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moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Sean Murphy
 

All,

 

If you are talking about moving between elements. It depends on how the document object model has been built. The Document Object model is the way in which the browser stores all the information you are reviewing. There is the styling piece that comes into as well which is called the CSS. Not sure if this would effect the tab order.

 

If you have to links on the same line, they should navigate from left to right. Starting with the first link. This is of course assuming there is nothing changing the tab order.

 

The document view will show you ho the page is structured on the page. For example. If you have a line of text with a link in it. Jaws will read the whole line and announces the link as part of it. In simple layout, the first part of the line is spoken, then the link, then the remaining part of the line.

 

I hope the above helps.

 

Sean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi Judy & Bill,

 

From what I've been told after learning more about Jaws is that when you, Tab, you are going vertical on the page.  This surprised me since I had been pictureing tabbing as going horizontally across a page, like with the old school typewriters.  This comes from being pretty much self taught and having a lot of questions like this and not having any real teaching about computers or Jaws until I found the Jaws-Users group.

 

So, now let me ask, is the Documents Presentation feature supposed to change the default Jaws navigation from vertical to horizontal when tabbing?  I don't have any sight at all so I can't tell.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:07 PM

Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: insertion start and end

Sean Murphy
 

Jim,

 

 

In HTML there is a tag to indicate when text has been deleted or inserted, to inform the person of the editorial changes. This is what you are hearing. The latest release of Jaws have set the verbosity to medium. I would suggest checking this to see if you can modify it. It is found under the settings centre > html > reading

 

Sean

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim L
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 3:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: insertion start and end

 

Hiya folks,

 

Just installed the latest Jaws 2020 on my windows 7 home, what is this insertion start and end that Jaws says on some websites now? As it hasnt been there before, can I stop jaws saying that?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

moderated insertion start and end

Jim L
 

Hiya folks,

 

Just installed the latest Jaws 2020 on my windows 7 home, what is this insertion start and end that Jaws says on some websites now? As it hasnt been there before, can I stop jaws saying that?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

moderated Re: Docusign

 

John,

Drawing your signature is just one option, you can also select from some preexisting styles in which case you just type your name and it makes it into a signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.

Cheers
Zel


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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...<mailto:zel@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign

Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!




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moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

 

The Vispero toll free number is +1 800-444-4443
I am not entirely sure if you can access their tech support department from that number or if you have to call their regular number which is +1 727-803-8600
I know you can call North American toll free numbers for free with Skype, if you have to call the local number for tech support you would have to have a bit of Skype credit to do so, shouldn't cost very much and if you have an Office 365 subscription you may already have 60 minutes of Skype calling included.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got nothing back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the other day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual. If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off" just in case, but no difference.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@...>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while
windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it,
it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If you're
saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you probably
have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings for
both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu,
press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to
open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@...>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.













moderated Re: Docusign

Richele Pennock
 

Thank you very much for your feedback Mark.  


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fisher <fishsilv@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Docusign
 
Hi 
I have found it really easy to use but would echo that it is easier to download the doucments and read them offline especially large documents as the product does seem to jump around a  bit when moving through them ie long legal contracts. Signing them with Docusign however is very easy.

Mark  

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Mike B
 


Hi Judy & Bill,
 
From what I've been told after learning more about Jaws is that when you, Tab, you are going vertical on the page.  This surprised me since I had been pictureing tabbing as going horizontally across a page, like with the old school typewriters.  This comes from being pretty much self taught and having a lot of questions like this and not having any real teaching about computers or Jaws until I found the Jaws-Users group.
 
So, now let me ask, is the Documents Presentation feature supposed to change the default Jaws navigation from vertical to horizontal when tabbing?  I don't have any sight at all so I can't tell.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: How do I use the Reaper Audio Editor?

 

Your best bet for this kind of guidance is to join the Reapers Without Peepers group, right here on Groups.io.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

moderated How do I use the Reaper Audio Editor?

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

 

On the recommendation of someone, I purchased Reaper. This is an audio editor. It looks great, but I have absolutely no idea how to use it. I’d appreciate someone steering me to good instructions on how to use it.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, Jilly and Valerie

moderated Re: Docusign

Mark Fisher
 

Hi 
I have found it really easy to use but would echo that it is easier to download the doucments and read them offline especially large documents as the product does seem to jump around a  bit when moving through them ie long legal contracts. Signing them with Docusign however is very easy.

Mark  

moderated express v p n

netbat66
 

does this service work with jaws 2020 on windows 7?
i still use it. but i also have windows 10 but seldom use it.
thanks for info

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Judy
 

I wonder if it’s Win 10 that needs to be changed? Thanks to all for the help. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi again, Judy. Here's what JAWS says about Document Presentation:

 

This option controls how JAWS formats virtual documents.

Select Simple Layout to have links, form fields, buttons, and other page controls display on a separate line. This is the default setting if Smart Navigation is not enabled.

Select Screen Layout to have pages rendered in the virtual buffer in a way that is similar to what a sighted user sees on the screen. If page controls visually appear on the same line, then they will appear on the same line in the virtual buffer. In addition, all items in a single table row display on the same line. Table cells are separated by a vertical bar.

Screen Layout is used when Smart Navigation is set to Controls or Controls and Tables and cannot be changed while Smart Navigation is active.

 

I don't have Smart Navigation enabled, yet this seems to make no difference.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Google classroom comments with JAWS2020 and Google Chrome

Shai
 

Hello,
When I try to reply back or add a Google class comment using JAWS with
Google Chrome I notice that I am not able to read back the comment
when in forms mode or select and back space over the characters that
have been entered. I have tried disabling the virtual pc cursor
(insert z) with no success. I am able to use Internet Explorer but
typing is very sluggish.
I am using JAWS2020 on a Windows10 machine.
Does anyone have solutions to this issue?
Thank you in advance.

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Judy
 

Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Peter Tesar
 

I've noticed this issue.


On some web pages the links are on the same line and sometimes they are on separate lines.


I made no changes to the Jaws settings.


Now that you brought this to our attention, I'll try to notice a pattern.


Maybe it depends on the web browser, I regularly switch between IE11, Firefox and Chrome.

Maybe it depends on the web page.


Peter T.


On 4/25/2020 2:55 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi again, Judy. Here's what JAWS says about Document Presentation:

 

This option controls how JAWS formats virtual documents.

Select Simple Layout to have links, form fields, buttons, and other page controls display on a separate line. This is the default setting if Smart Navigation is not enabled.

Select Screen Layout to have pages rendered in the virtual buffer in a way that is similar to what a sighted user sees on the screen. If page controls visually appear on the same line, then they will appear on the same line in the virtual buffer. In addition, all items in a single table row display on the same line. Table cells are separated by a vertical bar.

Screen Layout is used when Smart Navigation is set to Controls or Controls and Tables and cannot be changed while Smart Navigation is active.

 

I don't have Smart Navigation enabled, yet this seems to make no difference.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Bill White
 

Hi again, Judy. Here's what JAWS says about Document Presentation:

 

This option controls how JAWS formats virtual documents.

Select Simple Layout to have links, form fields, buttons, and other page controls display on a separate line. This is the default setting if Smart Navigation is not enabled.

Select Screen Layout to have pages rendered in the virtual buffer in a way that is similar to what a sighted user sees on the screen. If page controls visually appear on the same line, then they will appear on the same line in the virtual buffer. In addition, all items in a single table row display on the same line. Table cells are separated by a vertical bar.

Screen Layout is used when Smart Navigation is set to Controls or Controls and Tables and cannot be changed while Smart Navigation is active.

 

I don't have Smart Navigation enabled, yet this seems to make no difference.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Bill White
 

Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Bill White
 

Hi, Judy. I'm getting the same behavior, no matter whether I set Document Presentation to Simple or Screen Layout. Seems to make no difference when using TAB to traverse the page.

 

By the way, I'm using Internet Explorer to test the behavior of Document Presentation, not because I think IE is the best, but because, when they implemented these settings, that was the browser that was most used at the time.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Judy
 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 

moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Randy Barnett
 

Yes it is document presentation mode but it will pop up as the only choice after you type half of presentation.

On 4/25/2020 10:30 AM, Mike B wrote:

 Original Message 
Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy
 
From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.
HTH
Norma
 
From: Mike B.
Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center
Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation
Mike