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moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

Bill,

I'd bring this up with Freedom Scientific/Vispero support.  They are not reading information that is part and parcel of that dialog, and that is clearly exposed such that other screen readers can see it.

It has been ages since I've had a difference in how JAWS and NVDA read a dialog box, and there's absolutely no reason for JAWS to be omitting that information in this context, as it is part of the dialog box itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. Here's what I get when I load a pdf file with Adobe Acrobat DC reader. I took this from JAWS History. Note at the end, after I have used the GoTo Page SHIFT plus CONTROL plus N command, there is an edit box, and I am on page 1. there is no way to arrow down to a total page announcement, or to tab to any other announcement. This is not a document which needs OCR.

 

Portillo’s, California.pdf
‎10/‎18/‎2012 ‏‎5:44 PM Adobe Acrobat Document 367 KB
210 of 265
To move to an item press the Arrow keys.
Portillo’s, California.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader DC (32-bit)
Reading Order: Combo box‑
Infer reading order from document (recommended)
1 of 3
To change the selection use the Arrow keys.
Alt+r
Read the entire document radio button‑ checked‑
2 of 2
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
alt+d
Do not show this dialog again. Use the settings from the Reading Preferences. check box‑ not checked‑
To check press Spacebar.
alt+a
Start Button‑
To activate press spacebar.
alt+S
Portillo’s, California.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader DC (32-bit)
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Go To Page dialog‑
Page: Edit‑
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Type in text.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 05:11 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. The CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command does not tell you how many pages are in the document. Besides that, if the document is not text, and requires OCR scanning through JAWS, the CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command will not be available.

-
I'm back at home and I can say, unequivocally, that it does tell you how many pages.  I just had NVDA announce, "Goto page dialog, of 70, page, edit selected, 3," in Adobe Reader DC for the 70 page document I have open.  Substitute that 3 with whatever page, and it still announces "of 70" in this document.  It announces "of {total page number here}" in any document I have open and for which I invoke this dialog.

OCR is a completely separate issue, and one not asked about nor addressed by me because of that.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Converting WMA files to MP3 with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

i'm sure there are lots of audio conversion programs out there.
GoldWave has a nice batch mode that takes a little time to learn its various options; but is well worth it.
Or if it is just a few files, you can open them and do a save as and pick the format you want.
www.goldwave.com



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, leonard morris <lmorris1953@...> wrote:


Have you tried gold wave

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Cliff Self <cliff@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 6:10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Converting WMA files to MP3 with JAWS
 

I used to use VLC for this, but now it is even less accessible than it was before.  Any suggestions for a safe and easy way to convert files?

 

Thanks,

 

Cliff


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 05:11 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Brian. The CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command does not tell you how many pages are in the document. Besides that, if the document is not text, and requires OCR scanning through JAWS, the CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command will not be available.

-
I'm back at home and I can say, unequivocally, that it does tell you how many pages.  I just had NVDA announce, "Goto page dialog, of 70, page, edit selected, 3," in Adobe Reader DC for the 70 page document I have open.  Substitute that 3 with whatever page, and it still announces "of 70" in this document.  It announces "of {total page number here}" in any document I have open and for which I invoke this dialog.

OCR is a completely separate issue, and one not asked about nor addressed by me because of that.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

kevin meyers
 

Thanks for all the suggestions. The PDF file is on my laptop. The first time I went into it I was able to move up and down and Jaws read the text. The next time I went into it Jaws had a hard time reading the text. The PDF file is in the download folder. I did try pressing control/shift and N and it kept creating new folders. When I went into the PDF again I went into Jaws cursor when I was being asked how to open the file. Jaws couldn’t read anything. I did go into the PDF and pressed control end to move to the bottom of the document. I don’t know if it went to the bottom. I used the Jaws cursor and once again Jaws couldn’t read anything. Like the page is blank. When I wentinto the file the first time I never got the message of Jaws asking about using OCR to provide the text. Any thoughts of a setting that might clear this up?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 4:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

Hi, Brian. The CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command does not tell you how many pages are in the document. Besides that, if the document is not text, and requires OCR scanning through JAWS, the CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command will not be available.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

Mario,

I'm not in a position to check at the moment, but I thought that dialog told you the total number of pages, if you wait for it, as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Converting WMA files to MP3 with JAWS

leonard morris
 

Have you tried gold wave

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Cliff Self <cliff@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 6:10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Converting WMA files to MP3 with JAWS
 

I used to use VLC for this, but now it is even less accessible than it was before.  Any suggestions for a safe and easy way to convert files?

 

Thanks,

 

Cliff


moderated Converting WMA files to MP3 with JAWS

Cliff Self
 

I used to use VLC for this, but now it is even less accessible than it was before.  Any suggestions for a safe and easy way to convert files?

 

Thanks,

 

Cliff


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. The CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command does not tell you how many pages are in the document. Besides that, if the document is not text, and requires OCR scanning through JAWS, the CONTROL plus SHIFT plus N command will not be available.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

Mario,

I'm not in a position to check at the moment, but I thought that dialog told you the total number of pages, if you wait for it, as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Bill White
 

Yes, and if you go to the end of the pdf before you issue the CONTROL plus
SHIFT plus N command, that will be the total number of pages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

Mike, just to make a point (and distinction), Kevin was asking to know
the (total) number of pages in a PDF. Brian's suggestion only reports
what page number the reader is on.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:58 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
 Another way:
From:
Brian Vogel
I do not know of a JAWS keyboard shortcut to announce page numbers, but
I do have a workaround you can use.
If you issue the, Go To Page Number, command, CTRL + SHIFT + N, the
number shown in the edit box when the dialog opens, and on which you
have focus, is
the current page number in the PDF document itself.  Hitting Escape
without doing anything leaves you exactly where you were, and you have
your page number.
Brian

From:
Mario
In addition to Brian's work around, you could also turn on the JAWS
cursor to read a line of 1/52, 2/52, 3/52, or whatever number of pages
are in the PDF, reviewing line by line up towards the top of the screen
(in other words, above the top of the document).
Mario

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: number of pages in a PDF

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared.
before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of
the Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this
information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor,
there is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total
number of pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in
a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or
landscape? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi Mario,

If you open the pdf with Google Chrome, right after the edit field to enter
a page number, there is a number there of the total amount of pages. And as
you read the document, you can use the JAWS cursor to arrow up and it will
tell you exactly what page the PC cursor is on. But, I am pretty sure there
are other work arounds.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 4:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

Mike, just to make a point (and distinction), Kevin was asking to know the
(total) number of pages in a PDF. Brian's suggestion only reports what page
number the reader is on.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:58 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
 Another way:
From:
Brian Vogel
I do not know of a JAWS keyboard shortcut to announce page numbers, but I do
have a workaround you can use.
If you issue the, Go To Page Number, command, CTRL + SHIFT + N, the number
shown in the edit box when the dialog opens, and on which you have focus, is
the current page number in the PDF document itself.  Hitting Escape without
doing anything leaves you exactly where you were, and you have your page
number.
Brian

From:
Mario
In addition to Brian's work around, you could also turn on the JAWS cursor
to read a line of 1/52, 2/52, 3/52, or whatever number of pages are in the
PDF, reviewing line by line up towards the top of the screen (in other
words, above the top of the document).
Mario

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: number of pages in a PDF

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared.
before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of the
Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this
information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor, there
is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total number of
pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> Hello, I’m using the
most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I use Adoeby Acrobat reader.
Is there a way to tell the number of pages in a PDF file? Is there a way to
determine if the page is portrait or landscape? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

 

Mario,

I'm not in a position to check at the moment, but I thought that dialog told you the total number of pages, if you wait for it, as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Rahul Bajaj
 

To build on previous comments, you could open the PDF, go to the last
page, and press control+shift+n. The last page number = total number
of pages in the PDF.

Rahul

On 05/08/2021, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mike, just to make a point (and distinction), Kevin was asking to know
the (total) number of pages in a PDF. Brian's suggestion only reports
what page number the reader is on.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:58 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
 Another way:
From:
Brian Vogel
I do not know of a JAWS keyboard shortcut to announce page numbers, but
I do have a workaround you can use.
If you issue the, Go To Page Number, command, CTRL + SHIFT + N, the
number shown in the edit box when the dialog opens, and on which you
have focus, is
the current page number in the PDF document itself.  Hitting Escape
without doing anything leaves you exactly where you were, and you have
your page number.
Brian

From:
Mario
In addition to Brian's work around, you could also turn on the JAWS
cursor to read a line of 1/52, 2/52, 3/52, or whatever number of pages
are in the PDF, reviewing line by line up towards the top of the screen
(in other words, above the top of the document).
Mario

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: number of pages in a PDF

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared.
before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of
the Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this
information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor,
there is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total
number of pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in
a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or
landscape? Thanks, Kevin














--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Mario
 

Mike, just to make a point (and distinction), Kevin was asking to know the (total) number of pages in a PDF. Brian's suggestion only reports what page number the reader is on.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:58 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
 Another way:
From:
Brian Vogel
I do not know of a JAWS keyboard shortcut to announce page numbers, but
I do have a workaround you can use.
If you issue the, Go To Page Number, command, CTRL + SHIFT + N, the
number shown in the edit box when the dialog opens, and on which you
have focus, is
the current page number in the PDF document itself.  Hitting Escape
without doing anything leaves you exactly where you were, and you have
your page number.
Brian

From:
Mario
In addition to Brian's work around, you could also turn on the JAWS
cursor to read a line of 1/52, 2/52, 3/52, or whatever number of pages
are in the PDF, reviewing line by line up towards the top of the screen
(in other words, above the top of the document).
Mario

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: number of pages in a PDF

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared.
before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of
the Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this
information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor,
there is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total
number of pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in
a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or
landscape? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Mike B.
 

 Another way:
 
From:
Brian Vogel
I do not know of a JAWS keyboard shortcut to announce page numbers, but I do have a workaround you can use.
 
If you issue the, Go To Page Number, command, CTRL + SHIFT + N, the number shown in the edit box when the dialog opens, and on which you have focus, is
the current page number in the PDF document itself.  Hitting Escape without doing anything leaves you exactly where you were, and you have your page number.
Brian
 
From:
Mario
In addition to Brian's work around, you could also turn on the JAWS
cursor to read a line of 1/52, 2/52, 3/52, or whatever number of pages
are in the PDF, reviewing line by line up towards the top of the screen
(in other words, above the top of the document).
Mario
 
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: number of pages in a PDF

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared.
before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of
the Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this
information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor,
there is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total
number of pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@...]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in
a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or
landscape? Thanks, Kevin








moderated Re: number of pages in a PDF

Mario
 

when the PDF is first opened, it's number of pages needs to be prepared. before pressing the ok button, it should mentioned towards the top of the Adobe Reader window. I'm able to use the JAWS cursor to find this information. if after the process is finished, using the JAWS cursor, there is a line under the menubar that states something like 1/total number of pages.

I don't know of any other way. maybe someone else can enlighten us.

-------- Original Message --------
From: kevin meyers [mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com]
Subject: number of pages in a PDF
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 3:02 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in
a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or
landscape? Thanks, Kevin


moderated number of pages in a PDF

kevin meyers
 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I use Adoeby Acrobat reader. Is there a way to tell the number of pages in a PDF file? Is there a way to determine if the page is portrait or landscape? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Thunderbird Issue

Chris Hill
 

I can only think of two reasons why the  outgoing server password would not be accepted.  Well, three actually.  !.  The mail provider changed a security setting, 2.  The password was changed by the user or three, the profile was damaged.  If it wasn't 1 or two, you know what the answer is.  I'd be doing a chkdsk on the drive just to make sure bigger problems aren't incoming.


As far as getting the old profile back.  I've never heard of using import to do that, you simply grab the stuff and put it in the proper profile folder.



CH



On 8/3/2021 19:20, clarence carter via groups.io wrote:

My wife uses Thunderbird. Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, it would not accept the password for the outgoing server.

 

After a few attempts at getting it to accept the password, I attempted to roll back to an earlier version.

 

That when the fun started.

 

It crashed the machine and I had to come back in.

 

When I did that I discovered that the profile that was associated with Thunderbird was lost. I got help from AOL  to recreate the profile. Later I attempted to find the e-mail folders, and addresses, but I could not recover them.

 

I have considered just calling it a day and switch her over to Outlook. However, that is not what she is use to using. Is there a way that I can recover the old profile? I have looked and I cannot find it.

 

I had a sighted person look, but they got a bunch of files that would not convert. If you have a way to import those files that would help also.

 

The import function is useless within Thunderbird.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

PS

 

I had this happen to me years ago, and I just jumped to Outlook and had it find everything. Is that still doable with the recent Thunderbird versions?

 

Thanks!


moderated Thunderbird Issue

clarence carter
 

My wife uses Thunderbird. Suddenly a couple of weeks ago, it would not accept the password for the outgoing server.

 

After a few attempts at getting it to accept the password, I attempted to roll back to an earlier version.

 

That when the fun started.

 

It crashed the machine and I had to come back in.

 

When I did that I discovered that the profile that was associated with Thunderbird was lost. I got help from AOL  to recreate the profile. Later I attempted to find the e-mail folders, and addresses, but I could not recover them.

 

I have considered just calling it a day and switch her over to Outlook. However, that is not what she is use to using. Is there a way that I can recover the old profile? I have looked and I cannot find it.

 

I had a sighted person look, but they got a bunch of files that would not convert. If you have a way to import those files that would help also.

 

The import function is useless within Thunderbird.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

PS

 

I had this happen to me years ago, and I just jumped to Outlook and had it find everything. Is that still doable with the recent Thunderbird versions?

 

Thanks!


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
You can try assigning the shortcut keystroke from a different Jaws icon, and I believe it will solve anyone's disappearing keystroke problem.  I assign my
pin to Taskbar shortcut and any Jaws version I want to assign a hot key keystroke to, from this Jaws icon and never have to mess with it after a Jaws build update.  Try the following:
1. Open the Start menu, navigate to the Programs folder and open it.

2. Use first letter navigation to the version of Jaws you want to assign the shortcut keystroke to.  Press the letter, J, until you reach JAWS2018, for example.

3. With the preferred version of JAWS highlighted Press enter or right arrow to open, up or down arrow to, JAWS, and this is the icon that you want to use for creating the shortcut keystroke.

4. So, with the JAWS icon highlighted press, Alt + Enter, to open the JAWS properties, or press the applications key or Shift + F10 to open the context menu, and press enter on properties.

5. Assign your keystroke, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, and press Enter.
 
Now you shouldn't have any more problems with assigned keystrokes getting deleted.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020.  There were too many complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt + Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4.  There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away.  Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q.  That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

I understood that without the explanation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

I think that's what Glen and I were trying to tell *you* lol


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

The desktop icon is just a shortcut. It will not uninstall the older version
of JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford

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