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Re: Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hey Guys,

 

Didn’t we have a thread some time back where we discussed making the number pad independent or something like that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

 

Hi, Cristóbal. When you want to enter the Star or Slash, try the JAWS Pass through key first, JAWS key plus three on the numbers row of the laptop.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

 

Hello list,

I do a lot of number typing and because of this, I finally got tired of toggeling the numlock key on and off and forgetting what it was on. I decided to get an external numeric keypad and using it for the data entry part and leaving the onboard numpad as the navigation keys.

Anyway, I ended up buying the Jelly Comb wireless model: https://www.amazon.com/Jelly-Comb-Wireless-Receiver-Compatible/dp/B01HLTH7YE

The computer recognizes it fine with the little wireless dongle, but I’m finding that when I try to use it, Jaws will say “numlock off” for every single number on the 10-key when in the number state. Also, regardless if numlock is on or off, the / and * keys above #8 and 9 will activate as left and right mouse click. Not good if you want to punch in dates.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone’s actually using an external numeric keypad be it this one or some other model and if there’s either a fix for these particular issues or maybe there’s a specific model that plays well with Jaws?

I can even live with the numlock off announcement thing if I really, really had to, but the left and right mouse button thing I find really disruptive since without it, there’s no quick and convenient way to punch in dates.

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Re: Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Cristóbal. When you want to enter the Star or Slash, try the JAWS Pass through key first, JAWS key plus three on the numbers row of the laptop.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:21 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

 

Hello list,

I do a lot of number typing and because of this, I finally got tired of toggeling the numlock key on and off and forgetting what it was on. I decided to get an external numeric keypad and using it for the data entry part and leaving the onboard numpad as the navigation keys.

Anyway, I ended up buying the Jelly Comb wireless model: https://www.amazon.com/Jelly-Comb-Wireless-Receiver-Compatible/dp/B01HLTH7YE

The computer recognizes it fine with the little wireless dongle, but I’m finding that when I try to use it, Jaws will say “numlock off” for every single number on the 10-key when in the number state. Also, regardless if numlock is on or off, the / and * keys above #8 and 9 will activate as left and right mouse click. Not good if you want to punch in dates.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone’s actually using an external numeric keypad be it this one or some other model and if there’s either a fix for these particular issues or maybe there’s a specific model that plays well with Jaws?

I can even live with the numlock off announcement thing if I really, really had to, but the left and right mouse button thing I find really disruptive since without it, there’s no quick and convenient way to punch in dates.

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Using an external numeric keypad with Jaws and encountering some problems

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

I do a lot of number typing and because of this, I finally got tired of toggeling the numlock key on and off and forgetting what it was on. I decided to get an external numeric keypad and using it for the data entry part and leaving the onboard numpad as the navigation keys.

Anyway, I ended up buying the Jelly Comb wireless model: https://www.amazon.com/Jelly-Comb-Wireless-Receiver-Compatible/dp/B01HLTH7YE

The computer recognizes it fine with the little wireless dongle, but I’m finding that when I try to use it, Jaws will say “numlock off” for every single number on the 10-key when in the number state. Also, regardless if numlock is on or off, the / and * keys above #8 and 9 will activate as left and right mouse click. Not good if you want to punch in dates.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone’s actually using an external numeric keypad be it this one or some other model and if there’s either a fix for these particular issues or maybe there’s a specific model that plays well with Jaws?

I can even live with the numlock off announcement thing if I really, really had to, but the left and right mouse button thing I find really disruptive since without it, there’s no quick and convenient way to punch in dates.

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

Thanks for those observations.

 

Things like this are why I advocate having more than one screen reader on a system.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: mnowicki.transactional@...
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

The Windows 10 mail app is compatible with JAWS, but it works much better with NVDA. For example, when I start typing an e-mail address in the to field, NVDA reads the suggested recipients that pop up automatically, while JAWS does not. To get JAWS to read this information, I must tab out of the to field. Additionally, JAWS does not always accurately read message sender information while navigating the inbox with the arrow keys, whereas NVDA does not seem to have any trouble with this. Third, when I press enter to open a message from the inbox, JAWS frequently crashes. Sometimes, the mail app crashes along with it. I have never encountered this serious bug with NVDA running.

 

Finally, unlike NVDA, JAWS has had a difficult time keeping up with updates to the mail app. Since the app first became accessible, I have noticed accessibility regressions on at least three occasions. While VFO has always fixed these problems reasonably quickly, the issues were frustrating.

 

As a result of the above issues, I now use the Windows 10 mail app almost exclusively with NVDA, which interacts with it quite smoothly and adapts to changes faster. I hope this helps.

 

Michal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

Thunderbird is easy to get going, especially for a common email.  I don't remember the exact steps, but once you open it, it will likely ask for the email address you wish to configure,then it will give you options like whether you want pop or imap using its database or configure it yourself.  Using the database makes the process nothing to fear.

 

 

 

On 9/24/2018 11:18, Michael Amaro wrote:

Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

 

From: Chris Hill

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM

Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,

 

How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email/Skype:

 

 

Zoom Room:

 

 

Zoom ID:

 

7792849618

 

JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."

 

 


Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Juanita
 

I think I've got it. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

when a button is pressed, JAWS should repeat the name of the button followed by "pressed". maybe try refreshing the screen reading by pressing insert+escape, or pressing and holding alt down, tab and then
shift+tab.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Juanita [mailto:juanitafischer@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 8:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Mario:

This worked beautifully, though I don't know why. I still can't activate the buttons under settings. What am I missing? I can't tell if a button is pressed or not. Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Juanita, seems to be a focus issue or something. try pressing alt+f and then s for settings. press alt+tab and, without releasing the alt key, press shift+tab and release all keys, now you should be able to press
control+end to jump to the end of the page and upp arrow to and spacebar
on the advanced button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Juanita [mailto:juanitafischer@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 2:24 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Hi all:

I'm using jaws 2018 and public beta 2019 and Windows 10. On the google chrome home page, nothing I've tried will let me access the settings combo box. I've tried alt-down arrow and enter. I'm trying to get to advance settings to allow popups. Thanks in advance for any suggestions for solving this problem.

Juanita









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Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Mario
 

when a button is pressed, JAWS should repeat the name of the button
followed by "pressed". maybe try refreshing the screen reading by
pressing insert+escape, or pressing and holding alt down, tab and then
shift+tab.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Juanita [mailto:juanitafischer@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 8:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Mario:

This worked beautifully, though I don't know why. I still can't
activate the buttons under settings. What am I missing? I can't tell if
a button is pressed or not. Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Juanita, seems to be a focus issue or something. try pressing alt+f and
then s for settings. press alt+tab and, without releasing the alt key,
press shift+tab and release all keys, now you should be able to press
control+end to jump to the end of the page and upp arrow to and spacebar
on the advanced button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Juanita [mailto:juanitafischer@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 2:24 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Hi all:

I'm using jaws 2018 and public beta 2019 and Windows 10. On the google
chrome home page, nothing I've tried will let me access the settings
combo box. I've tried alt-down arrow and enter. I'm trying to get to
advance settings to allow popups. Thanks in advance for any suggestions
for solving this problem.

Juanita









.


Re: punctuation script and 2019 beta

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Hi,

Yes, that is the script I am referring to and yes, under the beta I am unable to change the punctuation levels.

 

Maybe it would be worth me exportings the settings from 2018 and importing them into the beta.

 

Tom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: punctuation script and 2019 beta

 

Hi:

 

Do you mean changing punctuation levels?  If that’s what you mean, I’m having no issues.  I can change levels of punctuation and it works fine.

 

Not sure what script you’re referring to, if that’s not it.

 

I have no issues with punctuation in the beta.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: punctuation script and 2019 beta

 

Hi,

 

I stuffed up my message the first time so now sending   a corrected version. 

 

Using: W10 64 bit Home with latest updates. And Jaws 2019 beta.

 

While the punctuation  script  continues to function normally on my system in Jaws 2018, it does not work in the 2019 beta. 

 

Has anyone else noticed this problem with the beta?

 

Would it be worth attempting to install the script again under the beta

 

 

Thanks

 

Tom

 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

Chris Hill
 

Hello.


You may not be able to go back to a version much older than you have.  I tried to go back to 52esr when my 60 or whatever was acting up a while back.  I could go back, but none of my stuff was in the old version.  It had been converted and the old deleted, apparently.  I had a backup, so it wasn't more than a minor issue.  If you are even having a problem with ff and nvda, I think you have a different problem than the rest of us.  I'd suggest a scan with malware bytes, your firefox sounds like it may have a malware problem.

On 9/24/2018 20:15, N K Shackelford wrote:
Firefox freezes completely pretty quickly after I open it. It happens
with JAWS and N V D A also. I really need to have it because I have
several sites with passwords I don't have any more and I don't want to
have to reset them all. Should I go back to an earlier version?

Thanks,

Nance

On 9/17/18, Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
<jerry.berrier=perkins.org@groups.io> wrote:
I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just
stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the
web.



Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit
up or down arrow in a document.



Any thoughts on how to remedy this?


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

N K Shackelford
 

Firefox freezes completely pretty quickly after I open it. It happens
with JAWS and N V D A also. I really need to have it because I have
several sites with passwords I don't have any more and I don't want to
have to reset them all. Should I go back to an earlier version?

Thanks,

Nance

On 9/17/18, Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
<jerry.berrier=perkins.org@groups.io> wrote:
I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just
stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the
web.



Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit
up or down arrow in a document.



Any thoughts on how to remedy this?
--
N K Shackelford
--Walk on faith and trust in love - Michael Reed--


Short: thanks. Re: Thunderbird: how to turn off the automatic getting of mail on startup?

Peter Tesar
 



On 9/24/2018 10:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Thunderbird+turn+off+automatic+send%2Freceive
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Juanita
 

Mario:

This worked beautifully, though I don't know why. I still can't activate the buttons under settings. What am I missing? I can't tell if a button is pressed or not. Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Juanita, seems to be a focus issue or something. try pressing alt+f and then s for settings. press alt+tab and, without releasing the alt key, press shift+tab and release all keys, now you should be able to press
control+end to jump to the end of the page and upp arrow to and spacebar
on the advanced button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Juanita [mailto:juanitafischer@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 2:24 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Hi all:

I'm using jaws 2018 and public beta 2019 and Windows 10. On the google
chrome home page, nothing I've tried will let me access the settings
combo box. I've tried alt-down arrow and enter. I'm trying to get to
advance settings to allow popups. Thanks in advance for any suggestions
for solving this problem.

Juanita


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Michal Nowicki
 

The Windows 10 mail app is compatible with JAWS, but it works much better with NVDA. For example, when I start typing an e-mail address in the to field, NVDA reads the suggested recipients that pop up automatically, while JAWS does not. To get JAWS to read this information, I must tab out of the to field. Additionally, JAWS does not always accurately read message sender information while navigating the inbox with the arrow keys, whereas NVDA does not seem to have any trouble with this. Third, when I press enter to open a message from the inbox, JAWS frequently crashes. Sometimes, the mail app crashes along with it. I have never encountered this serious bug with NVDA running.

 

Finally, unlike NVDA, JAWS has had a difficult time keeping up with updates to the mail app. Since the app first became accessible, I have noticed accessibility regressions on at least three occasions. While VFO has always fixed these problems reasonably quickly, the issues were frustrating.

 

As a result of the above issues, I now use the Windows 10 mail app almost exclusively with NVDA, which interacts with it quite smoothly and adapts to changes faster. I hope this helps.

 

Michal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

Thunderbird is easy to get going, especially for a common email.  I don't remember the exact steps, but once you open it, it will likely ask for the email address you wish to configure,then it will give you options like whether you want pop or imap using its database or configure it yourself.  Using the database makes the process nothing to fear.

 

 

 

On 9/24/2018 11:18, Michael Amaro wrote:

Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

 

From: Chris Hill

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM

Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,

 

How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email/Skype:

 

 

Zoom Room:

 

 

Zoom ID:

 

7792849618

 

JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."

 


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Chris Hill
 

Thunderbird is easy to get going, especially for a common email.  I don't remember the exact steps, but once you open it, it will likely ask for the email address you wish to configure,then it will give you options like whether you want pop or imap using its database or configure it yourself.  Using the database makes the process nothing to fear.




On 9/24/2018 11:18, Michael Amaro wrote:
Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,
 
How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email/Skype:
 
 
Zoom Room:
 
 
Zoom ID:
 
7792849618
 
JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Michael Amaro
 

Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,
 
How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email/Skype:
 
 
Zoom Room:
 
 
Zoom ID:
 
7792849618
 
JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Mario
 

maybe the pdf extension is set to open with Edge?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 11:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

It used to be that PDF files used to automatically open into Internet
Explorer, so why not Edge now that it's the favored browser?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Success is having the courage to meet failure without being defeated.

On 9/24/2018 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Mike,

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved
with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use
Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to
use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *mike
mcglashon
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Mr. Norton:

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person
wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained
what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those
advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you
have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to
them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that
sort on top would take the cake.

Thank you muchly.

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net
<mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>

Ph: 618 783 9331

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph
Norton
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Hi:

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS
wants it that way.

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend
installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the
reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and
accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe
Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@microsoft.com
<mailto:accessibility@microsoft.com> and mention how useless Edge is
for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Dean
Martineau
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in
Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the
application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One
will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents
where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key
and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will
probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you
to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you
can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your
system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties.
Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the
list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe
acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Shirley Tracy
*Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Thank you and a question about pdf files

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using
convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has
emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in
the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018
and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still
learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick
and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter,
and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went
directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did
Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf
attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley


Re: Thunderbird: how to turn off the automatic getting of mail on startup?

Mario
 

press alt+t and s for accounts.
open the account with a right arrow.
down arrow to server settings and tab to the two check boxes that should
be unchecked:

Check for new messages at startup check box
Check for new messages every check box

tab to and space bar on the ok button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Peter Tesar [mailto:ptesar@ca.inter.net]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 10:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thunderbird: how to turn off the automatic getting of mail on
startup?

Hello List,


I remember turning off this Thunderbird option when first starting to
use Thunderbird. I don't know what TB version it was but it was during
Windows 7.


I have just had to install Thunderbird to a new PC. Now I'm using TB
version 52.


I've gone through the TB options, to change the settings to my
preferences. I cannot find where to turn off the automatic getting of
mail on the startup of Thunderbird.


I prefer to start TB to finish dealing with the unread messages. Then,
at my convenience,  I press the F5 to get new messages.


Is the option gone from TB version 52?

Thanks for any help.


Peter T.


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

mike mcglashon
 

That’s great,

I was hoping more elaboration and backup of his positions would be forth coming, that’s all;

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 


Re: speech rates and apps.

Soronel Haetir
 

As far as I am aware that would require setting up different voice
profiles (one for each different rate you want) and then assigning the
desired profile to each application.

To set up voice profiles go to the jaws menu (alt+j), then options,
voices, voice adjustment.
Choose the starting profile then adjust the speech rate then use the
"save as" button to give it a different name.
When done hit enter and choose "no" when asked if you want to make the
current profile the default (unless you actually do, in which case
choose "yes").

To assign a profile to an application, with the program of interest
focused hit jaws+ctrl+s then tab to the application-specific profile
list and choose the profile you want to assign then hit enter. Repeat
for any other programs you want to assign a different profile to.

On 9/23/18, mark Hemmings <krammeh@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all:
haven't been a jaws list for a while and I would like some help.
can anyone tell me how I might get speech rates to vary for different
applications, without having to adjust it on the fly? if it is simple,
my mind is to highly trained to get it without an explanation.
thanks for any help.
Mark




--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Maria Campbell
 

It used to be that PDF files used to automatically open into Internet Explorer, so why not Edge now that it's the favored browser?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Success is having the courage to meet failure without being defeated.

On 9/24/2018 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 



Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley