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moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

David Diamond
 

Funny because some prefer eloquence over real speak from JAWS. The person who did the Australian voice for JAWS said she had a huge manuscript the size of a phone book to record. Also the Texas version of U S English had slight variations. For me, the word motor sounded like murder. It could have been my hearing disability though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: September 20, 2020 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Cool writeup/analysis. I've no doubt we will get there, but I don't think we're
there yet -- I've heard a few top-of-the-lie commercial voice synthesisers
and to me they still haven't quite grasped the inflection and intonations of
the human voice. But they're getting eerily close. So ..in time. And of course,
all our ears are different, too, and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably
already nonexistent for some people.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: September 20, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked:
>what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?

A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres from
acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle wave may be
combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized" clarinet.
However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines.
There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates on
two levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while individual
voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen.
On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and voice
rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech engine. With
purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically modeled, just as
digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7 attempted to create
acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources rather than actual
samples. There's a vital difference between trying to make an electronic
keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and actually recording single notes on
violin or banjo in order to spread them out across the keyboard.
The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples, while
most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively human speech
samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic and human; they're
fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking different words or
parts of words, from which the speech engine constructs its vocabulary
libraries.
As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is at the
point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from anyone's
voice, which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is now possible
to create convincing audio recordings of people allegedly saying things they
never actually said. This is done by sampling enough of their recorded speech
to formulate a lexicon not only of vocabulary, but more important, of their
vocal inflections, the rises, falls, breaths and pauses in their speech.
With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain whether
people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio recordings or
videos.
So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional
Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina










moderated Re: looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

If you are editing the HTML code directly. The syntax is as follows:
<hx> the information you want displayed </hx>
the "x" denotes a number from 1 to 6 depending on what level the heading is on. The highest level is 1. HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020

Hi,

I am having to edit a website I'm one of the administrators on and I am fairly new to this. I am wanting to create headings for various parts of the website. I know I have to type what I want the heading to say first then how do I go about making it a heading using the keyboard? What keystrokes do I use to make this happen? I'm using a Lenovo laptop with Windows 8.1 and JAWS 2020. Does it matter which browser I'm using to edit the website? Are the keystrokes the same no matter which browser I use?
thanks,

Dacia


moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

JM Casey
 

Cool writeup/analysis. I've no doubt we will get there, but I don't think
we're there yet -- I've heard a few top-of-the-lie commercial voice
synthesisers and to me they still haven't quite grasped the inflection and
intonations of the human voice. But they're getting eerily close. So ..in
time. And of course, all our ears are different, too, and this "uncanny
valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via groups.io
Sent: September 20, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked:
>what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?

A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres from
acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle wave may be
combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized" clarinet.
However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines.
There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates on two
levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while individual
voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen.
On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and voice
rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech engine. With
purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically modeled, just as
digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7 attempted to create
acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources rather than actual
samples. There's a vital difference between trying to make an electronic
keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and actually recording single notes
on violin or banjo in order to spread them out across the keyboard.
The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples, while
most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively human speech
samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic and human; they're
fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking different words or parts
of words, from which the speech engine constructs its vocabulary libraries.
As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is at the
point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from anyone's voice,
which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is now possible to create
convincing audio recordings of people allegedly saying things they never
actually said. This is done by sampling enough of their recorded speech to
formulate a lexicon not only of vocabulary, but more important, of their
vocal inflections, the rises, falls, breaths and pauses in their speech.
With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain whether
people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio recordings or
videos.
So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist,
Percussionist and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina


moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 09:00 PM 9/20/2020, Mark asked:
what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?
A synthesizer uses electronic processes to fashion complex timbres from acoustic or electronic sound sources. For example, a triangle wave may be combined with clarinet samples to produce a "synthesized" clarinet.
However, I suspect your question pertains to our text-to-speech engines. There, the distinction between speech synthesizer and voice operates on two levels. The synthesizer is the speech engine as a whole, while individual voices (such as male, female, child, etc.) can be chosen.
On a deeper level, though, the difference between synthesizer and voice rests in the sources for phonemes used by a text-to-speech engine. With purely synthesized speech, human speech is electronically modeled, just as digital FM synthesizers such as the Yamaha DX7 attempted to create acoustic-sounding timbres using electronic sources rather than actual samples. There's a vital difference between trying to make an electronic keyboard sound like a violin or banjo, and actually recording single notes on violin or banjo in order to spread them out across the keyboard.
The old-fashioned speech synthesizer uses no human speech samples, while most text-to-speech engines today do indeed use exclusively human speech samples. That's why today's voices sound more realistic and human; they're fashioned from recordings of human beings speaking different words or parts of words, from which the speech engine constructs its vocabulary libraries.
As a sidenote, this human speech sampling and modeling technology is at the point where one can theoretically make a speech engine from anyone's voice, which has produced some unintended byproducts. It is now possible to create convincing audio recordings of people allegedly saying things they never actually said. This is done by sampling enough of their recorded speech to formulate a lexicon not only of vocabulary, but more important, of their vocal inflections, the rises, falls, breaths and pauses in their speech.
With this modeling technology, we soon will not know for certain whether people have actually said what we've heard them say on audio recordings or videos.
So, there you have it: a little primer on synthesis and sampled sound.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Charlotte, North Carolina


moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Glenn / Lenny
 


A synthesizer is the software or hardware device, like Eloquence or Dectalk, and a voice is the variances, like Eloquence has Reed and Glenn and Dectalk has Harry and other names I cannot remember.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 8:00 PM
Subject: synthesizer versus voice

what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?


moderated synthesizer versus voice

Mark
 

what's the difference between a synthesizer and a voice?


moderated using spyware blaster

Mario
 

is anyone using version 6.0 of the mentioned program? I would like to know if it is accessible with JAWS 2020 (or NVDA), and is it a good program to have
and use?

I don't remember if he is on this list, but I remember Brian Vogel turned me on to using this program again a few years ago.


moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Bob Kennedy
 


Hey Allen,

That did fix it. Sounds backwards to what I was trying to do, but it works now. Thanks

On Saturday, September 19, 2020, 09:42:20 AM EDT, Alan Robbins <arobbins1057@...> wrote:


Bob,

I had this problem a long time ago, the  below fixed it, give it a look:

1. Have Excel open.
2. Press “alt+f” to open the file menu then press “t” for the options.
3. Press “control+tab” until the focus is on the “Advanced” options page.
4. Press “alt+e” to toggle the “Allow editing directly in cells”
option. Ensure that this is unchecked.
5. Press “enter” to save the changes.
Editing cell contents should now work again.
Note that in turning this setting off, does change things slightly for visual users:
• With editing directly in cells enabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the cell itself. Text which would flow out of the cell flows to the right, then to lines below.  Cells covered by this text are hidden while this happens. Text in the edited cell is coloured to highlight cell references and parenthesis.
• With editing directly in cells disabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the formula bar above the worksheet.  Colouring of formula elements is also done in the formula bar rather than the cell while editing.
Only text which fits in the cell is visible in the cell while the formula is being edited.

I hope this helps,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:36 PM
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Hopefully someone has run into this as well.  When I open a cell with F2, unless it is a small number or maybe 2 words in a cell, I can't read by characters.  When I use the arrow keys Jaws says blank unless I am on the line with text and it will read the whole cell at once.  But I can't navigate to the text.

I copied the workbook and opened it on my work computer and I'm fine.  I opened settings for Jaws and both computers have the same settings checked.

I've had a couple people from FS tandem in and they couldn't find anything that would fix the problem.

Thanks for any help














moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Bob Kennedy
 


You're my new hero! Almost sounds backwards to turn off a feature I was trying to do but it fixed the problem. Thanks so much!

On Saturday, September 19, 2020, 09:48:24 AM EDT, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:


Maybe.

1. Open Excel options, alt+f, then t.
2. Arrow down through the categories to advanced.
3. Tab to  "allow editing in cells" and be sure it is *not checked.

Good luck!







moderated Re: looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020

 

I'm confused because it is the website editor (whether something online or standalone) that would determine what the keystroke is to take any specific action in that software.

The starting point is knowing what HTML editor you're using.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated looking for the keystrokes to insert a heading on a website using JAWS 2020

Dacia Cole
 

Hi,

I am having to edit a website I'm one of the administrators on and I
am fairly new to this. I am wanting to create headings for various
parts of the website. I know I have to type what I want the heading
to say first then how do I go about making it a heading using the
keyboard? What keystrokes do I use to make this happen? I'm using a
Lenovo laptop with Windows 8.1 and JAWS 2020. Does it matter which
browser I'm using to edit the website? Are the keystrokes the same no
matter which browser I use?
thanks,

Dacia


moderated Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Richard Turner
 

Try Insert+6 on the number row.

Control+shift+d for default all applications, then search for indentation.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

 

I made some progress. CAPS + V to bring up quick settings. Then search for indentation. There is a setting for it to ignore indentation. However, it has to be configured for each application, it seems. I'm not sure why.


moderated Re: how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Mark
 

I made some progress. CAPS + V to bring up quick settings. Then search for indentation. There is a setting for it to ignore indentation. However, it has to be configured for each application, it seems. I'm not sure why.


moderated how to stop JAWS from speaking indentations

Mark
 

I've been tweaking my Speech and Sound Schemes and I'm not sure if I messed something up. It now seems to describe if it is left, right, centred, etc. justified. I don't ever remember this being spoken before.  I did change the Voice Aliases associated with the indentation rules in my new scheme, but even when I try an pre-configured scheme, I'm still hearing the indentation description.  Any ideas about how I can turn that bit of description off? 


moderated Re: Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Daniel,

 

There are a few commands for which the Insert and Caps Lock keys are not substitutable in laptop mode. Insert J to get to the JAWS menus is one of them, so you must hit Insert J, not Caps Lock J. Other keystrokes where you must use the Insert key are Insert W to get Windows keystroke help and Insert H to get JAWS keystroke help.

 

David


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Richard Turner
 

Jaws 2020 is supposed to have his free scripts by default.
Good luck.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for Zoom?

thanks, richard. that's what I would have expected. Also, insert+h gives me no hotkey list. I think I downloaded some free basic scripts from Brian Hartgen some time ago. I wonder if they are replacing the native JAWS scripts.

I will tinker a bit and see.


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Ann Byrne
 

thanks, richard. that's what I would have expected. Also, insert+h gives me no hotkey list. I think I downloaded some free basic scripts from Brian Hartgen some time ago. I wonder if they are replacing the native JAWS scripts.

I will tinker a bit and see.


moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Ann Byrne
 

Maybe.

1. Open Excel options, alt+f, then t.
2. Arrow down through the categories to advanced.
3. Tab to "allow editing in cells" and be sure it is *not checked.

Good luck!


moderated Re: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Alan Robbins
 

Bob,

I had this problem a long time ago, the below fixed it, give it a look:

1. Have Excel open.
2. Press “alt+f” to open the file menu then press “t” for the options.
3. Press “control+tab” until the focus is on the “Advanced” options page.
4. Press “alt+e” to toggle the “Allow editing directly in cells”
option. Ensure that this is unchecked.
5. Press “enter” to save the changes.
Editing cell contents should now work again.
Note that in turning this setting off, does change things slightly for visual users:
• With editing directly in cells enabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the cell itself. Text which would flow out of the cell flows to the right, then to lines below. Cells covered by this text are hidden while this happens. Text in the edited cell is coloured to highlight cell references and parenthesis.
• With editing directly in cells disabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the formula bar above the worksheet. Colouring of formula elements is also done in the formula bar rather than the cell while editing.
Only text which fits in the cell is visible in the cell while the formula is being edited.

I hope this helps,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:36 PM
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Not able to edit cells with latest Jaws and Excel 2016

Hopefully someone has run into this as well. When I open a cell with F2, unless it is a small number or maybe 2 words in a cell, I can't read by characters. When I use the arrow keys Jaws says blank unless I am on the line with text and it will read the whole cell at once. But I can't navigate to the text.

I copied the workbook and opened it on my work computer and I'm fine. I opened settings for Jaws and both computers have the same settings checked.

I've had a couple people from FS tandem in and they couldn't find anything that would fix the problem.

Thanks for any help


moderated Re: Scripts for Zoom?

Richard Turner
 

Running Jaws 2020, and Zoom, insert q for me says:

Zoom Software settings. zChatUI.dll, z C h a t U I . d l l

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Scripts for Zoom?

when in Zoom, insert+q says default settings, z-chatUI.dll. Are these Zoom settings, I hope?

Thx