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O.Addison Gethers
 

I will put in subject line by Check

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 9:08 AM
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From: Addison Gethers [mailto:O.AddisonGethers@...]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 8:10 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io'
Subject: FW: check

 

Hello  All I’m using jaws 2018 with desktop computer window10 ,I don’t have no idea why jaws not reading the message right when I send myself new message while I was typing I knew there was something not saying right then keep on typing when I finished then I send it . I hope someone can tell me what’s the problem could be? I have some sighter friend who I have been new message telling me they don’t understand the message .

Addison

 

 

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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 12:56 PM
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Subject: check

 

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Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Dave Durber
 

Hello Sieghard:

I have 3 computers which have their full capacity RAM installed, that is, 8 GB.

Although I seldom have more than two or three programs, in addition to JAWS, open at the same time, the most system intensive program I use, is GoldWave.

In order to avoid messages, telling me that I do not have enough available memory to perform functions, I set a custom size page file to two and a half times 8 GB (20480). Since I did that, I do not get any more error messages. In fact, my systems are running more efficiently than before.

I have seen messages, that having a custom size page file, will slow down my computers but, if there is a depreciation in the speed of any of my computers, it is so slight, it has minimal effect in the performance of the systems.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New


I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a "lower" amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Hi Sieghard,

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10. It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes. Just an observation. Yours and anyone elses thoughts?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can't read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.
I guess everybody's system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC's we use there are mini PC's, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC's, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

Regards,
Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@tech-accessibility.in
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Yes, I use Office 365. JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.
Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:
Hi All,

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

32 & 64 bit:

http://jaws2019.vfo.digital/2019.1904.60.400/ED111FD1-9781-4C10-8901-711295AE5C8F/J2019.1904.60-any.exe


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

* Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
* Install MathType from
Wiris.com
and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
* In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

Visit the
Design Science
website for more details about MathType.

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

Other Changes
* When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
* JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
* In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
* Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
* If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
* If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
* The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
* In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
* Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
* Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
* Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
* If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
* For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
* Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
* You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
* The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
* When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
* In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
* Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
* Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
* Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
* Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.


Re: tutorial for Windows 10 start menu

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Ann. Whether or not to use the touch cursor is dependent upon what you
have pinned to the start menu, and what you click. For example, If Edge or
Control Panel are pinned to the Start Menu, you don't need to use the Touch
Cursor, because the Touch cursor is not required to use Edge or the Control
Panel, regardless of from where it is started on your PC.

On the other hand, If you have Microsoft News, the Windows Mail Ap, or the
Weather ap pinned to your start menu, you may need to use the Touch Cursor,
because these apps may need the Touch Cursor. It is not because they are
being started from the Start Menu. It is because the apps themselves may not
respond well to the traditional PC or Virtual Cursors.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tutorial for Windows 10 start menu

Is there a document describing the options on the windows 10 start
menu. If I arrow right to "pinned tiles" and arrow down, lots of
things appear. sometimes I am supposed to use the touch cursor
(ugh!) and sometimes that isn't required. I have just ignored all
this stuff, but it might be of value to know how best to make use of it.

thanks


Re: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Dan Longmore
 

Same issue for me. This also occurs when I search in web pages although not
all the time. For example if I type "Dan" JAWS says "An". Now if I ask
for read line or tab away and come back JAWS speaks perfectly. To date
tech support has no fix other than one tech said that FS is aware of a
problem.
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Running the same

When I type numbers, and press tab it moves to the next cell to the right
and says nothing since that cell is blank

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: May 4, 2019 8:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Excel 2016; JAWS 2019, windows 10.

When I type a number into a cel and press tab, JAWS speaks all the digits
except the first one. So '23' becomes '3', "2003'
becomes "003", '2203' becomes '203', and so on. Am I the only one
experiencing this?

thanks,

Ann


Re: tutorial for Windows 10 start menu

JM Casey
 

I don't use the start menu much and usually just run stuff by typing in
programme names from the keyboard, but you can tab away from the tiles list
to see all (or well, most) your applications.
Try the VIP software guide, it is a good primer and maybe you'll find out
some things.
http://vip.chowo.co.uk/jaws-guides/

There's one there for taskbar, which includes the start menu, and also file
explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: May 4, 2019 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tutorial for Windows 10 start menu

Is there a document describing the options on the windows 10 start menu. If
I arrow right to "pinned tiles" and arrow down, lots of things appear.
sometimes I am supposed to use the touch cursor
(ugh!) and sometimes that isn't required. I have just ignored all this
stuff, but it might be of value to know how best to make use of it.

thanks


Re: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Running the same

When I type numbers, and press tab it moves to the next cell to the right
and says nothing since that cell is blank

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: May 4, 2019 8:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Excel 2016; JAWS 2019, windows 10.

When I type a number into a cel and press tab, JAWS speaks all the digits
except the first one. So '23' becomes '3', "2003'
becomes "003", '2203' becomes '203', and so on. Am I the only one
experiencing this?

thanks,

Ann


Re: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Richard Turner
 

For me, if I just type a number in a blank cell and tab, Jaws says nothing except the next cell coordinates.
If I hit f2 first, type the number and tab, the entire number is spoken.
Lovely how inconsistent Jaws is between systems running the same versions....

Richard


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Excel 2016; JAWS 2019, windows 10.

When I type a number into a cel and press tab, JAWS speaks all the digits except the first one. So '23' becomes '3', "2003'
becomes "003", '2203' becomes '203', and so on. Am I the only one experiencing this?

thanks,

Ann


Excel not speaking the first digit when a number is entered

Ann Byrne
 

Excel 2016; JAWS 2019, windows 10.

When I type a number into a cel and press tab, JAWS speaks all the digits except the first one. So '23' becomes '3', "2003' becomes "003", '2203' becomes '203', and so on. Am I the only one experiencing this?

thanks,

Ann


tutorial for Windows 10 start menu

Ann Byrne
 

Is there a document describing the options on the windows 10 start menu. If I arrow right to "pinned tiles" and arrow down, lots of things appear. sometimes I am supposed to use the touch cursor (ugh!) and sometimes that isn't required. I have just ignored all this stuff, but it might be of value to know how best to make use of it.

thanks


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Dan Longmore
 

As an Apple user,in my opinion, VoiceOver already has voices far superior to JAWS syns and Eloquence. 

I know this is all subjective so just chiming in.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I wonder if people ever suggested it to Apple. I’ll write an email to accessibility@... and do so, maybe  you should too, if enough people asked you never know. I’m sure it would be easy enough for Apple to do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


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O.Addison Gethers
 

 

 

From: Addison Gethers [mailto:O.AddisonGethers@...]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 8:10 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io'
Subject: FW: check

 

Hello  All I’m using jaws 2018 with desktop computer window10 ,I don’t have no idea why jaws not reading the message right when I send myself new message while I was typing I knew there was something not saying right then keep on typing when I finished then I send it . I hope someone can tell me what’s the problem could be? I have some sighter friend who I have been new message telling me they don’t understand the message .

Addison

 

 

From: Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongethers@...]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 12:56 PM
To: o.addisongethers@...
Subject: check

 

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Re: set Google as my default page

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi again, Michael. I neglected to say that, after selecting Custom URL’s, you need to TAB once to the edit field where you type in the URL for your home page.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: set Google as my default page

 

I need a step by step tutorial  on doing this using Jaws with keyboard. 

Thanks 

Best Regards 

Michael munn 

 

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:37 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

You should be able to go to firefox’s options in the tools menu. The first item you’ll land on should be home page. In this edit field, type in http://www.google.com

 

Hope that helps

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 3, 2019 3:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: set Google as my default page

 

Hi all, this is Michael. i have a question on using Mozilla Firefox. 

My primary web browser is Google and i want to know how to set it as my default browser every time i open Firefox. 

All comments are greatly appreciate. 

best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

--

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

 Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 


 

--

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

 Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 


Re: set Google as my default page

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Michael.

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. Press ALT plus T, followed by the letter O for Options.

3. Press SHIFT plus TAB about three times, until it says, General.

4. Arrow down once to Home.

5. TAB six times until it says,

New Windows and Tabs Vertical
Homepage and new windows Combo box Horizontal
Firefox Home (Default)
To change the selection use the Arrow keys.

 

 

6. Arrow down once to Custom URL’s.

7. Type in the homepage you want.

8. Close Firefox.

 

That’s it.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 1:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: set Google as my default page

 

Hi all, this is Michael. i have a question on using Mozilla Firefox. 

My primary web browser is Google and i want to know how to set it as my default browser every time i open Firefox. 

All comments are greatly appreciate. 

best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

--

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

 Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 


Re: set Google as my default page

Michael Munn
 

Yes I'm a Windows 10 user 


On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:40 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I need a step by step tutorial  on doing this using Jaws with keyboard. 
Thanks 
Best Regards 
Michael munn 

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:37 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

You should be able to go to firefox’s options in the tools menu. The first item you’ll land on should be home page. In this edit field, type in http://www.google.com

 

Hope that helps

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 3, 2019 3:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: set Google as my default page

 

Hi all, this is Michael. i have a question on using Mozilla Firefox. 

My primary web browser is Google and i want to know how to set it as my default browser every time i open Firefox. 

All comments are greatly appreciate. 

best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

--

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

 Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 



--

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
 Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind





--

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
 Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Rick Mladek
 

First thing attempted…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Have you done a repair of Jaws? open the run command and type the file path to the jaws 2019 install file than a space then /repair

example:

D:\OneDrive\Utilities\J2019.1810.64-any.exe /repair

If you right click on the jaws install file then select copy as path it is much easier.

On 5/3/2019 3:00 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi,

 

Jaws 2018 was perfect and as I stated, when 2019 was released, the lag thing was the issue. The problem with spell checker and the java script problems have been around for quite some time, more than 3 versions back I believe.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.

Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?

Or NVDA or Narrator?

I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

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The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Rick Mladek
 

Randy,

 

I am CCNA Certified. I know what I am doing. I am seeking possible Jaws corrections. With the problem mentioned, Elequence also does the same, lags/sluggish with MS programs/apps, is nearly impossible to spell check (F7) and the horrible java problems. Get over your thoughts of elequence Vs. any external syn. It is not the external syn…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.

But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face

BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


locked FW: check

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello  All I’m using jaws 2018 with desktop computer window10 ,I don’t have no idea why jaws not reading the message right when I send myself new message while I was typing I knew there was something not saying right then keep on typing when I finished then I send it . I hope someone can tell me what’s the problem could be? I have some sighter friend who I have been new message telling me they don’t understand the message .

Addison

 

 

From: Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongethers@...]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 12:56 PM
To: o.addisongethers@...
Subject: check

 

Well hiisday,May 3rdI as hoeing this message illreadt properywith jawand it wavery tng jas wnoreaiproperl

  

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Have you done a repair of Jaws? open the run command and type the file path to the jaws 2019 install file than a space then /repair
example:
D:\OneDrive\Utilities\J2019.1810.64-any.exe /repair
If you right click on the jaws install file then select copy as path it is much easier.

On 5/3/2019 3:00 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi,

 

Jaws 2018 was perfect and as I stated, when 2019 was released, the lag thing was the issue. The problem with spell checker and the java script problems have been around for quite some time, more than 3 versions back I believe.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.

Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?

Or NVDA or Narrator?

I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 



Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.
But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face
BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 



Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Curtis Delzer
 

I doubt that narrator handles hardware synths? would love to be wrong wrong wrong. :)

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/3/2019 2:26 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.
Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?
Or NVDA or Narrator?
I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

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