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Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Mario
 

it's in basic options (JAWS, options, basics).

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 11:04 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Thanks Ann.  I'll find that setting tomorrow and tweak it.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for illusion is deep./

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: Making JAWS load faster

David & his pack of dogs
 

I have my JAWS load up at the log in screen. I don’t understand this urgency for JAWS to load up.  Is it the old, I want it now! Mentality? Try and use a refurbished Windows 7, upgraded to 10 computer that is at least 7 years old and having to wait 10 minutes before JAWS 2018 loads up, as in no sound at all. Now I am using a Mac Book pro converted to windows with Boot camp, within 2 minutes everything is up and running, as in I can start working. NO more having the time to poor and drink my cup of coffee before JAWS starts working.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: October 2, 2018 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

I also never felt the need to try and make Jaws load faster. Also, do you mean it should load faster at the logon screen or after you put in your PIN/Password? On most of my machines Jaws starts to speak at the logon screen almost simultaneously with the Windows Startup sound. Visually if somebody looks the password field is usually there a second or two before Jaws starts up, but to me that doesn’t matter. What did bother me a bit was the long wait time for Jaws to load after I put in my PIN/Password, my sighted wife says the desktop is there within a second or two after I put in my password and press enter, but Jaws 2018 always took super long to load, about 15 seconds at least. FS has said that this was because of Jaws looking for the proper license information or something like, but they have fixed this in Jaws 2019 where Jaws usually speaks after I press enter within 6 or so seconds, less than half the time it took before.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi,

 

Personally, I’d just get an SSD drive in your computer, rather than worrying about the load order.  It will be changed with every JAWS update.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 October 2018 17:12
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Making JAWS load faster

 

Some time ago, someone on this list gave tips for putting JAWS at the top of the Startup list in Windows. Can someone repost these steps for reorganizing the order of startup programs so that JAWS loads first?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. Perhaps you have Chrome set to Full-Screen Mode. If I set any browser to Full-Screen Mode, the menus are hidden, and if I press ALT plus anything, the menus don’t come up.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

My version is Google Chrome Version 69.0.3497.100, same as yours Brian.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

It could also matter what version of Chrome you're running as well.   I'm using version 69.0.3497.100 under Windows 10.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

I am using Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit on all my PC’s and on this laptop here at home I am running the latest Insider version 1809 built, 17763.1, I guess at this point we are only days or at best a week or two away from the start of the official public ro-out of 1809. Whether that makes a difference I don’t know which is why I said I would try how my work desktops behave which all run the latest built of 1803.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Sieghard

,

 

Yes, your observations match mine, as well. Are you on a Windows 7 platform, or Windows 7? I'm on Windows 7.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 08:17

Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

It could also matter what version of Chrome you're running as well.   I'm using version 69.0.3497.100 under Windows 10.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Dave...
 



Sieghard

 ,

 

Yes, your observations match mine, as well. Are you on a Windows 7 platform, or Windows 7? I'm on Windows 7.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 08:17
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Mario
 

pressing alt by itself won't do a thing, alt+f and then b...

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:@Sieghard]
Sent: Monday, Oct 1, 2018 10:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

In what browser is Alt+F followed by B supposed to woprk?
It doesn't do anything in Chrome, the Alt key alone brings up the menu,
there is no "File" menu and for me Alt+f In Chrome does nothing.
As far as I am concerned there simply are no quick and easy shortcuts in
Chrome to select a certain bookmark.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

pressing alt+f then b will open the bookmarks list. then using first
letter navigation to move to the items that correspond to the letter you
typed and enter on the item you want. I haven't played around with
anything else.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dave Mitchell [mailto:mitch@...]
Sent: Monday, Oct 1, 2018 12:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Hi, What is the most efficient way to quickly access the imported
Internet Favorites with Chrome and Windows 10 and JAWS 2018?

I have worked with Chrome a little to get to my saved Website links but
I cannot find any keystrokes as simple as with I E 11 so will appreciate
some guidance from more experience users.  Thanks, Mitch


Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

I also never felt the need to try and make Jaws load faster. Also, do you mean it should load faster at the logon screen or after you put in your PIN/Password? On most of my machines Jaws starts to speak at the logon screen almost simultaneously with the Windows Startup sound. Visually if somebody looks the password field is usually there a second or two before Jaws starts up, but to me that doesn’t matter. What did bother me a bit was the long wait time for Jaws to load after I put in my PIN/Password, my sighted wife says the desktop is there within a second or two after I put in my password and press enter, but Jaws 2018 always took super long to load, about 15 seconds at least. FS has said that this was because of Jaws looking for the proper license information or something like, but they have fixed this in Jaws 2019 where Jaws usually speaks after I press enter withing 6 or so seconds, less than half the time it took before.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi,

 

Personally, I’d just get an SSD drive in your computer, rather than worrying about the load order.  It will be changed with every JAWS update.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 October 2018 17:12
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Making JAWS load faster

 

Some time ago, someone on this list gave tips for putting JAWS at the top of the Startup list in Windows. Can someone repost these steps for reorganizing the order of startup programs so that JAWS loads first?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

 

Thanks Ann.  I'll find that setting tomorrow and tweak it.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Ann Byrne
 

In order for those key strokes to be spoken, you have to have 'access keys' set to all, whether you wanta hear them in other situations or not.

At 09:32 AM 10/2/2018, you wrote:
I could swear that JAWS once did this by default, but on one client's machine it is not any longer.By "announce shortcut sequences" I mean that if, for instance, you hit the ALT key and focus is thrown to the upper ribbon you would get something like, "H, Home Ribbon," announced if that's where actual focus is and if you moved left or right with the arrow keys it would tell you what the "ALT+Letter" or just the letter itself is in order to throw focus to that ribbon immediately.Then, if you descend to the lower ribbon and are navigating controls, it would announce the additional letter or letters to activate that control after having done the ALT+Letter appropriate to get you to the upper ribbon for the controls you're traversing.When ALT is hit I am visually presented with every "next key" letter that could be pressed to make focus go to a given upper ribbon or control and that is hovering in a small square very near to the actual item that would get focus. If I hit ALT+Letter to focus on a specific ribbon, the additional letter shortcuts are shown in the same way for every control within that ribbon.I know that there is a way in JAWS to have these presented to the user, which is particularly helpful when they're new to a specific program or even a specific ribbon in a program that they had not previously used.If anyone can tell me what setting I need to tweak to turn this on/off I'd appreciate it. For anyone who also happens to be an NVDA user you can hear this behavior, which is on by default in NVDA, as you throw focus either to the upper ribbon via just ALT or to a specific ribbon as you traverse the controls. I want to replicate that in JAWS.--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Â

   A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

         ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

 

I could swear that JAWS once did this by default, but on one client's machine it is not any longer.

By "announce shortcut sequences" I mean that if, for instance, you hit the ALT key and focus is thrown to the upper ribbon you would get something like, "H, Home Ribbon," announced if that's where actual focus is and if you moved left or right with the arrow keys it would tell you what the "ALT+Letter" or just the letter itself is in order to throw focus to that ribbon immediately.

Then, if you descend to the lower ribbon and are navigating controls, it would announce the additional letter or letters to activate that control after having done the ALT+Letter appropriate to get you to the upper ribbon for the controls you're traversing.

When ALT is hit I am visually presented with every "next key" letter that could be pressed to make focus go to a given upper ribbon or control and that is hovering in a small square very near to the actual item that would get focus.  If I hit ALT+Letter to focus on a specific ribbon, the additional letter shortcuts are shown in the same way for every control within that ribbon.

I know that there is a way in JAWS to have these presented to the user, which is particularly helpful when they're new to a specific program or even a specific ribbon in a program that they had not previously used.

If anyone can tell me what setting I need to tweak to turn this on/off I'd appreciate it.  For anyone who also happens to be an NVDA user you can hear this behavior, which is on by default in NVDA, as you throw focus either to the upper ribbon via just ALT or to a specific ribbon as you traverse the controls.  I want to replicate that in JAWS.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Also, remember that all the sites you visit, the most recent ones are on your Chrome home page.  This often negates the need for bookmarks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 02 October 2018 04:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I tried importing my Firefox bookmarks into Chrome and while they were uploaded, they're now buried in the imported bookmarks subfolder of the subfolder of the Chrome menu bar. I mean come on? How practical is that?

It seems to be becoming "the thing" to nest imported bookmarks in a given browser in a folder that indicates where they were imported from.  I agree that this is annoying and not something I want.

And Chrome's Bookmark Manager function is not as "multi-select and move en-masse" friendly as that in Firefox or others.  I just tried the Chrome Bookmarks manager and it's become what seems to be 100% drag and drop driven.

I almost never use bookmarks, per se, as if I start entering a URL or a distinct part of it, and it's bookmarked or I've visited it before, it virtually always shows up in one of the first several items returned by the URL search.  I point and click on the one I want but I teach my clients to type something they believe will be "kinda distinctive," arrow down then back up once (so you catch the first item returned, otherwise it seems all screen readers miss is) then if that's not it down arrow a few times to see if what you're looking for is in the returned search results.  It's typically before result 5 if it's something you use with relative frequency.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS load faster

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Personally, I’d just get an SSD drive in your computer, rather than worrying about the load order.  It will be changed with every JAWS update.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 October 2018 17:12
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Making JAWS load faster

 

Some time ago, someone on this list gave tips for putting JAWS at the top of the Startup list in Windows. Can someone repost these steps for reorganizing the order of startup programs so that JAWS loads first?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Audacity 2.3.0

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

To be honest, I think Reaper is a better and more accessible multi track editor.  Although it’s not free, it’s not expensive.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Bailes
Sent: 01 October 2018 10:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Audacity 2.3.0

 

Audacity is a free multi track audio editor, and version 2.3.0 has just been released. One of its new features is punch and roll recording, which enables you to easily correct mistakes immediately after you've made them.
This is a link to the Windows installer:
https://www.fosshub.com/Audacity.html/audacity-win-2.3.0.exe

I've updated my Jaws guide to Audacity to cover this release, and it's available here
http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Audacity-2.3.0-Guide.html

Note that if you're using the Jaws script for Audacity, some parts of it don't yet work with this latest version of Audacity.

 David.


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:
I just tried the alt, f and then B
Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS load faster

Dan Longmore
 

JAWS 2018 shows up in start up list in Win 10 under “Application for JAWS”

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Also, in Windows 10, I do not find any reference to Jaws in the Startup tab of Task Manager.

But, I will say that the beta of Jaws 2019 loads significantly faster on my machine than Jaws 2018.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi Bill,

 

I said the steps might be different because when opening msconfig in Windows 10 and going to the start-up tab, you are told to open the Task Manager, and there it's much different than in Windows 7 where all the files to turn on or off are right there in a list in the start-up tab of Win7.  I don't recall if you turn everything off that shows in the msconfig / Start-up tab / task manager, then turn the items on in the order you want them, if they will be put in that order in the task manager of Win10.  I believe that Task Manager in Win 10 has a different ordering system than in msconfig / Start-up of Win7.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi, Mike. I didn’t see the reasons why this won’t work with Windows 8 and 10 below your steps.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi Bill,

 

Although Windows 10 is a little different these steps will give you a good idea on what to do in Win 10.

 

Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15 thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is below
my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen, but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found that
JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, & nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going to
recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, & press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab, check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop & lattop, &I'm
not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the above steps.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:12 AM

Subject: Making JAWS load faster

 

Some time ago, someone on this list gave tips for putting JAWS at the top of the Startup list in Windows. Can someone repost these steps for reorganizing the order of startup programs so that JAWS loads first?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Making JAWS load faster

Richard Turner
 

Also, in Windows 10, I do not find any reference to Jaws in the Startup tab of Task Manager.

But, I will say that the beta of Jaws 2019 loads significantly faster on my machine than Jaws 2018.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi Bill,

 

I said the steps might be different because when opening msconfig in Windows 10 and going to the start-up tab, you are told to open the Task Manager, and there it's much different than in Windows 7 where all the files to turn on or off are right there in a list in the start-up tab of Win7.  I don't recall if you turn everything off that shows in the msconfig / Start-up tab / task manager, then turn the items on in the order you want them, if they will be put in that order in the task manager of Win10.  I believe that Task Manager in Win 10 has a different ordering system than in msconfig / Start-up of Win7.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi, Mike. I didn’t see the reasons why this won’t work with Windows 8 and 10 below your steps.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making JAWS load faster

 

Hi Bill,

 

Although Windows 10 is a little different these steps will give you a good idea on what to do in Win 10.

 

Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15 thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is below
my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen, but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found that
JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, & nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going to
recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, & press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab, check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop & lattop, &I'm
not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the above steps.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:12 AM

Subject: Making JAWS load faster

 

Some time ago, someone on this list gave tips for putting JAWS at the top of the Startup list in Windows. Can someone repost these steps for reorganizing the order of startup programs so that JAWS loads first?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Online Banking and Picking a Range of Dates when Date Picker is Inaccessible?

Walker, Michael E
 

I would also suggest that you go to your bank's homepage, and see if there are accessibility recommendations. Sometimes, services will direct you to an optimized site for accessibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Online Banking and Picking a Range of Dates when Date Picker is Inaccessible?

I'd suggest trying the demo version of Jaws 2018 or perhaps better Jaws 2019 beta and see if it works.
With Windows 10, the newer versions do work better, but I have no idea if they will help this particular problem.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 5:47 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Online Banking and Picking a Range of Dates when Date Picker is Inaccessible?

Hi, Everyone.
I'm trying to download bank statements from my local American Savings website. I can get to the Statements page, but cannot pick a date range. The edit fields are read-only. on my Braille display, I can see text that shows the month, some white space, and the year. My husband says that there are left and right arrows that flank the month and year, and he can use the mouse to press the arrows to move the month and year incrementally up or down. When I hit the spacebar on the read-only edit field, forms mode turns on and a label that says, "select the date" comes up, but there is no way to change anything in the edit field. There's also a text version with a calendar that I'm assuming will let me choose the day. I have tried labeling the suspected graphic, but am told that I'm not on a graphic.

I am using Win10 and JFW17. I have tried the website with both JFW and NVDA with no luck. I have also tried using IE and Edge with no luck.

Has anyone seen this type of thing before? How have you worked around it?

Also, I remember some years back seeing that someone created a tutorial for Chrome. Is it still out there?

Thanks,
Dani