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moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Bill Tessore
 

OK Ann Byrne, is there a URL one can go to to get this detailed Openbook manual? Or must one request a copy from the manufacturer?

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com

On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew







moderated Re: OpenBook training materials

Ann Byrne
 

There is a manual which gives detailed instructions.
. At 07:43 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?



Andrew



moderated OpenBook training materials

Andrew Summers
 

Hi,

Why is there no OpenBook training materials to download as daisy or mp3?

 

Andrew

 


moderated Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

Thanks. I appreciate the facts and logic you've provided on updates and you've swayed me to drop my bias.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:33 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
But I still think the best security when using one's computer is to apply your own common sense when choosing what to interact with.
-
About which you will get zero, and I mean zero, argument from me.  Developing safe interaction habits with cyberspace is the very, very best thing anyone can do to keep themselves safe.

This is an opportunity, for which I thank you, to repost the following:
---

Quietman7, a security expert who is an active contributor on Bleeping Computer, has written extensively on what you (any you) need to do to develop safe interaction habits with cyberspace.  The following four are, in my opinion, must-reads:

·         Users Themselves Are The Most Substantial Weakness In The Security Chain  (just that single message)

·         What you must understand regarding computer security  (also just this single message)

·         Best Practices for Safe Computing

·         Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons

--
One of the most important things he says is this:   Security is all about layers and not depending on any one solution, technology or approach to protect yourself from cyber-criminals. The most important layer is you...the first and last line of defense.

One of the most common misconceptions is that you, the end user, are not the first and last line of defense and that you can rely on things like security suites to protect you from all potential attacks.  You can't, and if you follow even most of the Best Practices for Safe Computing your security suite is very unlikely to ever flag anything.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Thanks, Adrian. You make some excellent points and I'm adapting my thinking on Microsoft Office updates.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I’m no techie, and I believe you’re more sophisticated than I in this area, but I believe your password protection is designed to guard against only an unauthorized user from gaining access to your application and system. I don’t know if MS maintains security for Office 2010 against other kinds of breaches. With Office 2016 and 2019, the updates MS periodically makes available presumably concentrate on security, updates that don’t tend to create new problems for users.

 

All the best.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

HI Adrian,

 

I got into this whole Office update thing because I recently got a new Windows 10 computer and am getting more concerned about Outlook 2010 being considered an insecure app. I was able to turn on 2 step verification for my Google Gmail account and add an app password to my Outlook 2010. Now that I believe that's under control, I think I'm just going to install Office 2010 Pro on my new computer and see how it goes.  Now I have to research moving my Outlook POP3 account to IMAP without losing my calendar and contacts as I move from my Windows 7 to my Windows 10 computer. That will be something to keep my mind occupied. I placed one of those Microsoft Office 2019 Pro licenses in my shopping cart on eBay but I'm going to think about it a bit before spending the $69.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I agree completely regarding Excel and Word and as I said in my last post, I'm becoming a convert to agreeing with the necessity of security updates especially with Outlook. But I still think the best security when using one's computer is to apply your own common sense when choosing what to interact with.

 

Thanks for your continual preaching on the security updates and focusing on their positive aspects while I adapt away from my negative outlook.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 8:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

           The amount of "exposure" is really pretty much dependent on how much you directly interact with cyberspace with any of these programs.  It's entirely possible to almost entirely avoid interacting with cyberspace with programs like Word or Excel (or PowerPoint or Publisher, too).  But the same cannot be said of any e-mail client or web browser.  This is why I limit my real concern for those two classes of program for the most part.

            And the need for constantly upgraded security (which means updates) is never going away.  If anything, the pace is increasing.  Just today, on BleepingComputer, is an article about the latest, greatest breach:  Microsoft's Windows 10, Exchange, and Teams hacked at Pwn2Own.  There's always the next very clever nefarious actor that you need to thwart.  It's an endless cat and mouse game.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

Thanks for your knowledge and comments about updates. That is why I'm on these lists to get the benefit of others who know a lot more than I do on these things. I'll be more open-minded than I have been in the past as I transition from my old computer running Windows 7 to my new computer with Windows 10 and the version of Office Pro I select.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 8:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 08:24 PM, Judy wrote:

Alan, can you still purchase office 2019?

-
One can, but if you're under the impression that this means you don't get updates, you're mistaken.

Office has been "self-updating" at least since Office 2016, possibly Office 2013.

And, as an IT professional (and taking accessibility into account), I fear the lack of updates far more than I fear updates.  As has been pointed out, when an update breaks something it's usually patched by another update in short order.

Automatic updating is a fact of life and, in the big picture, a godsend, warts and all.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Adrian Spratt
 

Alan,

 

I’m no techie, and I believe you’re more sophisticated than I in this area, but I believe your password protection is designed to guard against only an unauthorized user from gaining access to your application and system. I don’t know if MS maintains security for Office 2010 against other kinds of breaches. With Office 2016 and 2019, the updates MS periodically makes available presumably concentrate on security, updates that don’t tend to create new problems for users.

 

All the best.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

HI Adrian,

 

I got into this whole Office update thing because I recently got a new Windows 10 computer and am getting more concerned about Outlook 2010 being considered an insecure app. I was able to turn on 2 step verification for my Google Gmail account and add an app password to my Outlook 2010. Now that I believe that's under control, I think I'm just going to install Office 2010 Pro on my new computer and see how it goes.  Now I have to research moving my Outlook POP3 account to IMAP without losing my calendar and contacts as I move from my Windows 7 to my Windows 10 computer. That will be something to keep my mind occupied. I placed one of those Microsoft Office 2019 Pro licenses in my shopping cart on eBay but I'm going to think about it a bit before spending the $69.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Alan,

           The amount of "exposure" is really pretty much dependent on how much you directly interact with cyberspace with any of these programs.  It's entirely possible to almost entirely avoid interacting with cyberspace with programs like Word or Excel (or PowerPoint or Publisher, too).  But the same cannot be said of any e-mail client or web browser.  This is why I limit my real concern for those two classes of program for the most part.

            And the need for constantly upgraded security (which means updates) is never going away.  If anything, the pace is increasing.  Just today, on BleepingComputer, is an article about the latest, greatest breach:  Microsoft's Windows 10, Exchange, and Teams hacked at Pwn2Own.  There's always the next very clever nefarious actor that you need to thwart.  It's an endless cat and mouse game.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Hi Shan,

 

Maybe you could explain to me what the security risk is for using Excel 2010 or Word 2010? No software can be made that is risk-free to being attacked if one uses them without using common sense as to the spreadsheets and documents they load into them. I've done fine using older versions of Office programs through the years by exercising common sense in how I use them and will continue to operate that way rather than paying Microsoft continually to update something I really don't want updated in the first place.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 7:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If you’re running office 2010 there is more probably one should worry about in terms of security then outlook 2010 what about XL 2010 and word 2010 just a thought have a good day



On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



HI Adrian,

 

I got into this whole Office update thing because I recently got a new Windows 10 computer and am getting more concerned about Outlook 2010 being considered an insecure app. I was able to turn on 2 step verification for my Google Gmail account and add an app password to my Outlook 2010. Now that I believe that's under control, I think I'm just going to install Office 2010 Pro on my new computer and see how it goes.  Now I have to research moving my Outlook POP3 account to IMAP without losing my calendar and contacts as I move from my Windows 7 to my Windows 10 computer. That will be something to keep my mind occupied. I placed one of those Microsoft Office 2019 Pro licenses in my shopping cart on eBay but I'm going to think about it a bit before spending the $69.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Why can't we navigate by block quote in MS Word

Mark
 

In MS Word, we can style text to be a block quote. But it's not possible to use JAWS navigation keys to go to the block quotes in Word. Does anyone know why?


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 08:24 PM, Judy wrote:
Alan, can you still purchase office 2019?
-
One can, but if you're under the impression that this means you don't get updates, you're mistaken.

Office has been "self-updating" at least since Office 2016, possibly Office 2013.

And, as an IT professional (and taking accessibility into account), I fear the lack of updates far more than I fear updates.  As has been pointed out, when an update breaks something it's usually patched by another update in short order.

Automatic updating is a fact of life and, in the big picture, a godsend, warts and all.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

Hi Judy,

 

I'm pretty sure you can still purchase Office 2019 Pro directly from Microsoft but probably for the cost of your first born. I was looking at the many sellers on eBay of the Microsoft Office licenses and you can find those selling Office 2016 Pro and Office 2019 Pro from about $60 on up.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan, can you still purchase office 2019? Thanks for this info. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Shan Noyes
 

If you’re running office 2010 there is more probably one should worry about in terms of security then outlook 2010 what about XL 2010 and word 2010 just a thought have a good day


On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



HI Adrian,

 

I got into this whole Office update thing because I recently got a new Windows 10 computer and am getting more concerned about Outlook 2010 being considered an insecure app. I was able to turn on 2 step verification for my Google Gmail account and add an app password to my Outlook 2010. Now that I believe that's under control, I think I'm just going to install Office 2010 Pro on my new computer and see how it goes.  Now I have to research moving my Outlook POP3 account to IMAP without losing my calendar and contacts as I move from my Windows 7 to my Windows 10 computer. That will be something to keep my mind occupied. I placed one of those Microsoft Office 2019 Pro licenses in my shopping cart on eBay but I'm going to think about it a bit before spending the $69.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: bitching

Melissa Stott <mstott789@...>
 

I couldn’t agree with you more!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Yes! Let's put this into perspective! Brian has helped us so much, and he gives very useful advice! Let's be grateful! Let's be thankful! We live in a world where there is so much turmoil and dissension and division, let's try to make our list forms peaceful, and let us all concentrate on what we have in common, which is a lot more than what we do not have in common! Good job brian, and just be yourself and keep doing what you are doing! David Moore

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 12:14 AM Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

All I know is that I’ve found Brian’s contributions and knowledge about computing in general impressive enough to where I’ve personally contracted him to do some scripting work for my business. To have someone who not only knows their way around the more nuanced aspect of technology (I certainly don’t know how to code or script) and is also very familiar with assistive technology and in particular screen readers is a valuable resource to have.

There have maybe been one or two times where I’ve disagreed with him related to a list issue, but so what. Let’s not all drown in a glass of water. These are just mailing lists after all. Step away from the keyboard. Read a book. Get some sun. Enjoy a nice cup of coffee or music. And yes, Google is indeed sometimes your friend.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Please take criticism off list or to an administrator.

This is not what the list is for.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of German A Fermin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Changing the subject for what this has become. Not about email clients anymore.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients

 

When a blind individual is attacked, by a person not blind, I have every right to defend and go after this individual. You, have nothing to do with this so it is you who has no right to be part. Go find something to do and do not have this something you find to occupy your time something other than protecting one as this individual. How dare you be such as you are to protect one that is and has been such a troubled one in every blind group when this person is not blind himself yet will attack one blind for not knowing and openly asking for help. How dare you Don...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients

 

Rick, you are not the “all knowing,” for all blind people. If you want to criticize someone, do it privately. We’ve become very good at putting hate on someone just because we don’t like what they say, how they speak or because you don’t like their opinions, this list should not be about that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: email clients

 

I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

 


moderated Re: email clients

Judy
 

Alan, can you still purchase office 2019? Thanks for this info. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

HI Adrian,

 

I got into this whole Office update thing because I recently got a new Windows 10 computer and am getting more concerned about Outlook 2010 being considered an insecure app. I was able to turn on 2 step verification for my Google Gmail account and add an app password to my Outlook 2010. Now that I believe that's under control, I think I'm just going to install Office 2010 Pro on my new computer and see how it goes.  Now I have to research moving my Outlook POP3 account to IMAP without losing my calendar and contacts as I move from my Windows 7 to my Windows 10 computer. That will be something to keep my mind occupied. I placed one of those Microsoft Office 2019 Pro licenses in my shopping cart on eBay but I'm going to think about it a bit before spending the $69.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

 

I share your concern about Office 365’s automatic updating model. Have you considered, instead, Office 2019? I’ve read favorable reports on these lists. I have Office 2016, which works fine, but it looks as though 2019 has improvements.

 

I haven’t red this entire thread, so I apologize if I’m repeating what has already been said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: zoom equipment.

Ernest H Molina
 

               Do you per chance have the company name and email contact for the maker of the unit you are describing?

 

Ernie Molina

ehmolina@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom equipment.

 

 

Yes,  For around $12 on Amazon, you can get a little USB dongle that has a microphone and headphone jack.  Just plug it into any USB port then after it installs, press JAWS key + J to get to the JAWS context menu.  Down Arrow to the Utilities Sub menu, Right Arrow and Down Arrow to Sound Cards Sub Menu.  Right arrow and Down Arrow to the new sound card and hit Enter to select it as your new JAWS sound card.  Be sure that you plug in an ear bud or head phones to the correct jack on the dongle, because  as soon as you hit enter on the sound card, JAWS will instantly switch to this device and stop coming through your speakers.  Now, you will only hear your windows sounds and Zoom participants in your speakers and only you will hear JAWS in your ear.  To adjust the volume of JAWS, you will need to go to the Windows Mixer.

Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.

 

Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:31 AM

Subject: Re: zoom equipment.

 

Okay, I like that.

 

I knew I'd heard of some way of doing that?

 

So with the usb adapter, JaWS can't be heard by my zoom folks?  It can only be heard by me?

 

Justin

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom equipment.

 

You could use a USB sound card adapter to run JAWS through.  You can also set up Zoom to be on mute until you need to speak then press the Space bar to speak and release to be muted.  Just use JAWS when you are muted.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.

 

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 3:36 PM

Subject: zoom equipment.

 

What do I have to buy in order to use jaws and zoom on my pc without people hearing jaws?

I'd like to use jaws without earphones and have people not hear jaws.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

 

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