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moderated Re: keyboard buffer

Alan Robbins
 

I do with large excel sheets. How do you empty the buffer?

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keyboard buffer

Hi again. Lately, using the latest builds of JAWS 2021 and Windows 10, JAWS
quits echoing my keyboard characters and words while typing not resume until
it empties what I'm calling its buffer. That leaves me doing much of my
typing without speech feedback, then having it all read back when the buffer
is emptied.
Is anyone else experiencing this?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Ph.D. in Music
theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated Re: JAWS 2021 (latest build) and Facebook Messenger app on Windows 10

James English
 

Hello,

I find the messenger website on firefox to be the most accessible
method of using it. The app is a joke, don't bother with it when you
don't have to.

- James

On 5/6/21, Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io
<ofiol=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all. Using the latest builds of Windows 10 and JAWS 2021, I'm
encountering an extremely frustrating problem with Facebook's
dedicated Messenger app, available from the Microsoft store. When in
the edit field typing messages, every single solitary word gets
misspelled, even though I've typed every word correctly. That is,
with keyboard set to read both characters and words, when I press
space after a word, J READS IT ACCURATELY> However, when I arrow
through the message text, every word is misspelled with one or more
missing characters.
Vispero tech support claims it doesn't support this app, so, we're on
our own. As all may have guessed, this typing/spelling problem does
not occur with NOR OR NVDA. For now, I'm forced to keep a Notepad
window open, type all my messages in it, then paste them into the
Messenger app. But that's cumbersome, when this simple process of
typing in an ordinary edit field should work as it does in every
other application.
Can anyone else test this and confirm or refute my findings?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090







moderated keyboard buffer

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi again. Lately, using the latest builds of JAWS 2021 and Windows 10, JAWS quits echoing my keyboard characters and words while typing not resume until it empties what I'm calling its buffer. That leaves me doing much of my typing without speech feedback, then having it all read back when the buffer is emptied.
Is anyone else experiencing this?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated JAWS 2021 (latest build) and Facebook Messenger app on Windows 10

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all. Using the latest builds of Windows 10 and JAWS 2021, I'm encountering an extremely frustrating problem with Facebook's dedicated Messenger app, available from the Microsoft store. When in the edit field typing messages, every single solitary word gets misspelled, even though I've typed every word correctly. That is, with keyboard set to read both characters and words, when I press space after a word, J READS IT ACCURATELY> However, when I arrow through the message text, every word is misspelled with one or more missing characters.
Vispero tech support claims it doesn't support this app, so, we're on our own. As all may have guessed, this typing/spelling problem does not occur with NOR OR NVDA. For now, I'm forced to keep a Notepad window open, type all my messages in it, then paste them into the Messenger app. But that's cumbersome, when this simple process of typing in an ordinary edit field should work as it does in every other application.
Can anyone else test this and confirm or refute my findings?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated Re: Orbit writer and JAWS braille in

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Yes it does.

On 5/5/2021 9:32 PM, Shai wrote:
Hello,
Does the Orbit Writer support JAWS braille-in? Would one be able to
utilize either contracted UEB or computer braille configuration in
settings center?
Thank you in advance for any responses.


moderated Re: Orbit writer and JAWS braille in

Richard Turner
 

It should work if Jaws is set for the contracted code for input, and the Writer is recognized probably as an Orbit Reader 20.
Note, you should be able to write, but you won't be able to do any of the keyboard commands like insert+UpArrow to read the line.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 5, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Shai <shaiwol@...> wrote:

Hello,
Does the Orbit Writer support JAWS braille-in? Would one be able to
utilize either contracted UEB or computer braille configuration in
settings center?
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@...






moderated Orbit writer and JAWS braille in

Shai
 

Hello,
Does the Orbit Writer support JAWS braille-in? Would one be able to
utilize either contracted UEB or computer braille configuration in
settings center?
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: Contact list not showing

Randy Barnett
 

it's a known bug with jaws in Outlook. They're working on it. No idea when It will be fixed.

Randy Barnett

On May 5, 2021, at 11:50 AM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10, Jaws2021 and Outlook 2016. Prior to today I was able to create an email and on the to line I could put a letter and when arrow down I would get a list of all email addresses I had sent an email to in the past. Today I don’t get the list. If I type in just a particular letter and tab it will fill in the first email address that was on the list. In order to get another email address that begins with a particular letter, I have to enter more letters. Yet I get the next closes match. I cannot arrow down to see all the choices. I did a repair on Jaws2021 and the problem still exists. Is there something that could be causing this problem?

Cheers, Kevin


moderated Contact list not showing

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10, Jaws2021 and Outlook 2016. Prior to today I was able to create an email and on the to line I could put a letter and when arrow down I would get a list of all email addresses I had sent an email to in the past. Today I don’t get the list. If I type in just a particular letter and tab it will fill in the first email address that was on the list. In order to get another email address that begins with a particular letter, I have to enter more letters. Yet I get the next closes match. I cannot arrow down to see all the choices. I did a repair on Jaws2021 and the problem still exists. Is there something that could be causing this problem?

Cheers, Kevin


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

 

Albert,

Classic Shell and its analogs are all installed programs (now often referred to as Desktop apps in the Windows 10 era) and they can be removed from the computer just like any other installed program can.  I generally use Control Panel, Programs & Features directly to locate and uninstall.

I so happen to have done this recently for a desktop machine that was being donated to VSDB that had Classic Shell on it.

You do not touch Windows 10 itself.  Once Classic Shell is removed, the native UI reappears.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning Brian, 

 

Around six or seven months ago, I purchased my windows laptop computer from Computers for the blind.  What I’d like to ask you is, I think that the windows  shell classic option may be installed on this computer.  Since you have a lot of knowledge about this, is there or can this option be uninstalled, and if that is the case, would I have to uninstall and reinstall windows ten on     this computer?    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: Out Of Curiosity...

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 01:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I recommend you learn Windows 10 as it is without trying to make it behave like Windows 7. It really is not so much different and there are resources available. If you use something like Classic Shell there is always the risk that one day it will stop working and I find, for example, that Windows 10 is much more like Windows 7 than Windows 8 was.

-
A huge, Amen!!, to that!

I have been trying to get clients to understand that using shells to hide the native user interfaces of any given operating system, in an attempt to make it look like another, is a bad idea that almost always ultimately results in pain.  I know of very few users who never, ever have occasion to use someone else's computer, and if you use something like Classic Shell to hide the native Windows 10 User Interface you'll be like a deer in the headlights when you eventually have to deal with it.  And, as you've noted, it's really not all that much different, and far less different than Windows 8 was to everything that came before it.

Using things like Classic Shell (which, by the way, has been out of support since 2017 and eventually is going to become incompatible with Windows 10, who knows when), Open Shell, Start10, or similar is in no way similar to, say, using an alternative launcher under Android.  These utilities, unlike launchers, have as their purpose very substantially altering the user interface rather than adding "bells and whistles" on top of the basic native interface. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 01:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I recommend you learn Windows 10 as it is without trying to make it behave like Windows 7. It really is not so much different and there are resources available. If you use something like Classic Shell there is always the risk that one day it will stop working and I find, for example, that Windows 10 is much more like Windows 7 than Windows 8 was.
-
A huge, Amen!!, to that!

I have been trying to get clients to understand that using shells to hide the native user interfaces of any given operating system, in an attempt to make it look like another, is a bad idea that almost always ultimately results in pain.  I know of very few users who never, ever have occasion to use someone else's computer, and if you use something like Classic Shell to hide the native Windows 10 User Interface you'll be like a deer in the headlights when you eventually have to deal with it.  And, as you've noted, it's really not all that much different, and far less different than Windows 8 was to everything that came before it.

Using things like Classic Shell (which, by the way, has been out of support since 2017 and eventually is going to become incompatible with Windows 10, who knows when), Open Shell, Start10, or similar is in no way similar to, say, using an alternative launcher under Android.  These utilities, unlike launchers, have as their purpose very substantially altering the user interface rather than adding "bells and whistles" on top of the basic native interface. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

Richard Turner
 

That is because you have that feature turned on.

Check the setting:

Detect Language Based On Markup of document and web page

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

 

Sometimes JAWS reads words wwith Spanish or German pronunciations, just single words in the midst of English words.

 

From: Dale Heltzer

Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:29 AM

Subject: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

 

Sometimes while reading a document, I notice that my Vocalizer Expressive voices have odd pronunciations for some common words. However, when I stop and use JAWS to hear the specific word pronounced alone, the pronunciation is correct.

I *don’t think it’s an artifact of my own organic language processing <g>.

Has anyone else had this experience?

 

TIA

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PowerPoint

 

Yes You can    insert pictures from Powerpoint directly. To  do that, do the following steps.

1. open PowerPoint and find a blank presentation.

2.  Press Ault+N to  bring up the  insert menu.

3. Press O to activate Online Pictures.

4. Once you pressed O, you can type in the image you want.

This is the quickest way to obtain images without going to IE or Chrome.

I hope this helps

best regards

michael Munn

 


moderated Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

Don Walls
 

Sometimes JAWS reads words wwith Spanish or German pronunciations, just single words in the midst of English words.
 

From: Dale Heltzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive
 

Sometimes while reading a document, I notice that my Vocalizer Expressive voices have odd pronunciations for some common words. However, when I stop and use JAWS to hear the specific word pronounced alone, the pronunciation is correct.

I *don’t think it’s an artifact of my own organic language processing <g>.

Has anyone else had this experience?

 

TIA

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PowerPoint

 

Yes You can    insert pictures from Powerpoint directly. To  do that, do the following steps.

1. open PowerPoint and find a blank presentation.

2.  Press Ault+N to  bring up the  insert menu.

3. Press O to activate Online Pictures.

4. Once you pressed O, you can type in the image you want.

This is the quickest way to obtain images without going to IE or Chrome.

I hope this helps

best regards

michael Munn

 


moderated Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

Richard Turner
 

I think the reason for this is that Vocalizer is parsing by paragraph, or at least by sentence, where Eloquence is parsing by word.

If you are trying to get a more human sounding inflection, you have to know the context, or rather, the machine has to know the context.

I have not gotten into the weeds with all the schemes for the Say all etc., but it could be there is a scheme that changes that behavior.

 

This is just my theory on why you get different pronunciations, it is not authoritative at all.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 4:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

 

Yes, I have often found that words are stated differently in “say All” as opposed to reading by word.  Vocalizer Expressive is the worst with this.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

 

Sometimes while reading a document, I notice that my Vocalizer Expressive voices have odd pronunciations for some common words. However, when I stop and use JAWS to hear the specific word pronounced alone, the pronunciation is correct.

I *don’t think it’s an artifact of my own organic language processing <g>.

Has anyone else had this experience?

 

TIA

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PowerPoint

 

Yes You can    insert pictures from Powerpoint directly. To  do that, do the following steps. 

1. open PowerPoint and find a blank presentation. 

2.  Press Ault+N to  bring up the  insert menu. 

3. Press O to activate Online Pictures. 

4. Once you pressed O, you can type in the image you want. 

This is the quickest way to obtain images without going to IE or Chrome. 

I hope this helps

best regards 

michael Munn 


moderated Re: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, I have often found that words are stated differently in “say All” as opposed to reading by word.  Vocalizer Expressive is the worst with this.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

 

Sometimes while reading a document, I notice that my Vocalizer Expressive voices have odd pronunciations for some common words. However, when I stop and use JAWS to hear the specific word pronounced alone, the pronunciation is correct.

I *don’t think it’s an artifact of my own organic language processing <g>.

Has anyone else had this experience?

 

TIA

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PowerPoint

 

Yes You can    insert pictures from Powerpoint directly. To  do that, do the following steps. 

1. open PowerPoint and find a blank presentation. 

2.  Press Ault+N to  bring up the  insert menu. 

3. Press O to activate Online Pictures. 

4. Once you pressed O, you can type in the image you want. 

This is the quickest way to obtain images without going to IE or Chrome. 

I hope this helps

best regards 

michael Munn 


moderated Pronunciation changes in Vocalizer Expressive

Dale Heltzer
 

Sometimes while reading a document, I notice that my Vocalizer Expressive voices have odd pronunciations for some common words. However, when I stop and use JAWS to hear the specific word pronounced alone, the pronunciation is correct.

I *don’t think it’s an artifact of my own organic language processing <g>.

Has anyone else had this experience?

 

TIA

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PowerPoint

 

Yes You can    insert pictures from Powerpoint directly. To  do that, do the following steps. 

1. open PowerPoint and find a blank presentation. 

2.  Press Ault+N to  bring up the  insert menu. 

3. Press O to activate Online Pictures. 

4. Once you pressed O, you can type in the image you want. 

This is the quickest way to obtain images without going to IE or Chrome. 

I hope this helps

best regards 

michael Munn 

 


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

 

I don't think you can import Jaws 15 settings into Jaws 2021 any more.

 

Also, this is strictly my opinion and my advice, I recommend you learn Windows 10 as it is without trying to make it behave like Windows 7. It really is not so much different and there are resources available. If you use something like Classic Shell there is always the risk that one day it will stop working and I find, for example, that Windows 10 is much more like Windows 7 than Windows 8 was. You have a comprehensive Settings app similar to what you have on a smartphone, but while certain things in my opinion are easier to access via Settings, there still is the familiar Control Panel as well as the device manager.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Out Of Curiosity...

 

Annabelle, just be sure to export your old Jaws settings so you can import them into the new Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 9:34 PM

Subject: Out Of Curiosity...

 

Is the latest version of JAWS similar to versions like JAWS 15? The reason why I ask this is because I'm getting a new computer to replace my old Dell. This one will have Windows 10, which I initially wasn't looking forward to, but I actually found out that you can make Windows 10 behave like prior versions, thanks to https://www.classicshell.net.


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

Glenn / Lenny
 


Annabelle, just be sure to export your old Jaws settings so you can import them into the new Jaws.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 9:34 PM
Subject: Out Of Curiosity...

Is the latest version of JAWS similar to versions like JAWS 15? The reason why I ask this is because I'm getting a new computer to replace my old Dell. This one will have Windows 10, which I initially wasn't looking forward to, but I actually found out that you can make Windows 10 behave like prior versions, thanks to https://www.classicshell.net.


moderated Re: Out Of Curiosity...

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi Annabelle,
The only differences might be something you haven't learned yet.
So whatever you knew in using Jaws will be the same.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 9:34 PM
Subject: Out Of Curiosity...

Is the latest version of JAWS similar to versions like JAWS 15? The reason why I ask this is because I'm getting a new computer to replace my old Dell. This one will have Windows 10, which I initially wasn't looking forward to, but I actually found out that you can make Windows 10 behave like prior versions, thanks to https://www.classicshell.net.

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