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moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

Cristóbal
 

Ha... mystery solved.
Starting with the April 2021 updates of JAWS and Fusion, Grammar detection
in Settings Center is on by default for all applications except Word and
Outlook. This enabled JAWS and Fusion to automatically announce grammatical
errors in web-based editors like Google Docs.
If you're getting this in Outlook or Word, then who knows. Maybe thigs just
went wonky during the installation. As has been mentioned it's easy enough
to go into the corresponding settings to adjust this behavior.


Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalmuli@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:55 AM
To: 'main@jfw.groups.io' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: RE: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

I was about to say, isn’t this a setting in Jaws? I know I've turned these
settings off.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

Now that I think about it.
They probably need to check their Word settings.
Grammar as you type and spelling as you type are also word settings under
its options proofing.

Yes, I want Jaws to speak up if I make a typo, or run words together, but I
don't want to hear every punctuation mark while reading.
That is likely a Jaws setting.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

I go all the way back to 2018 JAWS and have always had spelling or
grammatical mistakes read out to me. It could be as simple as not putting a
space after a comma, JAWS tells me about it. Mind you it has never been to
the extent that is mentioned below. My point is though, reading out
mistakes is not new.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: April 7, 2021 5:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

this is a new feature of JAWS 2021, latest build. Go to settings center,
text processing, proofing. You can turn it off there.
At 04:30 AM 4/7/2021, you wrote:
Hello
Today I installed JAWS 2021.2103.174. I am using Microsoft Office
2010 on my Windows 10 desktop PC. Since this, I am getting all sorts of
feedback on my Word files including grammatical and spelling errors
plus word counts and other extra unwanted information.
I went into the settings centre for , text processing and proofing but
was totally confounded by the options although I did alter Word classic
to Word only, without any change. Any help would be appreciated as I
am not a "power" user.

Kind regards

Lindy


moderated Re: email clients

 

Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My main issue with Microsoft 365 Personal is being able to control when the component apps are updated. I really don't like my computer or its resident software doing my thinking for me. Is it possible to get Microsoft 365 and turn off automatic app updates?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: JAWS with Drop Box

Marianne Denning
 

Thank you very much.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS with Drop Box

 

That is interesting because,

My version doesn’t read the labels for the edit boxes, just says “edit”

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS with Drop Box

 

I have just done this in the last couple of days.

Open dropbox on your computer.

Arrow down to the folder you want to share.

Use the applications key, or shift+f10 and select share.

You will have a few boxes, the main two you want are whose email address you want to share it with, if you want them to have full editing rights, etc., and a message box to tell them anything you think they need to know, and tab to send and hit enter.

It’s done.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS with Drop Box

 

How do you share a Drop Box folder with other people? I am running the latest version of JAWS and Windows 365. I would also like to know how to do this with Windows 2019.


moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

Cristóbal
 

I was about to say, isn’t this a setting in Jaws? I know I've turned these
settings off.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

Now that I think about it.
They probably need to check their Word settings.
Grammar as you type and spelling as you type are also word settings under
its options proofing.

Yes, I want Jaws to speak up if I make a typo, or run words together, but I
don't want to hear every punctuation mark while reading.
That is likely a Jaws setting.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

I go all the way back to 2018 JAWS and have always had spelling or
grammatical mistakes read out to me. It could be as simple as not putting a
space after a comma, JAWS tells me about it. Mind you it has never been to
the extent that is mentioned below. My point is though, reading out
mistakes is not new.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: April 7, 2021 5:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to
be announced

this is a new feature of JAWS 2021, latest build. Go to settings center,
text processing, proofing. You can turn it off there.
At 04:30 AM 4/7/2021, you wrote:
Hello
Today I installed JAWS 2021.2103.174. I am using Microsoft Office
2010 on my Windows 10 desktop PC. Since this, I am getting all sorts of
feedback on my Word files including grammatical and spelling errors
plus word counts and other extra unwanted information.
I went into the settings centre for , text processing and proofing but
was totally confounded by the options although I did alter Word classic
to Word only, without any change. Any help would be appreciated as I
am not a "power" user.

Kind regards

Lindy


moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

Richard Turner
 

Now that I think about it.
They probably need to check their Word settings.
Grammar as you type and spelling as you type are also word settings under its options proofing.

Yes, I want Jaws to speak up if I make a typo, or run words together, but I don't want to hear every punctuation mark while reading.
That is likely a Jaws setting.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

I go all the way back to 2018 JAWS and have always had spelling or grammatical mistakes read out to me. It could be as simple as not putting a space after a comma, JAWS tells me about it. Mind you it has never been to the extent that is mentioned below. My point is though, reading out mistakes is not new.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: April 7, 2021 5:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

this is a new feature of JAWS 2021, latest build. Go to settings center, text processing, proofing. You can turn it off there.
At 04:30 AM 4/7/2021, you wrote:
Hello
Today I installed JAWS 2021.2103.174. I am using Microsoft Office
2010 on my Windows 10 desktop PC. Since this, I am getting all sorts of
feedback on my Word files including grammatical and spelling errors
plus word counts and other extra unwanted information.
I went into the settings centre for , text processing and proofing but
was totally confounded by the options although I did alter Word classic
to Word only, without any change. Any help would be appreciated as I
am not a "power" user.

Kind regards

Lindy


moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

David Diamond
 

I go all the way back to 2018 JAWS and have always had spelling or grammatical mistakes read out to me. It could be as simple as not putting a space after a comma, JAWS tells me about it. Mind you it has never been to the extent that is mentioned below. My point is though, reading out mistakes is not new.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: April 7, 2021 5:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

this is a new feature of JAWS 2021, latest build. Go to settings center, text processing, proofing. You can turn it off there.
At 04:30 AM 4/7/2021, you wrote:
Hello
Today I installed JAWS 2021.2103.174. I am using Microsoft Office
2010 on my Windows 10 desktop PC. Since this, I am getting all sorts of
feedback on my Word files including grammatical and spelling errors
plus word counts and other extra unwanted information.
I went into the settings centre for , text processing and proofing but
was totally confounded by the options although I did alter Word classic
to Word only, without any change. Any help would be appreciated as I
am not a "power" user.

Kind regards

Lindy


moderated Re: bitching

David Diamond
 

This thread reminded me of a lecture about complaining.  Complaining is like when you are snoring, it does not bother you but bothers others. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: April 7, 2021 7:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Here here!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 9:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

All I know is that I’ve found Brian’s contributions and knowledge about computing in general impressive enough to where I’ve personally contracted him to do some scripting work for my business. To have someone who not only knows their way around the more nuanced aspect of technology (I certainly don’t know how to code or script) and is also very familiar with assistive technology and in particular screen readers is a valuable resource to have.

There have maybe been one or two times where I’ve disagreed with him related to a list issue, but so what. Let’s not all drown in a glass of water. These are just mailing lists after all. Step away from the keyboard. Read a book. Get some sun. Enjoy a nice cup of coffee or music. And yes, Google is indeed sometimes your friend.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Please take criticism off list or to an administrator.

This is not what the list is for.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of German A Fermin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bitching

 

Changing the subject for what this has become. Not about email clients anymore.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients

 

When a blind individual is attacked, by a person not blind, I have every right to defend and go after this individual. You, have nothing to do with this so it is you who has no right to be part. Go find something to do and do not have this something you find to occupy your time something other than protecting one as this individual. How dare you be such as you are to protect one that is and has been such a troubled one in every blind group when this person is not blind himself yet will attack one blind for not knowing and openly asking for help. How dare you Don...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients

 

Rick, you are not the “all knowing,” for all blind people. If you want to criticize someone, do it privately. We’ve become very good at putting hate on someone just because we don’t like what they say, how they speak or because you don’t like their opinions, this list should not be about that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: email clients

 

I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

Richard Turner
 

In my experience, and I think others as well, it is best to go to the web site and download the file and install it, rather than using the update from with in Jaws.

I’ve had no problems doing it that way while those who seem to have problems have updated from within the Jaws update.

Puzzling,

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lindy
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

 

Hi
I am using eloquence and although going into settings followed by text processing and then proofing didn't work, I then tried directly with the Word program. I went into options,  and control tab to proofing and unchecked things under there. Voila - it worked and I was getting these plus word count, repeated headings etc. I don't know what I did but the only conscious change that I had made was to download and install the JAWS update directly using the update notification

Thanks All for your suggestions

cheers

Lindy


moderated Re: email clients

David Diamond
 

There are generally government grants one could get to help out if cost is a problem.  The thing is, you need to know who to talk too and if you have some pride, swallow it.  This was when we could walk around in public with no restrictions, if showing up for one of those interviews, don’t show up in expensive clothing but don’t have rags on either. One person lamented on not getting any help for purchasing a device she needed to help her with her vision problem.  She dressed like a homeless person, hair uncombed etc.  so it was suspected that’s why she did not get any financial assistants. Office 365 costs I believe $99 per year for the ability for 5 users to use it.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: April 7, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Latest JAWS update causing all grammatical, spelling errors to be announced

Lindy
 

Hi
I am using eloquence and although going into settings followed by text processing and then proofing didn't work, I then tried directly with the Word program. I went into options,  and control tab to proofing and unchecked things under there. Voila - it worked and I was getting these plus word count, repeated headings etc. I don't know what I did but the only conscious change that I had made was to download and install the JAWS update directly using the update notification

Thanks All for your suggestions

cheers

Lindy


moderated Re: problem with new version of Jaws

T. Civitello
 

“            Check your sound card properties and make sure that Enhancements and Spacial sound are turned off.”
Spacial sound are turned off but could not find  Enhancements.   Tom
 

Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: problem with new version of Jaws
 

Check your sound card properties and make sure that Enhancements and Spacial sound are turned off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 7:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: problem with new version of Jaws

 

Ever since I installed the new version of Jaws this morning, Jaws sounds like it is in a box or empty room. Every once in a while the old Jaws voice comes back for a few seconds and them it reverts to the hollow sounding voice which is hard to understand. Anyone else having this problem?  Tom


moderated Re: JAWS2021 April Update, Build 2103.174, Download Link + What's New

Van Lant, Robin
 

I’m excited about the new Excel placemarkers feature. Question:  I understand why we cannot use K to move to the set placemarkers in excel, as you do in a webpage.  Wondering if the Alt Windows K combination is used elsewhere or if this is the first time this keystroke is being used for moving to a placemarker. My head is a jumble of JAWS shortcuts!

 

• Set a PlaceMarker on the current cell, press CTRL+WINDOWS+K. Only one PlaceMarker can be set per worksheet.
• Move to the cell PlaceMarker on the current worksheet, press ALT+WINDOWS+K. To move to a cell PlaceMarker on another worksheet, first press CTRL+PAGE
UP or CTRL+PAGE DOWN to move to the specific worksheet.
• List all cell PlaceMarkers in the workbook, press ALT+CTRL+WINDOWS+K.
• Select all cells between the cell PlaceMarker and your current location, press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by M.

Robin

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS2021 April Update, Build 2103.174, Download Link + What's New

 

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Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link + what's new in this April update release of J2021.2103.174.

 

 

 


What's new in this release:

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2103.174 (April 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the February 2021 release and the April 2021 update.

 

Voice Assistant
list of 6 items
• By default, Voice Assistant listens for the word "sharky" before accepting any commands. However, to help decrease the possibility of starting Voice
Assistant when you didn't intend to, you now have the option to change the wake up phrase to "hey sharky" instead. You can change this from the JAWS Utility
Menu by choosing Voice Assistant, and then selecting Settings. We strongly recommend changing the wake word to "Hey Sharky."
• It is no longer necessary to say the word "toggle" when turning on or off features including Audio Ducking, Screen Shade, Speech On Demand, or the Virtual
Cursor. For example, saying "Sharky, Audio Ducking" now turns this feature on or off depending on the current state.
• When changing the speech rate, you now only need to say "Sharky, Voice Rate" followed by a number. For example, "Sharky, Voice Rate 50" sets the speech
rate to 50 percent. You can even just say the number, and the speech rate will change appropriately.
• To launch the JAWS Dictionary Manager, you now only need to say "Sharky, Dictionary."
• Voice Assistant now immediately stops listening once you have spoken a command. This helps in situations where someone else may begin talking which could
cause Voice Assistant to not process the command correctly.
• Voice commands that generate speech output now work as expected even if JAWS and Fusion are set to Speech On Demand.
list end

 

PlaceMarkers Now Available in Excel Workbooks

 

You can now use Placemarkers to mark cells in an Excel workbook similar to how they are used in Word documents. The following commands are now supported:

 

list of 4 items
• Set a PlaceMarker on the current cell, press CTRL+WINDOWS+K. Only one PlaceMarker can be set per worksheet.
• Move to the cell PlaceMarker on the current worksheet, press ALT+WINDOWS+K. To move to a cell PlaceMarker on another worksheet, first press CTRL+PAGE
UP or CTRL+PAGE DOWN to move to the specific worksheet.
• List all cell PlaceMarkers in the workbook, press ALT+CTRL+WINDOWS+K.
• Select all cells between the cell PlaceMarker and your current location, press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by M.
list end

 

Microsoft Teams
list of 4 items
• Updated the JAWS INSERT+W help to now include all currently available Teams keystrokes.
• Resolved an issue in Teams where messages were double speaking in chat pop out windows.
• If you press CTRL+PERIOD to display all Teams commands, JAWS now also reminds you about using INSERT+W as an easier way to access this information.
• Removed the ALT+T command as you can now use the Teams keystroke, CTRL+3, to move focus to the Teams and Channels tree view.
list end

 

Support for Reading Comments and Other Revision Types in Goodle Docs

 

In Google Docs, JAWS and Fusion now indicate the following as you navigate documents:

 

list of 3 items
• Text that includes comments. When JAWS indicates you are in a section of text that has a comment, press ALT+SHIFT+APOSTROPHE to read the associated comment
including any replies. Press ALT+SHIFT+APOSTROPHE twice quickly to activate the Virtual Cursor and move focus to the comment details page. Press ESC to
return to the document.
• Text that has been inserted or deleted.
• Text that is highlighted or has been called out for some reason, such as a section of text in a document currently being edited by another user. JAWS
says "mark" and "end mark" as you move in and out of this highlighted text.
list end

 

If you prefer to not receive announcements for one or more of these items, open Settings Center and turn off Comment announcement, Inserted text announcement,
Deleted text announcement, or Marked text announcement. All of these options are located in the Proofing group under Text Processing.

 

New Installation Command Line Option for Disabling External Services

 

Starting with the April 2021 releases of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, when performing a full install, IT professionals and network administrators can add
the /DisableExternalServices command line option to turn off all product features that reach out to the internet. For example:
c:\\InstallerPackage.exe /DisableExternalServices

 

Once JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion is installed after using this command line option, features that are no longer available for use include Research It, FS
Support Tool, Voice Assistant, Error Reporting, JAWS Tandem, Picture Smart, and Anonymous Usage Data Collection. Note that using the software in a remote
access environment will still be available. Turning off features that connect to the internet is especially important for installs in secure locations
such as banks, hospitals, and government agencies.

 

For more information, run the setup package with the /Help command line option.

 

Other Changes
list of 13 items
• When joining a Zoom meeting and you are prompted to enter your name, addressed an issue where JAWS was not reading the name already in the edit field
if the screen resolution was set higher than 100 percent, which is common on most modern laptops. This caused users to enter their name again which in
turn caused it to be read multiple times in meetings.
• In Excel, resolved a reported issue where JAWS was saying "entering table" when pressing F2 to edit a cell's contents.
• When navigating a worksheet in Excel using the mouse in JAWS or Fusion, cell contents are now read first followed by the cell coordinates.
• In Microsoft Word, when encountering text in a document that is both a heading and a link, resolved a reported issue where JAWS was not indicating the
link.
• Addressed a reported issue where JAWS was unexpectedly displaying an error message in Outlook when pressing ALT+SHIFT+L from the body of a new message
to list misspelled words.
• Addressed a reported issue where JAWS was not reading as expected when reviewing a message in GMail and focus landed on text that was part of a link.
• Starting with the April 2021 updates of JAWS and Fusion, Grammar detection in Settings Center is on by default for all applications except Word and Outlook.
This enabled JAWS and Fusion to automatically announce grammatical errors in web-based editors like Google Docs. See the following
TSN
 for more details.
• Updated the descriptions in JAWS Commands Search (INSERT+SPACEBAR, J) for the Append Selected Text to Clipboard (INSERT+WINDOWS+C) and View Clipboard
Text (INSERT+SPACEBAR, C) commands to help clarify that these features are especially useful when you only want to copy and paste text without extra formatting.
• Resolved a reported issue where JAWS was not indicating the state of check boxes in the BARD Express app in braille.
• Resolved an issue with selecting text in console windows at high resolution settings.
• Removed the Business Search Research It lookup source due to changes to the website which no longer allows us to retrieve information.
• Removed the ability to use JAWS to customize message lists in Mozilla Thunderbird based on changes in the way list views are presented which caused this
feature to no longer work as expected in this application.
• Turkish is now included as an available language option during a full install.
list end

 

 

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moderated Re: Outlook and signatures

Richard Turner
 

I did all that because of passed issues with this with no luck. 

Of course, when I checked just now, it worked as it should.

Maybe there was a gremlin covering the screen before, who knows.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and signatures

 

Hi Richard,

 

Try this:

1. Alt + F followed by T for Options, arrow down to Mail and press Alt + N to go to the Signatures button, activate it

2. If you already have a signature tab past all the buttons like Bold, Underline etc. until you get to the edit field

3. Tab again and you should ge tto "OK", now press Shift + Tab and you probably hear "Get signature templates Link", press Shiftv + Tab again and you are back in the edit field. For me I can now review and edit the signature text, not sure why it seems to be invisible to Jaws when you first get to the edit field, but tabbing past it and back works for me.

If you start by pressing Shift + Tab after you get to signatures you get to the OK button right away, then to the Get signature templates Link and then to the edit field, but once again at first Jaws reads nothing until I tab back out again and back twice into the edit field. Of course it should work right away, but if this works for yu as well then I find this an acceptable work-around.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 7:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and signatures

 

Does anyone know if there is a setting that will make Jaws actually read the text in the Signature settings under Options, mil, Signatures?

 

Narrator reads it just fine and makes editing it a breeze.

Jaws is completely speechless in that edit box.

 

Windows 10 Home, JAWS Version 2021.2103.174.400, Microsoft 365, Vocalizer Expressive Tom Enhanced.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: Outlook and signatures

 

Hi Richard,

 

Try this:

1. Alt + F followed by T for Options, arrow down to Mail and press Alt + N to go to the Signatures button, activate it

2. If you already have a signature tab past all the buttons like Bold, Underline etc. until you get to the edit field

3. Tab again and you should ge tto "OK", now press Shift + Tab and you probably hear "Get signature templates Link", press Shiftv + Tab again and you are back in the edit field. For me I can now review and edit the signature text, not sure why it seems to be invisible to Jaws when you first get to the edit field, but tabbing past it and back works for me.

If you start by pressing Shift + Tab after you get to signatures you get to the OK button right away, then to the Get signature templates Link and then to the edit field, but once again at first Jaws reads nothing until I tab back out again and back twice into the edit field. Of course it should work right away, but if this works for yu as well then I find this an acceptable work-around.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 7:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and signatures

 

Does anyone know if there is a setting that will make Jaws actually read the text in the Signature settings under Options, mil, Signatures?

 

Narrator reads it just fine and makes editing it a breeze.

Jaws is completely speechless in that edit box.

 

Windows 10 Home, JAWS Version 2021.2103.174.400, Microsoft 365, Vocalizer Expressive Tom Enhanced.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: problem with new version of Jaws

Ron Pelletier
 

Hi,

 

I installed the latest version of JAWS 2021 yesterday and have had no problems at all up until now. The voice is absolutely normal.

Did you install the update?  If so, I recommend that you go to the Vispero site and download the full version and install it right on top of yours. This is a much better practice since many updates have resulted in problems and installing the full updated version has fixed them.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: problem with new version of Jaws

 

Ever since I installed the new version of Jaws this morning, Jaws sounds like it is in a box or empty room. Every once in a while the old Jaws voice comes back for a few seconds and them it reverts to the hollow sounding voice which is hard to understand. Anyone else having this problem?  Tom


moderated Re: email clients

 

If cost isn't an issue I recommend Microsoft 365 because as long as you also run the latest version of Jaws you will typically get the best experience. I say typically because I have once or twice experienced situations where an Office update may have cause temporary issues, but since Microsoft Accessibility as well as Jaws usually are made aware of these such issues usually don't last too long before a fix from Microsoft or Jaws addresses the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I understand about security updates and their importance and expect it's time to move to a newer version of Microsoft Office. I'm not a fan of subscription models and their continuous updates and believe the best security for one's computer is smart practices for how it's used. Now I just need to decide which perpetual version of Office I can still obtain at a reasonable price.

 

Alan lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 12:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

-
Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: problem with new version of Jaws

 

Check your sound card properties and make sure that Enhancements and Spacial sound are turned off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 7:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: problem with new version of Jaws

 

Ever since I installed the new version of Jaws this morning, Jaws sounds like it is in a box or empty room. Every once in a while the old Jaws voice comes back for a few seconds and them it reverts to the hollow sounding voice which is hard to understand. Anyone else having this problem?  Tom


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

 

If that happens usually bringing up the links listing with Insert + F7 works. The issue is that even though Jaws speaks the link, somehow the focus is not exactly on it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Funny you mention this, as I had this exact problem with a recent e-mail. A friend sent me several Dropbox links, all of which I could open either by press enter on the link or using the context menu to open the link. But there was just one in the whole list which, when I hit enter on the link, took me to the subject line and when I tried again, looking in the context menu, I couldn't actually find the option to open the link. As this was just one of about a dozen links, I assumed the sender hadn't entered the details properly.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: 06 April 2021 17:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: email clients

 

Rick, maybe you can ask Brian for a tutorial on how to send a message directly to a list member rather than to the list in general, but then of course sometimes when this happens one really sees deeper into another person's personality and I must say your insults and petty attitude do not say much about yours.

. You keep going on about how you stand up for all us poor blind people who "need" Brian's help and we are just all afraid to fall in line behind your personal fude with Brian.

I unfortunately have to tell you that you apparently live in a fantasy world, not all of us are needy and put up with Brian's personality because we can't live without his technological expertise. Furthermore and I have pointed this out before, why don't you just ignore Brian's posts if they get you so riled up. Have you ever worked in a company with a number of employees? Have you ever been part of other organisations with a number of members who need to interact and get along with each other? I would assume the answer is no because if you had or were you would know that in almost any large group there will be people who clash because of their personality and if they can't see past their differences and learn to either tolerate or ignore each other, nothing good ever comes of it. The result then is exactly what is happening here, one person starts a smeer campaign against another, that person is joined by one or two others who also feel that way towards the other person but who normally may not act on that themselves and of course the other person may or may not stand up against all the insults and misinformation. In this case there is you, Randy and I believe somebody called Gerald who has voiced some support, then there is Brian and what seems to be a rather large majority of other list members who seem perfectly fine with him and who think your little vandetta is simply over the top.

I have a business and employee only 3 to 5 people but even there I had situations when I hired somebody who just would not get along because of some issue they had. In one case a part-time employee came to me and asked me to basically fire my store manager who has worked for me for 15 years, he is a nice guy and liked by just about all other employees I have had and, what is more, he is liked by a large majority of my customers. But he is not afraid to speak his mind and he doesn't put up with any BS. When I told her I could hardly do this she told me on the spot "well then I'll quit" and that was that, she left and all was back to normal.

I do hope Brian remains steadfast in his willingness to remain a member of this list, he left the Windows 10 group, but I would strongly encourage him to stick it out and from now on to simply ignore your jabs and insults, if you can't learn to tolerate or at least ignore his posts then I suggest that you leave along with all those who you say messaged you privately and start a new Jaws group, if you are the nmoderator you can then indulge your powers and kick anybody off your list if they say something you don't like, but spare the rest of us who simply want to discuss Jaws and who are either here to learn or to help.

Remember Matthew 7:5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

This will be my last comment regarding this.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

My appologies, that was to be direct but I made a mistake and sent direct through the list. I appologize and I’m not arguing against my thoughts towards him when one was attacked and now you all attack me for standing up for him as I would for any other blind person on this list he attacks. Again, my mistake putting this through the list and not direct to Randy.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Umm, who is the one calling names? 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Hi Randy,

 

I’m writing to apologize for my losing my patience with that jerk Brian Vogel again. He attacks blind people and I’ve witnessed this on different groups and what is as disgusting is those who defend him because he is valuable to the group, as they say. He may know about JFW and being he is not blind is what I cannot excuse and stay quiet. He is sighted and attacks those as yourself, blind, because of asking a question or addressing his sighted comments towards some specific topic. He has attacked women who are blind on other groups and I went off on him and he left the group. I really do not know why he is such a follower of the blind but his disrespect is just what I must stand up and fight him and his ways as well as those that defend him just because they need him to continue to help their technological needs. I could go on about that idiot but I’ll go and just want to let you know I was defending you and his attack on you as he does to many on these groups. If we do not put an end to his personal attacks, then who will? I’m sorry if I over-stepped my boundries but just know I was on your side trying to get that jerk to shut up.

 

Always,

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

As always there are different points of view. But telling a blind person they are basiclly incompatent becuase something is written in a large bold box is not cool. I am surprised you think it is ok.

On 4/6/2021 8:34 AM, Don Walls wrote:

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Outlook and signatures

Richard Turner
 

Does anyone know if there is a setting that will make Jaws actually read the text in the Signature settings under Options, mil, Signatures?

 

Narrator reads it just fine and makes editing it a breeze.

Jaws is completely speechless in that edit box.

 

Windows 10 Home, JAWS Version 2021.2103.174.400, Microsoft 365, Vocalizer Expressive Tom Enhanced.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

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