Date   

Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Michal Nowicki
 

The Windows 10 mail app is compatible with JAWS, but it works much better with NVDA. For example, when I start typing an e-mail address in the to field, NVDA reads the suggested recipients that pop up automatically, while JAWS does not. To get JAWS to read this information, I must tab out of the to field. Additionally, JAWS does not always accurately read message sender information while navigating the inbox with the arrow keys, whereas NVDA does not seem to have any trouble with this. Third, when I press enter to open a message from the inbox, JAWS frequently crashes. Sometimes, the mail app crashes along with it. I have never encountered this serious bug with NVDA running.

 

Finally, unlike NVDA, JAWS has had a difficult time keeping up with updates to the mail app. Since the app first became accessible, I have noticed accessibility regressions on at least three occasions. While VFO has always fixed these problems reasonably quickly, the issues were frustrating.

 

As a result of the above issues, I now use the Windows 10 mail app almost exclusively with NVDA, which interacts with it quite smoothly and adapts to changes faster. I hope this helps.

 

Michal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

Thunderbird is easy to get going, especially for a common email.  I don't remember the exact steps, but once you open it, it will likely ask for the email address you wish to configure,then it will give you options like whether you want pop or imap using its database or configure it yourself.  Using the database makes the process nothing to fear.

 

 

 

On 9/24/2018 11:18, Michael Amaro wrote:

Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

 

From: Chris Hill

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM

Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,

 

How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email/Skype:

 

 

Zoom Room:

 

 

Zoom ID:

 

7792849618

 

JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."

 


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Chris Hill
 

Thunderbird is easy to get going, especially for a common email.  I don't remember the exact steps, but once you open it, it will likely ask for the email address you wish to configure,then it will give you options like whether you want pop or imap using its database or configure it yourself.  Using the database makes the process nothing to fear.




On 9/24/2018 11:18, Michael Amaro wrote:
Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,
 
How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email/Skype:
 
 
Zoom Room:
 
 
Zoom ID:
 
7792849618
 
JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Michael Amaro
 

Could you please give me step by step instructions on how to set it up?  I am trying to set up my friend's msn email address in windows live.  So far no luck.  I am about to pull out my hair.

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

I played with it  It is Clunky  Thunderbirds better and easier to set up


On Sep 22, 2018, at 14:34, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:

Hello Listers,
 
How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email/Skype:
 
 
Zoom Room:
 
 
Zoom ID:
 
7792849618
 
JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Mario
 

maybe the pdf extension is set to open with Edge?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1inct@...]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 11:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

It used to be that PDF files used to automatically open into Internet
Explorer, so why not Edge now that it's the favored browser?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Success is having the courage to meet failure without being defeated.

On 9/24/2018 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Mike,

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved
with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use
Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to
use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *mike
mcglashon
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Mr. Norton:

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person
wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained
what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those
advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you
have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to
them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that
sort on top would take the cake.

Thank you muchly.

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...
<mailto:Michael.mcglashon@...>

Ph: 618 783 9331

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph
Norton
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Hi:

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS
wants it that way.

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend
installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>
*Sent: *Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the
reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and
accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe
Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@...
<mailto:accessibility@...> and mention how useless Edge is
for PDF files to open in Edge.

Richard

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Dean
Martineau
*Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in
Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the
application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One
will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents
where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key
and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will
probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you
to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you
can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your
system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties.
Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the
list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe
acrobat reader.

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Shirley Tracy
*Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Thank you and a question about pdf files

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using
convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has
emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in
the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018
and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still
learning to use it.

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick
and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter,
and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went
directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did
Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf
attachment? Help!

Thank you so much.

Cheerfully,

Shirley


Re: Thunderbird: how to turn off the automatic getting of mail on startup?

Mario
 

press alt+t and s for accounts.
open the account with a right arrow.
down arrow to server settings and tab to the two check boxes that should
be unchecked:

Check for new messages at startup check box
Check for new messages every check box

tab to and space bar on the ok button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Peter Tesar [mailto:ptesar@...]
Sent: Monday, Sep 24, 2018 10:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thunderbird: how to turn off the automatic getting of mail on
startup?

Hello List,


I remember turning off this Thunderbird option when first starting to
use Thunderbird. I don't know what TB version it was but it was during
Windows 7.


I have just had to install Thunderbird to a new PC. Now I'm using TB
version 52.


I've gone through the TB options, to change the settings to my
preferences. I cannot find where to turn off the automatic getting of
mail on the startup of Thunderbird.


I prefer to start TB to finish dealing with the unread messages. Then,
at my convenience,  I press the F5 to get new messages.


Is the option gone from TB version 52?

Thanks for any help.


Peter T.


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

mike mcglashon
 

That’s great,

I was hoping more elaboration and backup of his positions would be forth coming, that’s all;

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 


Re: speech rates and apps.

Soronel Haetir
 

As far as I am aware that would require setting up different voice
profiles (one for each different rate you want) and then assigning the
desired profile to each application.

To set up voice profiles go to the jaws menu (alt+j), then options,
voices, voice adjustment.
Choose the starting profile then adjust the speech rate then use the
"save as" button to give it a different name.
When done hit enter and choose "no" when asked if you want to make the
current profile the default (unless you actually do, in which case
choose "yes").

To assign a profile to an application, with the program of interest
focused hit jaws+ctrl+s then tab to the application-specific profile
list and choose the profile you want to assign then hit enter. Repeat
for any other programs you want to assign a different profile to.

On 9/23/18, mark Hemmings <krammeh@...> wrote:
Hi all:
haven't been a jaws list for a while and I would like some help.
can anyone tell me how I might get speech rates to vary for different
applications, without having to adjust it on the fly? if it is simple,
my mind is to highly trained to get it without an explanation.
thanks for any help.
Mark




--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Maria Campbell
 

It used to be that PDF files used to automatically open into Internet Explorer, so why not Edge now that it's the favored browser?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Success is having the courage to meet failure without being defeated.

On 9/24/2018 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 



Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mike,

 

Not sure why you are so confrontational, Joseph is extremely involved with Microsoft and I agree that Microsoft of course wants you to use Edge for reading PDF files since it is their product, they want you to use it the same way as they remind you to use Edge as your browser.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 


Re: JAWS not speaking on Windows 10 logon screen

 

I have two HP EliteDesk mini PC’s at my business and while they are not laptops they are failry new and one would assume that HP uses the same BIOS and so on on computers of a similar vintage. One thing that may be different from what you guys have though is the fact that my HP EliteDesks at the time came with Windows 7 Professional installed via a downgrade license. I completely wiped and reinstalled Windows 10 from scratch. I find often that factory installed systems load stuff which can interfere, for example, when I first received these computers they had some sort of security feature which required you to enter a password even before the Windows logon screen came up. I am not saying that is what your laptops do, but if they load some sort of wallpaper that may very well be an HP thing which interferes and I wonder if you were to completely wipe the drives and reinstalled Windows 10 whether this problem would disappear.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 6:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS not speaking on Windows 10 logon screen

 

 HP puts up some wallpaper before the logon screen, Mike Dell does not do that that’s why think this is unique to HP. This gives jaws part of the problem at logon. May want to try narrator or as I mentioned earlier shortcut keys at start up. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Edward Green <ergreen1981@...>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS not speaking on Windows 10 logon screen

 

Hi Dan and others,

 

Thanks for responding. It's useful to hear that others are experiencing this issue too.

 

Yes Dan, I have an HP Ultrabook - the HP Spectre.  Is your machine an HP one too?

 

Cheers,

 

Ed 

 


On 23 Sep 2018, at 22:23, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:

Yes, when this occurs, which is often, I use my shortcut keys to get JAWS to speak and JAWS then speaks the LogOn screen information.  Do you have an HP machine?  VFO has never given me any great assistance in the matter.  Even if I hit any key JAWS will not speak until I use the shortcut method.  Like you, JAWS is set to start at logon.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS not speaking on Windows 10 logon screen

 

Hi,

 

I posted yesterday about a problem I was having whereby JAWS wouldn’t speaking on the lock screen.  However, JAWS did speak when I pressed any key to dismiss the lock screen and bring up the password field.

 

I have since disabled the lock screen, but JAWS doesn’t speak at all on the logon screen now regardless of how long I leave it.  JAWS does speak when I enter the password and the desktop comes up.  I have checked, and JAWS is set to load at the logon screen.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

HP Spectre laptop, Windows 10 latest version, JAWS 2019 Beta.

 

Thanks a lot,

 

Ed


Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Chrome's fine here. Why can't you use it?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Rogers
Sent: 24 September 2018 13:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can't access settings combo box in google chrome

i've been unable to use Chrome since lastweek. And google voice is not
quite right on my phone. I switched to Edge for now. Think google is
effecting some functions. My son's phone does the same thimg.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 06:24:46 +0000
"Juanita" <juanitafischer@...> wrote:

Hi all:

I'm using jaws 2018 and public beta 2019 and Windows 10. On the google
chrome home page, nothing I've tried will let me access the settings combo
box. I've tried alt-down arrow and enter. I'm trying to get to advance
settings to allow popups. Thanks in advance for any suggestions for solving
this problem.
Juanita




Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

mike mcglashon
 

Mr. Norton:

 

Your reasoning impresses me.

First, regarding the “no mystery” “because the average sighted person wants to use edge for pdsf’s” “and ms wants it that way””.

That really tells us a lot.

We’re truly much better off with that answer versus none at all.

The only thing better would be, had you had elaborated and explained what edge can do with pdf’s that adobe can’t do, and whether those advantages are forbidden to us due to inaccessibility?

 

Secondly, “I am sure the access team knows about this”.

Is also extremely helpful as no foundation was provided as to how you have “special knowledge” of this info; maybe you directly wrote to them, maybe you work for them.

Again, the reasoning is so perfect, that a little decoration of that sort on top would take the cake.

 

Thank you muchly.

 

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 


Re: question about chatboxes

 

If you are talking about online chat for tech support or customer support then these systems either work or they don't at least that is my experience. You should probably give a bit more information, e.g. what version of Windows, what exact "older" version of Jaws and which browser? An older version of Jaws could be Jaws 18 which now that Jaws 2019 is almost out is almost 2 years old or it could be Jaws 2014. Also, what is the website, is it public where other could try to check it out for you?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Williams
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:12 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: question about chatboxes

I am using an older version of jaws, and am having an issue trying to
work with a site that uses chatboxes. if anyone cam help, contact me
offlist at n4trx11@... thanks---ray


Re: paprika recipe manager?

 

There is a Paprika app for Windows. I purchased it at one point and it was basically completely inaccessible and I was able to get a refund. They apologized for it not being accessible, but it didn’t sound like they were interested in putting too much of an effort into accessibility. Of course by now it might be a UWP app in the Windows 10 store, not sure, unfortunately these apps don’t have a great trck record of being accessible as of yet. Hopefully this will change, maybe Microsoft who also is fairly serious about accessibility at this stage could make it a condition for developers to considder accessibility if possible.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: paprika recipe manager?

 

Jessica, Did you check to see if there is a Paprika3 program for windows? I love this app, but have never received any reply to the many support requests, I have sent. I have only used it with iOS, but, have been tempted to purchase the Mac version.

 

I do wish that companies would use names for their apps/programs that are not a common word!

I have had trouble importing recipes from Paprika to Paprika3. They were all lost, and I still need to type them in, again. While trying to do this, I also tried to export from Paprika to Paprika3, and somehow the only recipes that remained were the ones from Paprika3. Last year they had a special allowing one to buy the Mac version for a reduced price, but, I was out-of-town and did not have my Mac.

 Diane Bomar


On Aug 16, 2018, at 12:54, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi

I’m a huge fan of Paprika recipe manager.

 

I’m using jaws 18, with windows 10.

 

This app is 100% enaccessible.

 

Can jaws fix this?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

 

Nice observation with the task manager. I too noticed the two instances you mentioned, but I never checked to see what CPU % they were using. You’re right that when you can see, you would just naturally notice something crazy was going on with it, but it’s a little less obvious for us unless you look at the whole line showing the process info with, say, the JAWS cursor.

 

I use Process Explorer instead of the regular Task Manager, and it has a “restart” feature, which kills the process but immediately restarts it. Usually firefox just returns exactly to its previous state. Sometimes it asks me if I want to restore the last session, and I just let it do that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: September 24, 2018 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

What I do in order to not lose the session since it’s most likely I’ve got tabs open that I’d rather not close, is when Firefox appears to hang on one tab/window, I first launch the task manager.

After that, I navigate to the running Firefox running task. Usually, there will be multiple instances

For example: Process: Firefox closed
Name
Firefox (8)

If I expand this treeview and arrow down, All Jaws reads is Firefox over and over again for all the stuff it’s got running

However when I use the Jaws cursor and arrow among the different Firefox listings, I can read percentages used by each one.

See:

Firefox (8) 1.1% 1,526.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
1Password for Windows deskt... 0% 4.4 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 15.9 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 193.2 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 247.2 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 68.1 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 198.8 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 16.8 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 771.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps

Firefox 0% 771.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps

Right now, everything’s running smoothly and thus everything’s more or less at 0%.

However, when there’s a tab that’s giving me problems, There will be one of those Firefox entries posting a crazy high percentage. Indeed, there will always be two Firefox entries with percentages when the browser’s acting funky. The very last Firefox posting with a percentage and one prior to it. Arrowing from top to bottom, it’s the first entry with the high percentage that’s the troublesome tab. I’ll right click on it and select “end task”. This will cause the hanging tab to crash and Firefox will give an error message of something like uh oh. Your tab has crashed. Blah, blah. All I do then is refresh the page and bingo, my tab is back with not having to end the entire thing and lose everything I was either researching or reading or what have you.

Clicking end task on the last Firefox entry in the list will cause the whole browser to crash. So, that’s not the one you want to end task on.

In any event, the ideal situation would be for VFO to quickly put out a fix addressing this bug, but my guess is that they’re focusing all their resources into JFW 2019.

I’m sure the percentage stuff for the sighted is quite visible and pretty straight forward, but it wasn’t until I was poking around with the Jaws cursor trying to figure out how to avoid not closing out the entire browser did I come across this less inconvenient workaround.

Also, I upgraded to Firefox Version 62.0.2 and this hanging thing is still present.

Anyway, there you go. This is what I do for this rather annoying Firefox bug.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Assuming we’re all having the same problem with Firefox, then, no. There’s a chance JAWS 2018 will still receive an update to fix this issue, but I’m not necessarily counting on it.

 

For now, my solution is to have a task manager (in my case,  Process Explorer) open at all times, ready to restart the Firefox process. It’s somewhat inconvenient but Firefox restores crashed sessions so I usually just pick up where I left off. The freezing still lets me read whatever page I am on, I just can’t interact with it until Firefox is restarted.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of BlindedByTheLight
Sent: September 23, 2018 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I am having the same issue.  Are there any known workarounds known without giving the Beta 2019 a try? I have never used a beta version.  How do I download it?  Thanks!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I just upgraded to the 2019 beta at home, and the problems seems to have completely disappeared.

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m having the same issues with Firefox and at times also with Internet Explorer. Just an FYI

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

I’m using it successfully with both the beta and earlier versions of JAWS.

 

There are a few issues, such as not being able to press Enter on some links, but not all.  Also, JAWS doesn’t read the address fields very well when I’m composing a message.

 

For simple reading and replying, which is a large percentage of my mail actions, it works adequately.

when I want to compose a message.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Amaro
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: getting the mail ap in windows 10 to work with jaws?

 

Hello Listers,

 

How easy is it to use the mail ap in windows 10 with jaws?  I am having no luck in setting up my friend's @msn email address in windows live mail.  There for I want to go the mail ap route.  I my self have never used  the mail ap.  How easy is it to teach some one that doesn't know much about technology?  Is it easy to set up an acount?

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email/Skype:

 

 

Zoom Room:

 

 

Zoom ID:

 

7792849618

 

JFK
"
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."

 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

Cristóbal
 

What I do in order to not lose the session since it’s most likely I’ve got tabs open that I’d rather not close, is when Firefox appears to hang on one tab/window, I first launch the task manager.

After that, I navigate to the running Firefox running task. Usually, there will be multiple instances

For example: Process: Firefox closed
Name
Firefox (8)

If I expand this treeview and arrow down, All Jaws reads is Firefox over and over again for all the stuff it’s got running

However when I use the Jaws cursor and arrow among the different Firefox listings, I can read percentages used by each one.

See:

Firefox (8) 1.1% 1,526.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
1Password for Windows deskt... 0% 4.4 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 15.9 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 193.2 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 247.2 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 68.1 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 198.8 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 16.8 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps
Firefox 0% 771.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps

Firefox 0% 771.5 MB 0 MB/s 0 Mbps

Right now, everything’s running smoothly and thus everything’s more or less at 0%.

However, when there’s a tab that’s giving me problems, There will be one of those Firefox entries posting a crazy high percentage. Indeed, there will always be two Firefox entries with percentages when the browser’s acting funky. The very last Firefox posting with a percentage and one prior to it. Arrowing from top to bottom, it’s the first entry with the high percentage that’s the troublesome tab. I’ll right click on it and select “end task”. This will cause the hanging tab to crash and Firefox will give an error message of something like uh oh. Your tab has crashed. Blah, blah. All I do then is refresh the page and bingo, my tab is back with not having to end the entire thing and lose everything I was either researching or reading or what have you.

Clicking end task on the last Firefox entry in the list will cause the whole browser to crash. So, that’s not the one you want to end task on.

In any event, the ideal situation would be for VFO to quickly put out a fix addressing this bug, but my guess is that they’re focusing all their resources into JFW 2019.

I’m sure the percentage stuff for the sighted is quite visible and pretty straight forward, but it wasn’t until I was poking around with the Jaws cursor trying to figure out how to avoid not closing out the entire browser did I come across this less inconvenient workaround.

Also, I upgraded to Firefox Version 62.0.2 and this hanging thing is still present.

Anyway, there you go. This is what I do for this rather annoying Firefox bug.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Assuming we’re all having the same problem with Firefox, then, no. There’s a chance JAWS 2018 will still receive an update to fix this issue, but I’m not necessarily counting on it.

 

For now, my solution is to have a task manager (in my case,  Process Explorer) open at all times, ready to restart the Firefox process. It’s somewhat inconvenient but Firefox restores crashed sessions so I usually just pick up where I left off. The freezing still lets me read whatever page I am on, I just can’t interact with it until Firefox is restarted.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of BlindedByTheLight
Sent: September 23, 2018 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I am having the same issue.  Are there any known workarounds known without giving the Beta 2019 a try? I have never used a beta version.  How do I download it?  Thanks!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I just upgraded to the 2019 beta at home, and the problems seems to have completely disappeared.

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m having the same issues with Firefox and at times also with Internet Explorer. Just an FYI

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: punctuation script and 2019 beta

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

Do you mean changing punctuation levels?  If that’s what you mean, I’m having no issues.  I can change levels of punctuation and it works fine.

 

Not sure what script you’re referring to, if that’s not it.

 

I have no issues with punctuation in the beta.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: punctuation script and 2019 beta

 

Hi,

 

I stuffed up my message the first time so now sending   a corrected version. 

 

Using: W10 64 bit Home with latest updates. And Jaws 2019 beta.

 

While the punctuation  script  continues to function normally on my system in Jaws 2018, it does not work in the 2019 beta. 

 

Has anyone else noticed this problem with the beta?

 

Would it be worth attempting to install the script again under the beta

 

 

Thanks

 

Tom

 


Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

No mystery as to why MicroSoft wants to use Edge as default pdf reader.

 

For the average sighted user, Edge is able to handle pdf’s, and MS wants it that way.

 

I am sure the accessibility team knows about this and will recommend installing Acrobat Reader instead if asked.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Shirley, for some unknown reason, Microsoft has Edge defaulting as the reader for PDF files.  It is a mystery to me why they did this.

Dean’s methods should work, and the one using the properties and accessing the change button, should change the default to Adobe Acrobat rather than Edge so future PDF’s will open correctly.

 

I think everyone may want to write accessibility@... and mention how useless Edge is for PDF files to open in Edge.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 2:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

In Windows 10, there are several ways to get a pdf document to open in Adobe Reader, which is what you want. I’ll mention a couple.

 

First, when in the e-mail client, focus on the attachment and use the application or context menu key to see what choices are offered.  One will likely be to save the document.  Once you do so, go to Documents where it prob ably resides and focus on it.  Use the application key and press H until you hear Open With. Adobe Acrobat Reader will probably be among the first choices, if it isn’t, the menu allows you to choose another app, and you can locate it there.  If you do so, you can tab to a check box to always use this app to open pdf files.

 

If you can get the pdf saved, or if you have another one on your system, focus on it and press alt+enter to bring up its properties. Once there, tab once to the Change button and press space. Tab to the list of potential apps to use to open pdf files and choose adobe acrobat reader.

 

Let us know if this doesn’t work.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thank you and a question about pdf files

 

Hi everyone,

 

First, thanks to  those of you who answered my question about using convenient OCR. It’s awesome!

 

Now, for another challenge (to me, anyway). A medical person has emailed me an important pdf attachment. I’ve been able to open them in the past. But I haven’t needed to for a while. I’m running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. I started using Gmail just recently and am still learning to use it.

 

Meanwhile, I started importing the Gmail into Windows Mail for quick and simple emails—it’s faster for me right now.

 

Anyway, my problem is this: PDF attachments won’t open. I press enter, and the word “EDGE” is read at the top and that’s all. So I went directly to my Gmail account, and the same thing happened. How did Edge get involved? Is there any way to be able to read this pdf attachment? Help!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 


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