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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

John Doering
 

Jim,

Try this…

Open Crome.

Then control :l together.

This will put you in an edit field.

Type in either a web page i.e. amazon.com or terms for a search.

Hit enter.

It should go to the web site if that is what you put in or if you used search terms, it will show you a Google results page.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst 

 
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

 

Hi all,

I have the tutorial here, by David Moore. I have read it, and am still having issues. I can’t even get to a web site I want. So, I open Chrome. I hit the windows key up arrow to make sure that chrome is maximized. Then I try to type in the web site I want. And so I hit Control O, and before I can type in anything, I hear, OAKPT2. So I back space that out, and type in what I want. And I hear an ok button. So I hit the space bar, and nothing happens after that. I am running windows ten and jaws 2019. What the heck am I doing wrong? I want to use this browser as my default, but not if it is this hard to use. Jim


trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

I have the tutorial here, by David Moore. I have read it, and am still having issues. I can’t even get to a web site I want. So, I open Chrome. I hit the windows key up arrow to make sure that chrome is maximized. Then I try to type in the web site I want. And so I hit Control O, and before I can type in anything, I hear, OAKPT2. So I back space that out, and type in what I want. And I hear an ok button. So I hit the space bar, and nothing happens after that. I am running windows ten and jaws 2019. What the heck am I doing wrong? I want to use this browser as my default, but not if it is this hard to use. Jim


Re: Using Google Chrome

Van Lant, Robin
 

I hear that a lot on a couple sites, especially the web-based HR software my company uses.  I agree that it doesn’t seem to do anything.  Someone on one of these lists once said it might be the site designer trying to implement accessible design functions, but not fully doing it.  Maybe like creating an alt tag for an image, but not typing any meaningful text in it.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 7:02 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Google Chrome

 

I’m using windows10 and Jaws2018 or jaws 2019. I’m on a web site and it says to press jaws key plus alt plus r to get descriptive text. I do and nothing is read. It doesn’t matter what web site I do this on nothing is read. The site tells me to do those key strokes. Is there something else I need to do? Or is the HTML code not setup for a alt label to state something about a link? Thanks, Kevin



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Re: accessible project management/collaboration software

Van Lant, Robin
 

So many directions you can go with this question.  We use SharePoint here at work, which works fine with JAWS if you are using it to check in and out documents, but not so great if you are trying ot edit actual pages. 

 

I haven’t used the Google suite, but it sounds from other people like that could be an option. 

 

I’ve never heard good accessibility things for Miscrosoft Project.  We tend to use Excel here for the project plan and SharePoint for sharing documents. 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: accessible project management/collaboration software

 

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul



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Re: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

Steve Nutt
 

This is one reason I think Narrator will become really good.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 14 February 2019 15:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

I have found that he is now a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft

On 2/14/2019 9:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

After the demise of Window Eyes what happen to Doug Geoffray? Is he
still part of VFO











Re: accessible project management/collaboration software

paul lemm
 

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks for the reply. I’ll check that one out, as better to have something with some accessibility  than none at all. I’ll also keep hunting around to see if I find anything  which works or is a little smoother for a jaws/screen reader user.

 

Thanks for the help and advice.

 

Paul

 

 

main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible project management/collaboration software

 

Paul,

 

I used MS Project manager several years ago. I was able to enter data for the various steps and sub steps in the project, but was not able to actually "see" the flow diagram nor the fishbone diagram. With care and lots of trial and error I was able to use it, but not very efficiently.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: paul lemm

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:33

Subject: accessible project management/collaboration software

 

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul


Re: The menu bar in Firefox does not seem to be always visible

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Richard. Perhaps Full Screen is checked in the view menu of Firefox. You can go to View, with ALT plus V, and arrow up to see if Full Screen is checked. If it is, this will hide the menu. You can also toggle this full screen setting with F11. But it won’t tell you which way it is toggled. So, it is better and easier to use ALT plus V, followed by Up Arrow to see if the full screen menu is checked. It is not one of those check boxes which are unchecked with the space bar. Instead, if full screen is checked, press ENTER on the menu option for Full Screen.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: The menu bar in Firefox does not seem to be always visible

 

Hi!

 

Even though I have the View > Toolbars > Menu Bar “checked” in Firefox, it does not seem to be always visible.  When I press only the alt key, nothing happens.  However, if I press for example alt+f, then the menu bar *is* visible; and I can then navigate it.  How can I make the menu bar always visible?

 

I am using the latest builds of both JAWS 2019 and Firefox, and running under Windows 7.

 

Thanks,

Richard


The menu bar in Firefox does not seem to be always visible

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

Even though I have the View > Toolbars > Menu Bar “checked” in Firefox, it does not seem to be always visible.  When I press only the alt key, nothing happens.  However, if I press for example alt+f, then the menu bar *is* visible; and I can then navigate it.  How can I make the menu bar always visible?

 

I am using the latest builds of both JAWS 2019 and Firefox, and running under Windows 7.

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Combo boxes are, by their very nature, a hybrid between a text box that allows you to type in data and a dropdown box that allows you to select it.  As a general rule, typing the first character will get you the first item with that character (if there is more than one), if you then type the second character it will limit the choices to those that share those first two characters.

If you know what the values are in these long lists just start typing, you should soon be limited to one.

The best analogy I can give outside excel of the same behavior is the state box in a USPS ZIP Code lookup.  If you go to, https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?bycitystate,  Then enter anything in the city, tab over to the state, and pick any state where you know that there are multiples that start with the same letter.  In my case, Virginia.  If I type V in that field the first thing that pops up is "VT - Vermont," if I hit V again it shows "VI - Virgin Islands," and if I hit V again finally "VA - Virginia."  If, though I actually type VA it instantly closes to Virginia.   This is the sort of behavior you typically see in a combo box, regardless of the context.

If you had a Combo Box where the four choices were the male names, "Alexander, Bradley, Brian, Christopher," typing an A would instantly close on the first and a C on the last.  A single B would start with Bradley and if you hit it again, shift to Brian.  Since both of the B names start with BR you'd get even the same thing typing the first two characters.  But typing B R A would immediately bring up only Bradley.

In any case, once you're familiar with the entries you typically use, just typing enough of the characters necessary to close on the correct choice is usually the fastest way to get it if the list is very long.
--

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Re: accessible project management/collaboration software

Dave...
 

Paul,
 
I used MS Project manager several years ago. I was able to enter data for the various steps and sub steps in the project, but was not able to actually "see" the flow diagram nor the fishbone diagram. With care and lots of trial and error I was able to use it, but not very efficiently.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: paul lemm
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:33
Subject: accessible project management/collaboration software

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul


accessible project management/collaboration software

paul lemm
 

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

Jaws is saying that these are combo boxes.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

No it doesn’t. It would seem as though the only way to navigate a drop down list in Excel is either with the up and down arrows or by going to the beginning or end of the list with the home or end keys on the keyboard. You can also use the page up or page down keys, but you cannot quickly jump to an item in the list. I have even tried using the Jaws Find command but it doesn’t work in a drop list.

 

 

Scott

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Does first-letter navigation work, once the box is opened?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 08:15

Subject: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Jay <jcoffin@...>
 

Hi.

 

I’ve forwarded this message to Vispero Technical support. I’ll reply back to the list when I have an answer.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Dave...
 

Does first-letter navigation work, once the box is opened?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 08:15
Subject: Drop Down List in Excel

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Re: Using Waterfox

netbat66
 

thats because you have to reload waterfox the first time so it can detect your screen reader.
another thing, if you switch screen readers while waterfox is running there function keys will not work until you reload waterfox
if you are going to switch screen readers you have to do it before waterfox is loaded. then it will work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Actually, it's now working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber








Re: Using Waterfox

Patrick Kwanashie
 

Actually, it's now working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber








Re: Using Waterfox

Patrick Kwanashie
 

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber