Mike,

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

Mr. Norton:

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

Thank you muchly.

Hi:

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley

Hi all:
haven't been a jaws list for a while and I would like some help.
can anyone tell me how I might get speech rates to vary for different
applications, without having to adjust it on the fly? if it is simple,
my mind is to highly trained to get it without an explanation.
thanks for any help.
Mark

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 

Mr. Norton:

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

Thank you muchly.

Hi:

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley

Hi all:

I'm using jaws 2018 and public beta 2019 and Windows 10. On the google

Juanita

Hi:

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley

Jessica, Did you check to see if there is a Paprika3 program for windows? I love this app, but have never received any reply to the many support requests, I have sent. I have only used it with iOS, but, have been tempted to purchase the Mac version.

What I do in order to not lose the session since it’s most likely I’ve got tabs open that I’d rather not close, is when Firefox appears to hang on one tab/window, I first launch the task manager.

After that, I navigate to the running Firefox running task. Usually, there will be multiple instances

For example: Process: Firefox closed
Name
Firefox (8)

If I expand this treeview and arrow down, All Jaws reads is Firefox over and over again for all the stuff it’s got running

However when I use the Jaws cursor and arrow among the different Firefox listings, I can read percentages used by each one.

Assuming we’re all having the same problem with Firefox, then, no. There’s a chance JAWS 2018 will still receive an update to fix this issue, but I’m not necessarily counting on it.

For now, my solution is to have a task manager (in my case,  Process Explorer) open at all times, ready to restart the Firefox process. It’s somewhat inconvenient but Firefox restores crashed sessions so I usually just pick up where I left off. The freezing still lets me read whatever page I am on, I just can’t interact with it until Firefox is restarted.

I am having the same issue.  Are there any known workarounds known without giving the Beta 2019 a try? I have never used a beta version.  How do I download it?  Thanks!

I just upgraded to the 2019 beta at home, and the problems seems to have completely disappeared.

I’m having the same issues with Firefox and at times also with Internet Explorer. Just an FYI

Shirley Tracy

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

Hello Listers,

Assuming we’re all having the same problem with Firefox, then, no. There’s a chance JAWS 2018 will still receive an update to fix this issue, but I’m not necessarily counting on it.

For now, my solution is to have a task manager (in my case,  Process Explorer) open at all times, ready to restart the Firefox process. It’s somewhat inconvenient but Firefox restores crashed sessions so I usually just pick up where I left off. The freezing still lets me read whatever page I am on, I just can’t interact with it until Firefox is restarted.

I am having the same issue.  Are there any known workarounds known without giving the Beta 2019 a try? I have never used a beta version.  How do I download it?  Thanks!

I just upgraded to the 2019 beta at home, and the problems seems to have completely disappeared.

I’m having the same issues with Firefox and at times also with Internet Explorer. Just an FYI

Shirley Tracy

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

Hi,

I stuffed up my message the first time so now sending   a corrected version. 

Using: W10 64 bit Home with latest updates. And Jaws 2019 beta.

While the punctuation  script  continues to function normally on my system in Jaws 2018, it does not work in the 2019 beta. 

Has anyone else noticed this problem with the beta?

Would it be worth attempting to install the script again under the beta

Thanks

Tom

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley

Hello Listers,

 

How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email/Skype:

 

mikeameli@...

 

Zoom Room:

 

https://zoom.us/j/7792849618

 

Zoom ID:

 

7792849618

 

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