The Alt attribute still shows up the text on screen.  What I am saying is that you could hide the text of the alt attribute from sighted users with CSS and still expose it to screen readers.  Cheers!

 

Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.

But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image code.

HTH,

Richard

  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 

On May 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

Hey all,

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

Rick

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.

But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image code.

HTH,

Richard

  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

On May 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: May 3, 2019 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

What if one has a SSD?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed.

Curtis Delzer 

HS

W B 6 H E F

Rialto, CA

On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sieghard Weitzel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

http://jaws2019.vfo.digital/2019.1904.60.400/ED111FD1-9781-4C10-8901-711295AE5C8F/J2019.1904.60-any.exe

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Hey all,

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

Rick

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.

My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

Accent synthesizer speech demo

Regards,

Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> 

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> 

> 

> 

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

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Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed.

Curtis Delzer 

HS

W B 6 H E F

Rialto, CA

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sieghard Weitzel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

http://jaws2019.vfo.digital/2019.1904.60.400/ED111FD1-9781-4C10-8901-711295AE5C8F/J2019.1904.60-any.exe

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Hello List-members,

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

Best, Justin

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sieghard Weitzel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

http://jaws2019.vfo.digital/2019.1904.60.400/ED111FD1-9781-4C10-8901-711295AE5C8F/J2019.1904.60-any.exe

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers