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moderated Re: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

netbat66
 

are you logged into your google account before you go to the page?
some sites use the google captcha and if you are logged in i think it just has a verify button and when you click on it it will by pass the captcha altogether.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Issues with "I'm not a robot"



Hello,



I’m having trouble with trying to communicate with a business via email from their web site. When it says “I’m not a robot checkbox not checked it will not allow me to check that to let them know I’m not a robot. I’ve tried pressing the space bar and I’ve tried pressing enter to no avail. Is there another way to get that checked to say “I’m not a robot checkbox checked?



Thank you for any help.



Laura

moderated Re: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

Angel
 

I have fond, when listening to the audio challenges:  It is best to use head phones or ear buds.  It is easier to understand them.  If such are employed.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

 

Some websites won’t let the checkbox be checked until you enter the text they want. My challenge: even if I use the audible and hear the letters and/or numbers, I can’t always get them typed into the place where they should go.

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

 

Hello,

 

I’m having trouble with trying to communicate with a business via email from their web site.  When it says “I’m not a robot checkbox not checked it will not allow me to check that to let them know I’m not a robot.  I’ve tried pressing the space bar and I’ve tried pressing enter to no avail.  Is there another way to get that checked to say “I’m not a robot checkbox checked?

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Laura

 

 

 


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moderated Re: Downloading and using Kindle books with JAWS

Gezim Rexha
 

I installed it both on my iPhone and PC, but I don’t know how to read books at any.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Gezim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Downloading and using Kindle books with JAWS

 

If you have a smart phone, the Kindle app works fine with either Talkback on Android, or VoiceOver on an iPhone.

Or, search for Accessible Kindle for PC, and install it.

You will need to login with your Amazon account, or create one.

Sighted assistance is helpful for that login screen, as it does not read right with JAWS.

HTH,

 



Richard

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On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:



Hi list,

 

Someone sent me some Kindle books, but I can’t open them, probably because Kindle is not installed on my PC. I would appreciate if you could instruct me ho to download  and how to use it with JAWS 19.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

Glenn / Lenny
 


IE works best for my router web interface.
The other two won't show some controls.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: i agree about i e. but...

And, seriously, when that occurs loud complaints should be made to the entities in control of those websites.

It is insane to have people forced into using what is well known to be an insecure browser to enter credit card data.  It would not shock me, though I haven't checked, that it could very well be a violation of PCI compliance to allow IE use with credit card information.

Internet Explorer is not secure, period, and it is up to entities handling financially or otherwise sensitive information to get off their duffs and update their sites to use secure and modern browsers.
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moderated Re: Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

john.falter
 

Brian and others:

Try turning page refresh off to stop fast changing updates.

On 3/20/2020 1:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
One can always use Windows Task Manager as well.   I still have not honed my skills on keeping focus with a screen reader in utilities like Resource Monitor or Task Manager where the display is dynamic and constantly changing as data updates on a second by second basis.  Stuff "jumps a lot" and I haven't perfected keeping up with the jumping nor working across the various columns.

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moderated Re: restarting JAWS in default user mode

Mike B
 

Hi Martin,
 
As Dean posted, but it was below Alison's message.  Press, Insert + spacebar , then press the letter, Z, to run Jaws with its default settings, this is a toggle, so invoke the keystroke again to go back to your settings.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I didn't stop shaking hands because of, COVID-19, I stopped because noone can buy toilet paper!
But, good news!  Due to the hording of toilet paper the LA Times is temporarily changing it's name to:  The Daily Wipe!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: restarting JAWS in default user mode

Dean, Alison,

Don's know if there is an official way to do this, but this will work:
Unload Jaws first.

Go to your profile by pressing win+r and type:
shell:appdata

You will find here a freedomscientific folder.
Open this folder and go to the Jaws folder.
Here you will see foolders for the different jaws versions installed on
this computer. For example:
2019 or 2020.
Rename the folder of the jaws version you use.

Next time you start jaws a fresh profile is created.

Regards, Marten

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:53:12 -0400 "Dean Martineau" <topdot@...> wrote:

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> Recently I have lost speech on several occasions whilst typing. My husband has so far always been able to recover speech. This time we are having a lot of problems and cannot get speech to work properly again. Is it possible to unload jaws  and then reload it with jaws  defaults? Or is there another way to tackle this? I want to upgrade to jaws  20, but don't think I should do this until I have resolve my current problem.
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> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
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> I haven't used the Zoom platform with JAWS yet, but I find the iPhone app for Zoom really easy to use thus far, as long as you have an earpiece with microphone so that people don't hear voicover talking.  If I were doing a class with Zoom, I might run Zoom from my phone, leaving my laptop open for taking notes.
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> *         Alt+F1: Switch to active speaker view in video meeting
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> *         Alt+S: Launch share screen window and stop screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus
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moderated Re: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

Shirley Tracy
 

Some websites won’t let the checkbox be checked until you enter the text they want. My challenge: even if I use the audible and hear the letters and/or numbers, I can’t always get them typed into the place where they should go.

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Issues with "I'm not a robot"

 

Hello,

 

I’m having trouble with trying to communicate with a business via email from their web site.  When it says “I’m not a robot checkbox not checked it will not allow me to check that to let them know I’m not a robot.  I’ve tried pressing the space bar and I’ve tried pressing enter to no avail.  Is there another way to get that checked to say “I’m not a robot checkbox checked?

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Laura

 

 

moderated Re: restarting JAWS in default user mode

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Dean, Alison,

Don's know if there is an official way to do this, but this will work:
Unload Jaws first.

Go to your profile by pressing win+r and type:
shell:appdata

You will find here a freedomscientific folder.
Open this folder and go to the Jaws folder.
Here you will see foolders for the different jaws versions installed on
this computer. For example:
2019 or 2020.
Rename the folder of the jaws version you use.

Next time you start jaws a fresh profile is created.

Regards, Marten

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:53:12 -0400 "Dean Martineau" <topdot@...> wrote:





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 7:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom



Recently I have lost speech on several occasions whilst typing. My husband has so far always been able to recover speech. This time we are having a lot of problems and cannot get speech to work properly again. Is it possible to unload jaws and then reload it with jaws defaults? Or is there another way to tackle this? I want to upgrade to jaws 20, but don't think I should do this until I have resolve my current problem.

Sentr from my iPhone by Alison may

0777 315 8181





To switch JAWS to run the default settings, press Insert_Space, z. Do it again to switch to your personal settings.



Upgrading to JAWS 2020 might just solve your problem. Fixing a problem in an older version of JAWS doesn’t affect the newer version, so that is a possible fix.







On 20 Mar 2020, at 3:21 am, Judy Redlich <jredlichspeaks@...> wrote:

?

I really like using zoom. We use it for meetings all the time. I use it with jaws on my laptop. All without others hearing the meeting, you can take notes in word or in a text file, and hear all your jaws commands. If you are the organizer, you even hear the chat messages.

Judy

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom



I haven’t used the Zoom platform with JAWS yet, but I find the iPhone app for Zoom really easy to use thus far, as long as you have an earpiece with microphone so that people don’t hear voicover talking. If I were doing a class with Zoom, I might run Zoom from my phone, leaving my laptop open for taking notes.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: zoom




I copied the info and pasted it after the link to the Zoom support page on hotkeys:


https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom?mobile_site=true <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__support.zoom.us_hc_en-2Dus_articles_205683899-2DHot-2DKeys-2Dand-2DKeyboard-2DShortcuts-2Dfor-2DZoom-3Fmobile-5Fsite-3Dtrue&d=DwMGaQ&c=Y1KkN7JyAPjrAJTUCirS0fy9vQY8xn4_Oh4EEEpbXx4&r=-1nxI1tr9hKnIWNyLOCPlqI9Rh0Aj118fOCkSudZWTI&m=2cfEY6o-7oQu07l5etYxszXC1Gi6OOnVmnlPBEhWiTY&s=MCCb9-ha_8f9x4razIe3eW7_IbpzPDgDsQa0gMbuqG4&e=>








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You can view and edit keyboard shortcuts in your Accessibility settings.

1. Log in to your Zoom desktop client.

2. Click your profile picture then click Settings.


3. Click Keyboard Shortcuts.


4. The keyboard shortcuts will appear.


Editing Shortcuts


You can edit a shortcut by clicking on the shortcut and then pressing the shortcut key that you would like to use.

Some of the shortcuts can be used as global shortcuts, meaning they will work even when Zoom is not in focus. To enable a shortcut globally, check the option next to the shortcut.


Available Keyboard Shortcuts


* F6: Navigate among Zoom popup windows.

* Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls

* PageUp: View previous 25 video stream in gallery view

* PageDown: View next 25 video stream in gallery view

* Alt: Turn on/off the option Always show meeting control toolbar in Accessibility Settings

* Alt+F1: Switch to active speaker view in video meeting

* Alt+F2: Switch to gallery video view in video meeting

* Alt+F4: Close the current window

* Alt+V: Start/Stop Video

* Alt+A: Mute/unmute audio

* Alt+M: Mute/unmute audio for everyone except host Note: For the meeting host only

* Alt+S: Launch share screen window and stop screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

* Alt+Shift+S: Start/stop new screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

* Alt+T: Pause or resume screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

* Alt+R: Start/stop local recording

* Alt+C: Start/stop cloud recording

* Alt+P: Pause or resume recording

* Alt+N: Switch camera

* Alt+F: Enter or exit full screen

* Alt+H: Display/hide In-Meeting Chat panel

* Alt+U:Display/hide Participants panel

* Alt+I: Open Invite window

* Alt+Y: Raise/lower hand

* Alt+Shift+R: Gain Remote Control

* Alt+Shift+G: Stop Remote Control

* Ctrl+2: Read active speaker name

* Ctrl+Alt+Shift+H: Show/Hide floating meeting controls

* Alt+Shift+T: Screenshot

* Switch to Portrait/Landscape View: Alt+L

* Ctrl+W: Close current chat session

* Ctrl+Up: Go to previous chat

* Ctrl+Down: Go to next chat

* Ctrl+T: Jump to chat with someone

* Ctrl+F: Search

* Ctrl+Tab: Move to the next tab (right)

* Ctrl+Shift+Tab: Move to the previous tab (left)







Richard

"There's a nap for that."

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com







On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Judy <bunchkinbear@... <mailto:bunchkinbear@...> > wrote:

?

Hi, any tips or pointers on using Zoom would be greatly appreciated. I was able to set up an account, but had some problems with settings and muting/unmuting etc. Need to learn this fast as a class I’m in is going online for discussions. Using Jaws 2019 and windows 10. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby

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moderated Issues with "I'm not a robot"

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

I’m having trouble with trying to communicate with a business via email from their web site.  When it says “I’m not a robot checkbox not checked it will not allow me to check that to let them know I’m not a robot.  I’ve tried pressing the space bar and I’ve tried pressing enter to no avail.  Is there another way to get that checked to say “I’m not a robot checkbox checked?

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Laura

 

moderated Re: Making shortcut to desktop

 

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Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Making shortcut to desktop

Richard Turner
 

When you find the executable file for the program you want to have a shortcut to on the desktop, right click, or press shift+f10, or the application key; then arrow to Send, press the right arrow and then down arrow to desktop and hit enter.  Make sure you don’t choose send with transfer, but the one that just says send.

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Making shortcut to desktop

 

Hi list,

 

Could you please tell me how I can make shortcuts of programmes/apps on desktop?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 

moderated Making shortcut to desktop

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi list,

 

Could you please tell me how I can make shortcuts of programmes/apps on desktop?

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
IE is still secure and may not even be as nosey as Chrome.
Nothing is as nosy as the Google Chrome browser, on that we agree.

However, IE cannot be considered secure by modern standards, and no matter how often anyone says, "it's secure," there is no one, including Microsoft, that recommends its ongoing use except when it's the only option.  And at this point (and that's not Microsoft's fault) it should never be "the only option."  Organizations that have sites where it still is need to have objections raised.
 
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Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

Quick check reveals that IE 11 is, as of this writing, still PCI compliant.

But, as writer SteveB_85 noted on answers.microsoft.com topic, Internet Explorer 11 "will not be supported soon"?, ". . . use Internet Explorer to access apps that aren't compatible with Edge or other browsers but the recommendation from Microsoft is now only to use Internet Explorer for compatibility purposes."

And complain loudly when you have had to do so.
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Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

Dan Longmore
 

I understand your concerns, however IE is still secure and may not even be as nosey as Chrome.  Truth is new is not always better.  While I have switched to Chrome and Edge IE is still faithful in critical needs.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

And, seriously, when that occurs loud complaints should be made to the entities in control of those websites.

It is insane to have people forced into using what is well known to be an insecure browser to enter credit card data.  It would not shock me, though I haven't checked, that it could very well be a violation of PCI compliance to allow IE use with credit card information.

Internet Explorer is not secure, period, and it is up to entities handling financially or otherwise sensitive information to get off their duffs and update their sites to use secure and modern browsers.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

 

And, seriously, when that occurs loud complaints should be made to the entities in control of those websites.

It is insane to have people forced into using what is well known to be an insecure browser to enter credit card data.  It would not shock me, though I haven't checked, that it could very well be a violation of PCI compliance to allow IE use with credit card information.

Internet Explorer is not secure, period, and it is up to entities handling financially or otherwise sensitive information to get off their duffs and update their sites to use secure and modern browsers.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: i agree about i e. but...

Dan Longmore
 

Same experience here. IE is the default when other browsers fail. Many state agencies still rely on IE for its broad access.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i agree about i e. but...

there are still some web pages that don't work very well.
i have tried 2 times now to enter my credit card info with safeway with firefox and chrome brave and it refused to except my card. i was able to do it with i e.
neither jaws 2020 nor window eyes would work either, except with i e.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

John,

The following is not aimed at you, but at my frustration with this situation and the IDIOT who wrote that message text that's getting read.

Now Here This: You do NOT need to use IE to complete the U.S. Census online.
I completed it in Brave and know of folks who've done so in Chrome, Firefox, Edge original, and new Chromium-based edge.

This is a case where some incompetent didn't even think twice about what they were writing. Microsoft has been strongly recommending that users abandon IE for years now. To wit:



Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...
(March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer (Feb
2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and
non-expert) opinion that you should not.


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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Census survey

netbat66
 

i had no problem useing firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Binney
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

Hi John,

I did it last night and yes you must use IE. I am still using IE11 for my primary browser. From what I have read it is still secure for now.

Give Auggie hu from me.


Betsy R. Binney
meandbastet@...


On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:01 PM, John Doering <John.Doering@...> wrote:





Hello:

Has anyone completed the 2020 census on line at my2020census.gov?

At the top, it asks screen reader users to use the latest version of Internet Explorer and JAWS. I wonder how secure IE is now.

Any thoughts?



Thanks,





John Doering
Pricing Analyst

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moderated i agree about i e. but...

netbat66
 

there are still some web pages that don't work very well.
i have tried 2 times now to enter my credit card info with safeway with firefox and chrome brave and it refused to except my card. i was able to do it with i e.
neither jaws 2020 nor window eyes would work either, except with i e.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Census survey

John,

The following is not aimed at you, but at my frustration with this situation and the IDIOT who wrote that message text that's getting read.

Now Here This: You do NOT need to use IE to complete the U.S. Census online. I completed it in Brave and know of folks who've done so in Chrome, Firefox, Edge original, and new Chromium-based edge.

This is a case where some incompetent didn't even think twice about what they were writing. Microsoft has been strongly recommending that users abandon IE for years now. To wit:



Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ... (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ... (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.


--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363


Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

Michael Munn
 

hi Mr. Goldfield, I would like to join the meeting. I know a Little bit of this and a little bit of that. I hope I can be an assistance for today's conference.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:17 PM Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:

I am willing you to train on Google docs if need me

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anna Givens
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

 

I might join.

This is awesome.

 

Personally, I need training on google docs or all that google crap! Lol

I have very basic JAWS skills but as a somewhat newly blind person I get very frustrated trying to figure out what JAWS is doing. I think when it speaks, I try to imagine how things look or are formatted on a page or screen, and I think that often throws me off because I am trying to compare what I hear to what I imagine is or should be on the screen, so I get quickly frustrated when it is not saying what I think it should.

Not sure if that made sense.

But yeah. Thanks for doing this. Will see how it goes.

I will share it with some people in case they want to join.

 

Anna



On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 The Covid-19 pandemic has forced many of us to spend more time at home. Some of us are now working from home. Some of us may be staying home to stay safe. Others may be at home in order to self-isolate or quarantine. Even before all of this began there have been many opportunities for online training using meeting platforms such as Zoom. Now that more of us are forced to stay in our homes the opportunities for remote training and assistance will likely increase.

A couple of weeks ago I attended my first Ibug conference where participants are encouraged to ask questions and to provide support for one another with their iOS devices. I really liked the format of the conference but I wanted to see a similar opportunity covering topics from a Windows perspective.

I decided that I’d like to host such a conference and this will likely be the first in a series of free, online tech workshops, assuming there is enough interest in such a project.

The first of these workshops is titled, “JAWS, Just Because” and is scheduled for Friday, March 20 at 8:00 PM Eastern time. This conference will allow users of the JAWS screen reader to both ask questions as well as to provide answers to those who use the JAWS screen reader. No question is too basic or too esoteric and it should be stressed that there is no such thing as a stupid question.

For this conference I’m looking for two types of participants. First, anyone with a question regarding JAWS is, of course, welcome. Second, I’m hoping that those who are knowledgeable in the use of JAWS will also consider participating to share knowledge. Due to time constraints we won’t have time to provide lengthy support or to tandem into a user’s machine. Questions which require this type of intervention would best be addressed by Vispero’s technical support.

In order to keep the conference running smoothly I am going to adopt a similar policy which has been successfully used by iBug. Users who wish to ask a question or to provide a response should say their name, as in, “This is John.” At that point please wait to be acknowledged by the host, as in, “Go ahead, John.”

I have some other ideas for similar workshops but would like to hear some of yours so that I can determine the needs that you have as well as the level of interest. With many of us working from home are there specific applications or programs that you might want some assistance with? Programs that come to mind are Slack, Teams, etc. Would there be interest in similar workshops for NVDA users?

I would also like to invite other assistive technology trainers to write to me privately if you’re interested in assisting with any of these workshops. Many of you may have some ideas which I haven’t thought of and you surely have expertise with topics which I do not. I am unable to provide any type of compensation for any assistance you may choose to provide but the point of these workshops is to provide free assistance to those who may be spending more time at home doing work or completing other tasks. This can be a stressful time for many of us. Many kind and patient people assisted me when I was first learning about assistive technology and I just want to pay it forward and give something back to the blindness community, particularly during this time when the need for some tech help may be even greater

Here is the relevant information about the upcoming conference.

 

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