From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

The Logitech K360 allows you to program custom hotkeys for the Function Key row, and if you do so you must use the Fn key plus the corresponding function key to make that custom hotkey execute.

The main support page for this keyboard is:  https://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/keyboard-k360 

Going to the Downloads page for the K360 shows there's a specific program you use with the keyboard to program it called, SetPoint.  This program is also mentioned in the Quick Start Guide, which documents the pre-programmed functions for the enhanced F-keys, listing what Fn+ with each F-Key does.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

Which I hate and which is why I changed it on my Logitech K780 keyboard so that the F Keys work by themselves as expected. My Asus laptop fortunately had the regular F Key functions without having to do anything, but I have yet to see a laptop where this can't be changed, you may need sighted help for it as in some cases it may be something in the BIOS, you would have to find out from the manual of your laptop how it's done.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

If you want to press the  f numbers you have to press the fn key. 

For example: 

in laptop you want to press Jaws key with f4 key to quit Jaws you press the Jaws key in conjunction with the fn key and f4 to quit Jaws. 

 

On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...> wrote:

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniele Casarola
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 an Excel cell reading.

Hi,
my name is Daniele, from Italy.

I use Jaws since a short period, so I'm pretty new to this world,I've studied a lot so I hope my question are not too much noob questions.
Thanks in advance for reading.

During my workflow I use Microsoft Excel Home and Student 2016, Italian version. My Jaws version is 2018 italian language.
I often need to copy text content of a cell in Excel.

What I do is to navigate using arrow keys to a cell.
Jaws gives me correctly audio feedback of the cell content.
Then I press F2 to edit the cell because I need to copy some content of the cell, not the whole content.
Using CTRL Left Right Arrow and CTRL SHIFT Left Right Arrow I navigate the text of the cell and I select the part of text I need.
The problem is that each time I press the combination of keys above, audio feedback is always the whole content of the cell.
So I don't know where is the cursor when I move and what I'm selecting.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Daniele.

i don't know when this happened. grin.
but if i change the file view to the detailed view i get the index numbers i

guess you call it.
if i right arrow once then arrow down it will announce the item number like
1
of 100 as i arrow down the list. but it is the last thing announced.
i looked in the speech verbocity and beginner options and announce item
numbers was already checked. so i did not make any changes there.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8,
reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or
whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of
files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what
I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder
1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is
the
count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:

I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim

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For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8,
reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of
files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder 1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is the
count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:

I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim

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Yes, this does seem to be the way the world works now, it is the same in my industry which is outdoor and hunting/shooting. Well-known brands like North Face, Icebreaker Merino clothing, Arcteryx and so on all exist as a brand, but they have all been bought by large corporations who own sometimes dozens of brands and often even competing brands. North Face, for example is owned by Vanity Fare Corporation, an American worldwide apparel and footwear company founded in 1899, they recently bought Icebreaker which back in the mid 90's started the merino wool revolution in outdoor apparel after in the 80's everybody was into Polypropelin and Fleece and the synthetic materials were praised to heaven. They also own Smartwool which when both were independent companies were direct competitors. They also own Jann Sport Packs, Eastpak, Timberland shoes and they used to have a lingerie line/division which they sold to Fruit of the Loom. As soon as somebody starts a small company, designs a unique and in the end successful product it seems to be just a matter of time until they are bought out by some big guy. In the hotel industry a few large corporations now own most of the familiar hotel brands such as Best Western, Hilton, Delta, Holiday Inn and so on.

In this thread some of the Jaws bashers kept pointing out that Jaws may not even be around 10 years for now and of course nobody knows, but they are certainly doing anything right from a business point of view and I have a sense that they are a well-run company unlike Greyhound, for example. Yes, I know this isn't even Apples and Oranges, it's Apples and nails comparing those organisations, but a company is either well run and successful or poorly run and in decline. Greyhound recently pulled completely out of Canada except for some routes in the east and one route from Vancouver to Seattle and while they say it's because people nowadays either drive or fly, a lot of it is also because they just couldn't be bothered to change with the times and offer a modern bus experience. There was just now an article on CBC News about a german bus company called Phlixbus who now is considering coming into Canada to take over inter-city bus travel. They are owned by 3 mid-thirties German entrepreneurs who started the business not all that long ago and they are now in 28 countries including California and some other States and are quickly becoming the global dominance in bus travel. I don't want to go too much into the details, but they don't even own their busses but partner with existing bus companies and are more of a tech company providing the logistics similar to how Uber doesn't own their cars but uses people with their own vehicles to drive for them.

Vispero seems in my opinion to be a company who has a clear vision of where they want to be, yes, those who used Window Eyes for 20 years are sad that it's gone, but buying up a smaller competitor to shut them down is also normal business practice and it makes good sense. While competition is healthy this can often also be beneficial since the larger company may eventually incorporate good aspects of the competition into their own product and with Microsoft stepping up development of Narrator and with NVDA doing a good job it is not like Jaws is without competition.

Regards,

Sieghard

Angel,

Thanks, Nermin, now I learned something, "Postalphabet", I didn't know that one. I am german and speak it fluently, but I left there 29 years ago at the age of 22 so especially technology terms are sometimes more familiar to me in English than in German.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nermin via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

no, that would be the military alphabet or, as you’d rather say in German, “Postalphabet”. IPA is the international phonetic alphabet, which uses symbols to represent the sounds used in different languages. Vowels, different phoneme combinations, etc., are represented visually for someone to be able to pronounce a word or sentence properly (Lautschrift).

 

As for the original question, here is a page trying to make JaWS cope with IPA, but I don’t know if it’s being maintained.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~reng/jaws-ipa.html

And another for Braille and IPA:

http://www.iceb.org/icebipa.htm

 

Regards,

Nermin

It’s a Logictech wireless keyboard.

Pastor Gil

As I said, if the F Keys work as expected then pressing FN along with various Function keys will probably do things like mute, turning volume up or down, maybe change brightness etc. If you maybe provided the brand and model of your keyboard others who have the same keyboard could give you a more relevant answer. Essentially you can think of the FN key like a sort of shift or modifier key, it is typically used with the function keys and it causes a function key to perform a function different from that which it does when pressed by itself.

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

Thanks for reply.

Pastor Gil

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

Thanks,

Pastor Gil

As I said, if the F Keys work as expected then pressing FN along with various Function keys will probably do things like mute, turning volume up or down, maybe change brightness etc. If you maybe provided the brand and model of your keyboard others who have the same keyboard could give you a more relevant answer. Essentially you can think of the FN key like a sort of shift or modifier key, it is typically used with the function keys and it causes a function key to perform a function different from that which it does when pressed by itself.

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

Thanks for reply.

Pastor Gil

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

Thanks,

Pastor Gil

I’m not at my computer right now, but going off of memory, I believe this is
a setting you can tweak in the verbosity settings of Jawss. There is
beginner, intermediate and advanced… Im each one, there are a series of
checkboxes you can check or uncheck depending on the behavior you wish.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com>
wrote:

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives
me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus
numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of
items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must
be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting
might be.

Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there
are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@gmx.com> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in
13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:

I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim

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