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moderated Re: Question on deleting old email list addresses.

 

Albert,

See either:

Delete an Address From the Outlook Autocomplete List

Outlook 2019/365: Clear Email Address From Auto-Complete

 
Remember that autocomplete is not looking at your contacts, but through a list that it creates over time as you send e-mail messages.  This is emphasized in both of the above articles/tutorials, so there will be many more entries associated with autocomplete than are in your contacts.

You can either delete individual entries if you know part of the address you want to delete, or you can nuke your entire autocomplete list.  But if you elect to do the latter, you will be starting over from scratch as far as it being created again as you send additional email messages, and many of the entries you have become accustomed to "just being there" will not be until you actually send a message to that address again.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Question on deleting old email list addresses.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning Brian, 

 

I’m using outlook with office 365 on a windows 10 laptop.  I realized that after I sent the question, that I forgot too include those details.  Thanks’ fore all of the help and advice that you’re always  will to provide. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question on deleting old email list addresses.

 

More detail is needed, as in what email client or webmail interface.

You absolutely can do this, but the how is entirely dependent on the where.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Question on deleting old email list addresses.

 

More detail is needed, as in what email client or webmail interface.

You absolutely can do this, but the how is entirely dependent on the where.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
way before emojis became fashionable
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Oh, for those long lost days!   I have only ever used emoticons very sparingly, as I've generally been able to carry off snark, sarcasm, and irony without them.

Emojis are something I do not think I've ever used except as an embellishment in a text message, e.g., adding a birthday cake to a happy birthday message.  I despise the things with a burning passion overall (not that anyone else needs to, that's just me).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

I did know this given my computer background goes back to way before emojis became fashionable, but I have gotten used to people using actual emojis which Jaws reads as "Smiley Face" instead of ;-)  and being in a bit of a hurry when I read and answered I missed this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi again Sieghard. The use of the symbols ;-) denote a sarcastic smiley face. That's what Brian was trying to get across. When he said, "Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations," He is poking fun at people who are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, and who, despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, believe what they want to, no matter how unreasonable their assertion may be.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Question on deleting old email list addresses.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning everyone, 

 

Is their a way too delete either some or a few email addresses that are in your contacts list, of email lists that are no longer around, or may have changed to a different email address? If so, how is this process accomplished.

 

Thanks in advance, Al    


moderated Re: Download alerts with Edge

Bill White
 

Hi again, Joseph. If you want to hear Edge alerts for downloads, once you have pressed ENTER on a download link, press CONTROL plus J to take you to the downloads section. After you have pressed CONTROL plus J, you will once again hear your download alerts.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Download alerts with Edge

 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Download alerts with Edge

Bill White
 

Hi, Joseph. For a long time, I have been using Download Sound, which is an AddOn for Chrome, and if you check "Allow Extensions from Other Stores, under Settings and More>Extensions, you can add Download Sound to Microsoft Edge. This way, I always know when a download has completed. Also, Download Sound gives you a notification if the download failed or was successful.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Download alerts with Edge

 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: capsha

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

I rarely run into a CAPTCHA that doesn't have an audio option. The one I did run into a few days ago let you bypass the challenge with an accessibility cookie. That one's called hCAPTCHA. Other than that, I haven't run into one that doesn't in a long, long while.

On 4/25/2021 1:39 AM, paul lemm via groups.io wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

For anyone having trouble with Capsha’s, although not a perfect solution, there is always Aira or be my eyes, you can call them and have them help you solve the capsha for you. both services are available on most smart phones, so you show the agent your screen and the visual capsha, they can then tell you what to type. with Aira they can even connect directly too your PC through team viewer and solve the capsha for you. Again, I appreciate in an ideal world  that we shouldn’t need to rely on a third party  service and all capsha’s should automatically have an audio option, but sadly that isn’t the case. I also totally appreciate just how frustrating it is to come across a Capsha without an audio option or if the audio is too difficult to understand, as mentioned previously I know Be my eyes and Aira aren’t a perfect solution, but I just wanted to share details about the services to anyone who didn’t already know about the two companies, as a possible work around when people encounter inaccessible capsha’s. Be my eyes is free, Aira although a subscription service, in a lot of countries they offer 1 free five minute call a day for non-subscribed members, which comes in really handy for the odd capsha which you need help with to solve.

 

Paul Lemm

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: 25 April 2021 05:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I too have trouble with the audio challenges.  I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

 

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Download alerts with Edge

Joseph Norton
 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2021 - Version And ILM Key Being Announced When List Of Links Is being Displayed.

Patricia
 

I think this is a bug. I see this happening too. Never thought to
report it because it's so minor, but I guess it should be. I'm sure we
aren't the only ones who have noticed.

Best,

Patricia

On 4/24/21, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Hi All

I've noticed in the last few days that every time I bring up a list of
links, headings etc, JAWS is speaking "JAWS Version 2021.2103.174 ILM" Not
sure if I've hit some random key stroke to turn this on. I have been running
this version for a couple of weeks and this only started on Thursday. Any
suggestions appreciated?

Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation






moderated Interacting with tables in PowerPoint 2016

Patricia
 

Hi all:

Has anyone experienced this issue?

I can't seem to interact with tables (read/edit) int PowerPoint.
Haven't tried this with 365, but am currently experiencing this in
2016 running the February
update of JAWS 2021. Note: JAWS 2019 seems to behave the same way, so
I think navigation has changed and I'm unaware of it.

In the past to edit tables I would press enter on the object, JAWS
would say "edit," and thenI was free to interact with the text as I
chose. I've tried using table commands to navigate (I prefer the table
layer way of navigating), but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
Everything I've googled indicates nothing has changed from the
past, but obviously something has. The last time I've nagivated in
tables I was runnijng Windows 7, PowerPoint 2013 and JAWS 16, so a lot
of factors have changed. The joy of work machine upgrades.

Any help much appreciated.

Best,

Patricia


moderated Re: Notepad++ text editor

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi leonard,

 

It is. I use it for all my college work and Visual code for JavaScript.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:12 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Notepad++ text editor

 

Is Notepad++ text editor accessible using Jaws 2021 and is it free? I like Jarte a lot but even when including "screen reader mode" the program is not working very well for me.


moderated Notepad++ text editor

leonard morris
 

Is Notepad++ text editor accessible using Jaws 2021 and is it free? I like Jarte a lot but even when including "screen reader mode" the program is not working very well for me.


moderated Re: capsha

Bill White
 

Hi again Sieghard. The use of the symbols ;-) denote a sarcastic smiley face. That's what Brian was trying to get across. When he said, "Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations," He is poking fun at people who are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, and who, despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, believe what they want to, no matter how unreasonable their assertion may be.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. Brian was being sarcastic and satirical, because a lot of people won't recognize the truth, even if it stares them in the face.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.
-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible. I haven't come across an inaccessible captcha in quite a long time and I certainly wouldn't pay $30 a year or even $10 a year. If there is an inaccessible captcha there is always Aira and they usually make short work of it.places  790I have rarely come across

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Then you should tell this to Blind Bargains as they recommend this product and even featured it on a podcast.

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Apr 24, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

 

Unfortunately, Captcha Be Gone was a scam and although their web site may still be around, the service itself, which apparently never worked,  is long gone, and if you dsign up and shell out the $30 or whatever they charge, you will never see that money again because there is no way to get a refund.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 4/24/2021 2:45 PM, Jim Weiss via groups.io wrote:

CAPTCHA Be Gone was created with the blind community in mind.  This is not a free service, but works with all major browsers and screen readers.

 

 

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 01:10 PM, Ryan McManomy wrote:

Hi all is there anything out there for capsha?

-
The use of Captcha as though it is one thing is not representative.  It's a function that has multiple implementations.

An example of a website on which you're having an issue with a Captcha is the only real way to know what is actually being dealt with.  There is no "one size fits all" method for dealing with Captchas, and hasn't been for quite a while.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


moderated Re: I want a good cloud drive to store files in.

 

As is Dropbox, I guess a lot depends on how much space you are looking for. I still think the 1 Tb of OneDrive storage you get with a Microsoft 365 subscription which as an individual you can have for I think $59 or $69 US is one of the best deals around as it also gives you a full licence to run Office on up to 5 devices. You simply log in to Microsoft 365 and download/install Office from there so for $5 or $6 a month you get Office as well as 1 TB of cloud storage. If you have another family member or members who might benefit from this you can get the Family plan for I think $99 US (sorry I'm in Canada so of course the CAD price here is different) and then each family member you invite can share in these benefits, I think up to 5 people). Each person can download Office and each person gets 1 Tb of OneDrive storage. If you have 4 people on the plan and provided it is $99 then essentially each person gets all of this for $25 a year.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I want a good cloud drive to store files in.

 

Microsoft's OneDrive and Google Drive are both good options, and additional space can be added, if needed, inexpensively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

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