 

The information contained in this communication is confidential, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of VFO™. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments.

 

From: William Windels <william.windels@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 3:40 AM
To: VFO Technical Support <support@...>
Subject: grouped conversations in outlook 2010 with last version of jaws 2018

 

Hello,

 

I am trying to group mailmessages in 1 specific mailfolder.

 

I tought I should see the following with jaws:

+ sign on the left of each row in the mail inbox when a tread is collapsed and a – sign when that tread is expende.

(this is the case when there are mailfolders with subfolders).

 

At the moment, I see a - sign next to a collapsed tread and nothing next to the messages in the tread.

 

I suppose I can reply/forward from a collapsed message or expanded message with the default outlook hotkeys ctrl+r, ctrl+shift+r or ctrl+f?

 

When going up/down with arrow keys in a mail-folder with collapsed and expanded treads:

I should use enter or arrow right /left to expand or colaps treads.

 

When entering on a collapsed tread, I expect that the most recent message is opened to read like with a message that is not in a collapsed list.

 

Any hints or setup assistance with mail-trads in outlook is very welcome.

 

Kind regards,

William Windels

     

 

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Re: 2 in 1 computers

 

I bought an Asus Zenbook 15 inch laptop, no 2-in-1 or 3-in-1, just a good laptop although it does have a 4K touch screen. Apart from that it has a keyboard with NumPad and it came with 16Gb of RAM, a 512Gb SSD and an I7 CPU. Also 4 USB ports and 1 USB-C port and HDMI, no ethernet port, though, of course WiFi 802.11AC and bluetooth 4 or 4.1. This is, however, a premium laptop, not an under $1,000 model.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 computers

Just purchased a HP Envy 13z and it works very well. Only issue is no
separate number pad. Has the 360 hinge and AMD processor and graphics.

On 8/9/2018 8:50 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Anyone have experience with a Dell 2 in 1 laptop and Jaws 2018?
I'm looking into a new computer and what I want only comes in a 2 in 1, probably because of the 512 GB SSD drive and i7 chip, etc.

Thanks,
Rihcard
.



"The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter."
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1






Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

Well, Chrome is a web browser and that is what I usually use it for, I do my banking, go to supplier websites/online ordering systems, I do some online shopping, use Google a lot to search for stuff etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

You just go to web pages?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015.
Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome.
What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
Does control o work to open a file?
Or control l like in Firefox?
I am looking for a way to load files faster.
Wasn't in inaccessible until recently?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Re: Backup

Gerald Levy
 

Not true. You can't just shove the Macrium rescue disk into your DVD drive, and bang, zoom, it automatically restores your computer from the external hard drive without any intervention. You have to initiate the restoration procedure, which requires sight because there is no speech available when the rescue disk is loaded.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from
windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without
intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]

I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk is totally inaccessible
with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with itοΏ½s free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty accessible using JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it it works very
well.



HTH,







John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst


p. 4147783040 t. 800-642-8778



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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about accessibility since things change such that something that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons. I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: 2 in 1 computers

Don H
 

Just purchased a HP Envy 13z and it works very well. Only issue is no separate number pad. Has the 360 hinge and AMD processor and graphics.

On 8/9/2018 8:50 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Anyone have experience with a Dell 2 in 1 laptop and Jaws 2018?
I'm looking into a new computer and what I want only comes in a 2 in 1, probably because of the 512 GB SSD drive and i7 chip, etc.
Thanks,
Rihcard
.
"The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter."
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


Re: Backup

John Covici
 

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from
windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without
intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]

I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk is totally inaccessible
with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with it’s free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty accessible using JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it it works very
well.



HTH,







John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst


p. 4147783040 t. 800-642-8778



NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document attached hereto is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message in
confidence to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If
you have received this transmittal and/or attachments in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about accessibility since things change such that something that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons. I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: Backup

John Covici
 

I use the paid version of the software, it will backup incrementally
so you can restore to a previous date/time and you do get support by
Email for a year.


On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:32:04 -0400,
John Doering wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (base64)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (base64)>]
I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with it’s free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty accessible using JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it it works very
well.



HTH,







John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst


p. 4147783040 t. 800-642-8778



NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document attached hereto is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message in
confidence to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If
you have received this transmittal and/or attachments in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about accessibility since things change such that something that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons. I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


2 in 1 computers

Richard Turner
 

Anyone have experience with a Dell 2 in 1 laptop and Jaws 2018?
I'm looking into a new computer and what I want only comes in a 2 in 1, probably because of the 512 GB SSD drive and i7 chip, etc.

Thanks,
Rihcard
.



"The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter."
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Sharon
 

You just go to web pages?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since
Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015.
Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome.
What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I
really ever use, I just go to web pages.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
Does control o work to open a file?
Or control l like in Firefox?
I am looking for a way to load files faster.
Wasn't in inaccessible until recently?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many
more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for
finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7
for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you
install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are
installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is
in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and
use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make
either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of
the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For
example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my
Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws
will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description
and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use
proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no
longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more
years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer
it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it
comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is
currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I
make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other
pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015.
Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome.
What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
Does control o work to open a file?
Or control l like in Firefox?
I am looking for a way to load files faster.
Wasn't in inaccessible until recently?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many
more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for
finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7
for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you
install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are
installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is
in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and
use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make
either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of
the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For
example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my
Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws
will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description
and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use
proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no
longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more
years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer
it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it
comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is
currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I
make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other
pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Sharon
 

Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
Does control o work to open a file?
Or control l like in Firefox?
I am looking for a way to load files faster.
Wasn't in inaccessible until recently?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many
more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for
finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7
for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you
install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are
installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is
in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and
use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make
either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of
the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For
example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my
Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws
will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description
and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use
proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no
longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more
years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer
it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it
comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is
currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I
make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other
pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Windows 10 Mail and Jaws 2018

Jim Fettgather
 

Hello to the list.
As I am using up and down arrow keys to peruse the list of messages in
Windows 10 Mail, Jaws keeps repeating "Messages Multi Select List
Box".
This definitely detracts from a smooth reading experience, so I am
just asking if anyone has experienced this same behavior?
Perhaps a setting needs to be adjusted?
Thanks for any thoughts.


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is
currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I
make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other
pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Bookshare and Jaws headings issue and hot keys

Sharon
 

Is anyone experiencing a strange issue on the Bookshare site?

When you bring up headings with insert f6 while going through the new books collection, it says headings not found. When you do it again, and again, and again, it eventually brings up the list of headings.

I wonder if text is moving around on the screen.

 

Also, I set up hot keys to bring me directly to Bookshare and BARD, but they seem to only work once.

When I try to use them again, nothing happens.

When I go in again and retype the hot key sequence again that is already there, it works again once.

Ideas?

Sharon

 


Re: Backup

Gerald Levy
 

 
I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my computer.  But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk is totally inaccessible with JAWS.
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Backup
 

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer.  I like that with it’s free version you can do disc cloning.  It is also pretty accessible using JAWS.  You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it it works very well.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst 

 
p. 4147783040  t. 800-642-8778

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

 

Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

          I have pretty much given up on making assertions about accessibility since things change such that something that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not."  That being said, if you're trying to make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

          It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there but because of the ease of use of its interface.  My partner is, how shall I put it, not particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

           In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons.  I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left side, but I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible.  In the event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: Backup

John Doering
 

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer.  I like that with it’s free version you can do disc cloning.  It is also pretty accessible using JAWS.  You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it it works very well.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst 

 
p. 4147783040  t. 800-642-8778

 

NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document attached hereto is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message in confidence to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmittal and/or attachments in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

 

Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

          I have pretty much given up on making assertions about accessibility since things change such that something that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not."  That being said, if you're trying to make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

          It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there but because of the ease of use of its interface.  My partner is, how shall I put it, not particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

           In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons.  I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left side, but I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible.  In the event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Youtube

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

How do you get Youtube to play a video? …… Using Jaws 18 and Windows 10.

 

Laura

 


Re: Java update question

Dave Durber
 

Hello Richard:

If you are running Windows 7 and you have installed JAVA, and you want to check if Java Access Bridge is checked or not, Do the following:

press WINDOWS KEY+U, to open the "Ease of Access Center".

Tap the TAB key, until you get to "Use the computer without a display". JAWS will tell you that it is a link. Press ENTER, to open it.

Press SHIFT+TAB, until you get to "Enable Java Access Bridge, JAWS will tell you the state of the check box that is associated with this item. If Java is installed, by default, the check box is unchecked. Press the SPACE BAR, to check the check box, to activate Java Access Bridge.

Tab to the "Apply" button and tap the SPACE BAR, to activate it.

Press SHIFT+TAB, until you get to the OK button. Press the ENTER key or the SPACE BAR, TO ACTIVATE IT.

Press ALT+F4, to close the "Ease of Access Center".

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard B. McDonald" <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Java update question


Oh, your below is interesting. Well, about your comment "The JAB is no longer a part of the screenreader. It's built in to Java itself nowadays." Is this true for a system running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and JAWS 15, like mine?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 5:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Java update question

Accept the update. The JAB is no longer a part of the screenreader. It's built in to Java itself nowadays. If you installed it when you first installed Java and it needs updating, it will do it. I have heard nothing bad about Java since version 7, although I still can't get it to do anything useful on my own systems, but that's probably more a Steve Matzura problem than anything else. (smile).

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard B. McDonald"
<richardbmcdonald@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Java update question


I too get a Java update notification. But, I have been reluctant to
do it because I do not know how it will handle the Java Access
Bridge. Does anyone know if the update will properly update the JAB?
I use Windows 7 Pro
64 bit under JAWS 15.

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Debby Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Java update question

Hi David,

When Java is ready to update I find it in the "System Tray." Press
JAWS-key
+ F11 and arrow up and down. Hopefully you will find it there.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Java update question

Greetings all:

Jaws keeps telling me that a new version of "Java" is ready to be
installed,

and to do this "click here" which I obviously can't see. When this
notification is announced again what is the best method to locate the
"here"

button to commence the download/install?

Sincerely yours,



David S. Pearson


IE vs. "Chrome"

David Pearson
 

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Re: Do I need Java? Do I have it already?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I don't know if you need Java or not. My bank uses Java to enable its website for paying bills to work. This is actual Java, not Java script. The way to tell if you have Java is to go to your Control Panel in Windows. If you can use first-letter navigation in your control panel, tap the J key and see if Java Control Panel comes up. If it does, you have Java. If not, you don't.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Do I need Java? Do I have it already?

Hello All,

I used to see Java Bridge and such under the ease of access center, but I do not find it. I have not thought of Java for a long time, not since I bought my current Windows 10 machine. I am using JAWS 17. Do I need Java? If I have it, where is it?

Tim Ford