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Focus 14 - Grade 2 braille
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi all,
For those of you that own a Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, how can one modify the output of the main settings menus so they show in grade 2 braille? As is, when ai navigate through the settings such as clock, connections, repeat, calendar, etc., they are listed in grade 1 braille. I'd like to change the braille output to grade 2 or preferably UEB. Thanks, JR
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Focus 14 - Refreshing the screen
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi all,
I'm having a bit of a problem on my Focus 14 5th Gen braille display. When first turning on the device, and when I press the command to show the current date (Menu key + dots 1-4-5) the manual states I should be able to press any cursor routing button to return focus to the time on the main screen. This command doesn't work reliably in that the date continues to show as if it is stuck. As a possible solution, does anyone know how to refresh the output on the braille display? In JAWS one can press JAWSKey+Escape to refresh what is written on the screen. I'm wondering if such a command works on a braille display. Thank you, JR
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Re: Focus 14 - Charging cable
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi all,
Regarding my request for help finding a shorter USB charging cable for the Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, I don't want to be rude or anything, but I'm looking for specific suggestions by someone whom is using the device. :) JR
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Re: speaking passwords
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi Netbat,
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Using JAWS, try activating the password edit field (any edit field) then press Insert+2 until you hear "None." You can now enter a password and not hear any feedback whatsoever. You are activating the JAWS "Typing echo setting." You will likely have to return the setting back to the way it was before you modified it. Simply press and hold the Jawskey then press the #2 repeatedly until you find the setting of your choice. To make life easier on yourself, you should find a website for which you are asked to enter a password and practice entering the password while JAWS is conveying "star, star, star). At some point you will get use to it. There are thousands of JAWS users out there, and this is not a prevalent problem. JR
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66 Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 4:37 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords been there. did that. i use window eyes for passwords then reload jaws. a complete waste of time when they could give us the option to turn keypresses on or off in settings. they could set it up so it needed a password to change this setting. then only the administrator would be able to change it. this would meet the vfo criteria for security in the work place. -----Original Message----- From: Feliciano G Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords For your security, speaking passwords is not available on some screen readers like JAWS for Windows. A workaround that sometimes works is to type the password on your choice of word processor and then copy and paste it onto the password textfield. #Privacy #TypingEcho Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:50 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote: because sighted people can see the keyboard. we can not. and with me i can not concentrate on the passwords i enter with it saying star star star with every key press. -----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords If sighted users can't see the password why should we? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords Dam shame that FS doesn't think its users have the capacity to make a decision to speak passwords or not. On 8/17/2018 4:47 PM, netbat66 wrote: rots of ruck. i asked for this last year and vfo told me this was a security risk and they would not allow this with any versions of jaws. and why not? i am not a business this is home with only me. no one else is going to see the passwords. unless my dog can talk. grin -----Original Message----- From: Don H Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: speaking passwords With both Window Eyes and NVDA you have a option to speak passwords as you type them in. I sure would like to see this feature in JAWS.
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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
Hi, I had posted a pe years back that eloquence and nvda and was a 64 bit version of windows, I lost my drive and don't feel like making it again, does anyone have a copy of it, it did not have all of those extra programs as they don't all come from trusted sources so I would suggest beeing careful as the pe posted here has all of these extra programs and any code can be run unsigned in the pe environment.
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From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:17 PM Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws? this p e version does have n v d a speech if you know how to create the boot media and set it up. i would try this on a flash drive. i do not know if any system changes you make would be retained when you quit the p e program because it is loaded into memory. so if you created the p e program on a cd no changes would be saved. i do not know about useing a flash drive. *** you have to have someone change the boot order in system bios so the computer will boot from the u s b port first. then the c drive. the document file included has the steps to get this version of p e working. http://opopanax.net/download/ -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:06 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws? On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote: Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator Not under Windows P E you can not, or not any version that I've ever laid hands on. What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech. I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time. If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it. If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: paprika recipe manager?
Jessica D
Hi, The app is not accessible at all.
Can you, or someone else make jaws scripts?
Thanks, Jessica
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:57 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: paprika recipe manager?
Hi, Jessica. If the app is 100% accessible, what do you need JAWS to fix?
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Hi I’m a huge fan of Paprika recipe manager.
I’m using jaws 18, with windows 10.
This app is 100% enaccessible.
Can jaws fix this?
Thanks, Jessica
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Re: programs for opening . rar files
Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
7zip, is free
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From: "Jed Barton" <jedbarton@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:29 PM Subject: Re: programs for opening . rar files do you have to buy winzip or 7zip, or do they have free 1s, was just curious.
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Re: speaking passwords
David & his pack of dogs
It was indeed an African gray and yes they do have the ability to mimic anything one guy dog users told her doc to go to the bathroom and the African gray mimicked her voice so the guy dog dropped his load in the middle of the floor
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 8:49:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:31 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Here is a true story.And I have no doubt it is true if the parrot was an Amazon or African Gray, particularly the latter. I have two parrots, a blue and gold macaw and an African gray, that are both rescues. Pepper, the gray, when we got him could and did produce the answering machine messages from his former owner as if he were a tape recorder. I cannot imagine how long his previous owner must have kept messages before deleting them, as they don't learn anything without hearing it again and again and practicing (and you can hear when they're doing that). I'm sure if I kept any screen reader on for long enough, and on the same document, he'd start "reading" that document at random in the voice used by the screen reader. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Focus 14 - Charging cable
ely.r@...
Is the cable specific to the device or does it use a USB with the three
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standard connectors? If it is USB then places like Staples or Amazon would have such in a variety of lengths and connectors. Rick
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:27 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Focus 14 - Charging cable Hi all, I just purchased a Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, and I'm loving it so far. I do have a question. I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of a short charging cable. The cable in the box is way too long, so I'm looking for a shorter cable. All help is welcomed. JR
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Re: speaking passwords
netbat66
been there. did that.
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i use window eyes for passwords then reload jaws. a complete waste of time when they could give us the option to turn keypresses on or off in settings. they could set it up so it needed a password to change this setting. then only the administrator would be able to change it. this would meet the vfo criteria for security in the work place.
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From: Feliciano G Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords For your security, speaking passwords is not available on some screen readers like JAWS for Windows. A workaround that sometimes works is to type the password on your choice of word processor and then copy and paste it onto the password textfield. #Privacy #TypingEcho Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:50 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote: because sighted people can see the keyboard. we can not. and with me i can not concentrate on the passwords i enter with it saying star star star with every key press. -----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords If sighted users can't see the password why should we? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords Dam shame that FS doesn't think its users have the capacity to make a decision to speak passwords or not. On 8/17/2018 4:47 PM, netbat66 wrote: rots of ruck. i asked for this last year and vfo told me this was a security risk and they would not allow this with any versions of jaws. and why not? i am not a business this is home with only me. no one else is going to see the passwords. unless my dog can talk. grin -----Original Message----- From: Don H Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: speaking passwords With both Window Eyes and NVDA you have a option to speak passwords as you type them in. I sure would like to see this feature in JAWS.
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Focus 14 - Charging cable
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi all,
I just purchased a Focus 14 5th Gen braille display, and I'm loving it so far. I do have a question. I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of a short charging cable. The cable in the box is way too long, so I'm looking for a shorter cable. All help is welcomed. JR
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Re: speaking passwords
Feliciano G
For your security, speaking passwords is not available on some screen readers like JAWS for Windows. A workaround that sometimes works is to type the password on your choice of word processor and then copy and paste it onto the password textfield. #Privacy #TypingEcho Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:50 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:
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Re: speaking passwords
On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:31 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Here is a true story.And I have no doubt it is true if the parrot was an Amazon or African Gray, particularly the latter. I have two parrots, a blue and gold macaw and an African gray, that are both rescues. Pepper, the gray, when we got him could and did produce the answering machine messages from his former owner as if he were a tape recorder. I cannot imagine how long his previous owner must have kept messages before deleting them, as they don't learn anything without hearing it again and again and practicing (and you can hear when they're doing that). I'm sure if I kept any screen reader on for long enough, and on the same document, he'd start "reading" that document at random in the voice used by the screen reader. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016
Christopher Zeigler
Hello when you exit or close Jaws then make sure it completely exit then open the task manager look for anything that may relate to Jaws there are several things that draws keeps running in the background when it exits if you quit it and end the processes then Jaws should start up correctly and start working this should fix some of the problems however if you cannot see the screen at all as soon as Joe's closes then you will need to lunch narrator to continue with working with the task manager to end the process then you'll be able to start Jaws to start correctly Chris
On Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 4:31 AM Ashleigh Piccinino <apiccinino@...> wrote:
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Re: my computer keeps changing volumes.
Ashleigh Piccinino
Have you tried running a repair on jaws? If not and if that doesn’t help contact VFO. They might be able to help.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:41:27 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes. I am running the same software and have been haing the same problem for the
last couple of days. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: my computer keeps changing volumes. is audio ducking disabled? -------- Original Message -------- From: Jim Rawls [mailto:jazzpiano@...] Sent: Saturday, Aug 18, 2018 10:40 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: my computer keeps changing volumes. Hi all, is this a jaws issue? My volume on my computer will go up slightly and then go down below what I have it set for. I am running windows ten and jaws 2018. Jim
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Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016
Ashleigh Piccinino
I think we also need to know what version of jaws you are using. Have you tried contacting the FO? They might be able to help.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:41:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016 What version of Windows are you using? I was doing mainframe programming until last year. I was using Office 2016, Windows 7 and host explorer emulation package. What company are you working on a mainframe? What language do you program
in?
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016 I have a very similar problem using jaws 2018, any program in office 2016 and a mainframe emulator called attachmate. Like you, if I flip between an office application then back to attachmate I seem to lose control of my cursor. Jaws reads only the line where the cursor was positioned before switching windows and won't read anything else unless I refresh the screen with the jaws key + escape. The only way I've found to get jaws back on track is to log out of the emulator and back in. As I said, this problem isn't particular to word, at least for me. It also happens with Skype for business, outlook and any other office application. Kim On 8/16/18, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote: > Hello, I will be in a word document and flip to Outlook2016 to get > something from an email. I have multiple documents in word open. After > flipping back and forth from Outlook and word Jaws has a hard time > reading the word document. I cannot use the control key and a arrow > key to move from word to word. I have to arrow up and down multiple > times to have a line read. I end up unload and loading Jaws. Then > after flipping back and forth between outlook and word it goes back to > have the problem with reading. I even made sure the word window is > maximized. What could be wrong? > > > > > > Kevin Meyers - motivational speaker > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinsmeyers.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbe2bcce9e6584bfac11c08d6055c8b9b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636702292362666779&sdata=vnbyOyb9%2FJBSWj9vWXiw9BPvRmqoPwf9x3dL52Q78pI%3D&reserved=0 > > 6100 West Stonehedge Drive > > Suite 148C > > Greenfield, WI 53220 > > 312-625-7710 > > > > > > > -- Kimberly
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Re: speaking passwords
David & his pack of dogs
As a method of levity on this topic. Here is a true story. A man had a parrot and the man gave his credit card # over the phone to an agency. As time went by he sold the parrot to someone else. Thankfully she was a Bank of America employee. Why? Because the parrot resighted the man’s credit card number verbatim including the security code on the back to her.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Stevens
Sent: August 18, 2018 9:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords
That is quite different than not being able to type the password due to blindness or lack of typing skills. And in your case I wouldn’t have hired you in the first place. I ran an IT business and we all did a lot of typing .
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Don H
Let us see I am a former aerospace Engineer and hold a masters in computer science. My old fingers are stiff in my old age from all the typing I have done in the past.
On 8/18/2018 7:50 PM, Gene Stevens wrote: > As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at > my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough > to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to > hold the job you have. > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...> > *Sent: *Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM > *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > *Subject: *Re: speaking passwords > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote: > > By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on > the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we > have JAWS set to echo characters. > > I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be > provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure. > > After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that > "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the > high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to > precisely that kind of error. > > Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own > chosen password or use a password manager. > > The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters > struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've > witnessed, repeatedly, many will try. > > -- > > Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > > /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the > right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./ > > ~ Dorothy Nevill > >
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Re: JAWS Scripts for Audible & Youtube
Hi David,
I also received the warning “Windows protected your PC” or something like that. You can simply tab to “More Info”, activate that and then tab to “Install anyways”, after that the installation proceeds normally.
Regards, Sieghard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts for Audible & Youtube
I'd like to talk to doug lee concerning what I experienced when trying to download the jaws scripts for audible. What happened when I downloaded the jaws scripts for audible was that I tried to install them and I got a message saying that the jaws scripts were blocked by windowsdefender. I have jaws2018 on my system as a demo. That is why I didn't install the jaws scripts for youtube.
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Re: speaking passwords
Gene Stevens
That is quite different than not being able to type the password due to blindness or lack of typing skills. And in your case I wouldn’t have hired you in the first place. I ran an IT business and we all did a lot of typing .
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: speaking passwords
Let us see I am a former aerospace Engineer and hold a masters in computer science. My old fingers are stiff in my old age from all the typing I have done in the past.
On 8/18/2018 7:50 PM, Gene Stevens wrote: > As a blind person and former employer there is no way I’d allow this at > my work place. If you can’t remember and type your password well enough > to not hear it echoed back to you you aren’t computer literate enough to > hold the job you have. > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...> > *Sent: *Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM > *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > *Subject: *Re: speaking passwords > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote: > > By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on > the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we > have JAWS set to echo characters. > > I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be > provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure. > > After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that > "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the > high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to > precisely that kind of error. > > Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own > chosen password or use a password manager. > > The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters > struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've > witnessed, repeatedly, many will try. > > -- > > Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > > /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the > right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./ > > ~ Dorothy Nevill > >
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Re: speaking passwords
Dennis Brown
Hi,
I am a rare exception to your list of should-be’s. I use a telegraph
key as input because of a loss of hands, and need to get assurance that the key
sequence of dit’s and dah’s are correct.
Espectually when you get two or three chances only to get it right.
Most in work environments use headphones so as not to have speech interfere
with co-workers, so the user would be the only one hearing it.
Being libertarian, I want the freedom to make choices for myself—let me be
the one to decide if I think any particular time I want to hear it or not.
If I think it is high-risk, then that is one time I’ll turn it off. But,
for most situations at home, I’d want it on.
Government web sites are generally set for a fixed number of attempts at
getting it right then you are shut out for 24 hours, , and rightfully so, but
when you have typing stability disabilities, echoing the characters will allow
me to backspace and reenter that character before continuing.
Password Managers are an easy fix, but there will always be that one time
or two when the situation requires a manual type-in.
Thanks,
Dennis
From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: speaking passwords On
Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Bill White wrote: By the way, Brian, we’re not asking that the passwords be shown on the screen, only key echoed, the same way keys are echoed when we have JAWS set to echo characters.I understand precisely what's being asked for, and it should not be provided if one has a scintilla of concern for keeping passwords secure. After 35 years in IT, and witnessing firsthand all the things that "can't happen" and "shouldn't happen," particularly when there is the high potential for human error, one puts in place roadblocks to precisely that kind of error. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, should be able to remember their own chosen password or use a password manager. The convenience of hearing one's keystrokes echoed with the letters struck for a password field cannot be justified, though as I've witnessed, repeatedly, many will try. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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