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moderated Re: jaws working with dictation software?

jredlichspeaks@...
 

Thank you so much for this good news, Richard.  Does it work well with Jaws, or is it a stand alone program using speech so you can navigate it?

Judy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws working with dictation software?

 

Before trying to use dictation software, try the free Send to Braille utility from American Printing House.  It also puts in a “back from braille” feature. 

https://tech.aph.org/lt/

 

Richard

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of jredlichspeaks@...
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 5:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws working with dictation software?

 

Hi all,

I have lots of things in Braille that I’d like to put into word docs, pdf,  or even .txt docs.  Does anyone have any software they’d recommend?  I’d read the Braille files into the computer and save them somehow so they’d be accessible for cleaning up and saving in those document formats?

 

Has anyone tried dictating with the software that comes with office 365?  If so, how successful was it?

 

Thanks.

Judy

Helping people tell their story and find their highest potential

Encounter show host, Tuesdays 1:30 p.m. KSIV Radio AM/FM St. Louis, MO

Podcast: judyredlich.com/radio

Let’s connect! JudyRedlich.com | linkedin.com/in/judy-redlich

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

 

I already said that I misunderstood thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with a current version of Excel. No, God forbid, I am not using Office 2000 just as I am not using Windows XP or Jaws 9.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 10:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

You must have not read my message correctly.

I wrote that it does not work with Excel 2000.

Are you using Office 2000 as well?

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 12:03 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I am sorry, Glen, but your statement that Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel is absolutely incorrect. I virtually live in Excel when I am working and I haven’t used anything but Jaws 2019 since it came out, in fact, well before then since I am on the Jaws Beta list.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

You might need to keep an older copy of Jaws installed for that program.

I still use Office 2000, because it does all I need it to do, and Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel, but earlier versions do.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 9:38 PM

Subject: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I’ve heard that access 2007 is the latest version that works well with Jaws?  Is this true?  Is the accessibility problem in the inputting of data and reading the fields, or in designing your data base?

 

How does Access work with NBDA?

 

Does anyone use a data base that works well with Jaws?  If so, which one?

Thanks much.

Judy

Judy

Helping people tell their story and find their highest potential

Encounter show host, Tuesdays 1:30 p.m. KSIV Radio AM/FM St. Louis, MO

Let’s connect! JudyRedlich.com | linkedin.com/in/judy-redlich

 


moderated jaws and access

Marvin Hunkin <startrekvoyager@...>
 

Hi. Access 2016, works great with jaws 2019.not sure about office 2000.or 2003, why would you want to go back, not I know 2003, works with jaws, but not totally sure if jaws 2019 works with office 2000. A lot of security and other features have been added, like the ribbons, which I do like.

Marvin.


moderated Re: jaws working with dictation software?

 

Another alternative for dictation is the iOS Just Press Record app. It can be set to transcribe recordings and does a good job when they are dictated. The resulting text file can be shared with email or Dropbox so getting it to one's computer isn't difficult. Just Press Record isn't expensive at $4.99 and you can check it out here:

 

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/just-press-record/id1033342465

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws working with dictation software?

 

There are several options for dictation depending on how much money you can spend. I haven't tried dictation that comes with office 365, so if somebody else has, I look forward to hearing the result. It might accomplish what you want.

Outside of that, generally, one needs a dictation application, one that is able to turn voice text into print, and some ability to access that applications interface with the screen reader, mainly for making corrections. Windows comes with a free, built-in, dictation program, Windows speech recognition, and  you can also buy various versions of Dragon. Windows speech recognition is generally regarded as being inferior to Dragon.

In terms of accessing these programs with a screenreader, A program called Dictation Bridge has been written. It gives access to Windows speech recognition and Dragon,  and it is free. The development of its interface with NVDA is more advanced, but it is also said to work with jaws. http://dictationbridge.com/

If you have a version of Dragon, and want to get the best quality screen reader interface, for simple dictation, you can buy J-Dictate from Hartgen Consultancy for work with JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of jredlichspeaks@...
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws working with dictation software?

 

Hi all,

I have lots of things in Braille that I’d like to put into word docs, pdf,  or even .txt docs.  Does anyone have any software they’d recommend?  I’d read the Braille files into the computer and save them somehow so they’d be accessible for cleaning up and saving in those document formats?

 

Has anyone tried dictating with the software that comes with office 365?  If so, how successful was it?

 

Thanks.

Judy

Helping people tell their story and find their highest potential

Encounter show host, Tuesdays 1:30 p.m. KSIV Radio AM/FM St. Louis, MO

Podcast: judyredlich.com/radio

Let’s connect! JudyRedlich.com | linkedin.com/in/judy-redlich

 


moderated Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

David Moore
 

You are so welcome!

Let me know how I can help!

I have more tutorials that are audio, but there are more out of date!

The concepts are the same though!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 4:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Thanks David.  This is really helpful!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 6:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Hi all!

Here is a folder of text tutorials going over how to use Win10 with JAWS, and you will not need professional help!

Jim Flusche did these tutorials, and they slowly take you through how to do each concept with Windows 10 and JAWS. We have his permission to share these!

All you have to do is press enter on this direct download link, and you can save the folder!

They are text tutorials, so they will download from my drop box link very quickly!

Here is my direct download  Drop Box link to this folder of many Win10 and JAWS tutorials.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ur56izaanlcysuz/AACnbvdS5_lHIesfMQYEBCX0a?dl=1

Let me know if you can get these and learn from them!

I can’t believe what I read about these people who give help!

I do much more than that for free LOL!

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

My experiences were similar.  The sighted trainer quit or got fired by the agency that hired her without finishing the job, promised she would not leave before finishing and of course left me hanging.  The blind person would not keep appointments, frequently sleeping through the time, set out.  He lived by his iPhone yet I guess did not feel it was important enough to keep his iPhone charged or the appointment itself. He played the blind card.  “A blind person cannot tell whether it is night or day.” Try pulling that a 9-5 job.    Upon reflection his boss was the same sighted person that left me and another blind person high and dry.  Thus what do you expect. When I asked that same agency for help they said the sighted person was just doing me a favour by helping me and they could not and would not help.  Helping me?  She dragged it out for at least a year.  I would suggest she was helping herself, not me.  .  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: September 5, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

I once hired a blind friend who held himself out as an access trainer to help with a PC issue.  He actually made things worse, and right in the middle of everything he said that his paratransit ride was coming and he had to leave.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Never a truer word has been spoken.  I remember a couple of people offered or did help with something I needed help with.  The one offering help at cost of course, his spelling was so atrocious that I wondered if he cares so little about spelling and grammar, how could he do a good job on what I wanted? Of course, that is just me.  Some don’t care.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: September 5, 2019 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

There are more access trainers out there than there are flies on a summer's day.  just be careful to check out their creds.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

I have a client who can help. Please feel free to reach out to Roger Cusson at seeing_hands@.... He will be happy to help you out. Best of luck and congratulations on the upgrade!

On 9/5/2019 1:07 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

Soon, I am getting a new PC.  It will have Windows 10 Pro 64 bit.  Currently, I use Windows 7 Pro 64 bit.  I also use JAWS 2019.  So, is there some training I can read about making this transition?

Thanks,

Richard

 

 


moderated Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Thanks David.  This is really helpful!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 6:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Hi all!

Here is a folder of text tutorials going over how to use Win10 with JAWS, and you will not need professional help!

Jim Flusche did these tutorials, and they slowly take you through how to do each concept with Windows 10 and JAWS. We have his permission to share these!

All you have to do is press enter on this direct download link, and you can save the folder!

They are text tutorials, so they will download from my drop box link very quickly!

Here is my direct download  Drop Box link to this folder of many Win10 and JAWS tutorials.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ur56izaanlcysuz/AACnbvdS5_lHIesfMQYEBCX0a?dl=1

Let me know if you can get these and learn from them!

I can’t believe what I read about these people who give help!

I do much more than that for free LOL!

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

My experiences were similar.  The sighted trainer quit or got fired by the agency that hired her without finishing the job, promised she would not leave before finishing and of course left me hanging.  The blind person would not keep appointments, frequently sleeping through the time, set out.  He lived by his iPhone yet I guess did not feel it was important enough to keep his iPhone charged or the appointment itself. He played the blind card.  “A blind person cannot tell whether it is night or day.” Try pulling that a 9-5 job.    Upon reflection his boss was the same sighted person that left me and another blind person high and dry.  Thus what do you expect. When I asked that same agency for help they said the sighted person was just doing me a favour by helping me and they could not and would not help.  Helping me?  She dragged it out for at least a year.  I would suggest she was helping herself, not me.  .  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: September 5, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

I once hired a blind friend who held himself out as an access trainer to help with a PC issue.  He actually made things worse, and right in the middle of everything he said that his paratransit ride was coming and he had to leave.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Never a truer word has been spoken.  I remember a couple of people offered or did help with something I needed help with.  The one offering help at cost of course, his spelling was so atrocious that I wondered if he cares so little about spelling and grammar, how could he do a good job on what I wanted? Of course, that is just me.  Some don’t care.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: September 5, 2019 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

There are more access trainers out there than there are flies on a summer's day.  just be careful to check out their creds.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

I have a client who can help. Please feel free to reach out to Roger Cusson at seeing_hands@.... He will be happy to help you out. Best of luck and congratulations on the upgrade!

On 9/5/2019 1:07 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

Soon, I am getting a new PC.  It will have Windows 10 Pro 64 bit.  Currently, I use Windows 7 Pro 64 bit.  I also use JAWS 2019.  So, is there some training I can read about making this transition?

Thanks,

Richard

 


moderated Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Thanks for this!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Training on Transitioning from Windows 7 to 10 with JAWS

 

Richard,

            I would also suggest you think about joining the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group:

·         Post: win10@win10.groups.io

·         Subscribe: win10+subscribe@win10.groups.io

·         Unsubscribe: win10+unsubscribe@win10.groups.io

·         Group Owner: win10+owner@win10.groups.io

·         Help: win10+help@win10.groups.io


There are just under 600 members at the moment and we're anticipating "the next wave" of members when Windows 7 hits end of life in January.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


I agree,
I was responding to attacks for giving advice for Office 2007.
But according to some, that too should not be allowed too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Is this list moderated?
All of this BS should be taken off list.
The original question was about databases not about complaining about software manufacturers and their unwillingness to stay stuck in the past.
I now wish iPhones could be taught to put certain threads in the trash automatically. 

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


Hey come on,
I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.
I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.
I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

Hi Glen,

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

Regards,

Sieghard


moderated Re: access and jaws

Dan Longmore
 

I hear both sides of this debate but the facts are that technology and software  changes so fast that it becomes almost impossible for newer software to practically support older programs.  And like it or not security is a major concern these days.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

When that is all one has, you help them as you can.

The only real security issue with such old software is importing scripts into Excel, and nobody I worked with did this, and the software they choose is up to them.

But if someone buys software, they should have the right to keep using it, and not have to switch to something that is harder to use because MS needs to satisfy their stock holders.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen, can you please stop complaining about Microsoft and Jaws doing all this horrible stuff with almost 20-year old unsupported software? What you choose to do is your choice, but the fact is that Office 2000 has been unsupported for a long time. I would even go so far as to say that if it is your job to set people up with accessible computer systems it is completely irresponsible to even install such software on their new Windows 10 compuers.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I had installed 2000 on a client's computer for him, on his Win 10 computer, and he was getting along great for what he needed it for, and then Microsoft uninstalled it with an update.

That is a shame on Microsoft.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Richard Turner
 

Is this list moderated?
All of this BS should be taken off list.
The original question was about databases not about complaining about software manufacturers and their unwillingness to stay stuck in the past.
I now wish iPhones could be taught to put certain threads in the trash automatically. 

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


Hey come on,
I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.
I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.
I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


When that is all one has, you help them as you can.
The only real security issue with such old software is importing scripts into Excel, and nobody I worked with did this, and the software they choose is up to them.
But if someone buys software, they should have the right to keep using it, and not have to switch to something that is harder to use because MS needs to satisfy their stock holders.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Hi Glen, can you please stop complaining about Microsoft and Jaws doing all this horrible stuff with almost 20-year old unsupported software? What you choose to do is your choice, but the fact is that Office 2000 has been unsupported for a long time. I would even go so far as to say that if it is your job to set people up with accessible computer systems it is completely irresponsible to even install such software on their new Windows 10 compuers.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I had installed 2000 on a client's computer for him, on his Win 10 computer, and he was getting along great for what he needed it for, and then Microsoft uninstalled it with an update.

That is a shame on Microsoft.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Cristóbal
 

One might also say that by installing a nearly 20 year old software version that has long been abandoned and has God knows how many security vulnerabilities and limitations as this point on a modern machine is doing a major disservice to their client.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I had installed 2000 on a client's computer for him, on his Win 10 computer, and he was getting along great for what he needed it for, and then Microsoft uninstalled it with an update.

That is a shame on Microsoft.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen, can you please stop complaining about Microsoft and Jaws doing all this horrible stuff with almost 20-year old unsupported software? What you choose to do is your choice, but the fact is that Office 2000 has been unsupported for a long time. I would even go so far as to say that if it is your job to set people up with accessible computer systems it is completely irresponsible to even install such software on their new Windows 10 compuers.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I had installed 2000 on a client's computer for him, on his Win 10 computer, and he was getting along great for what he needed it for, and then Microsoft uninstalled it with an update.

That is a shame on Microsoft.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


I had installed 2000 on a client's computer for him, on his Win 10 computer, and he was getting along great for what he needed it for, and then Microsoft uninstalled it with an update.
That is a shame on Microsoft.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

 

Glen,

 

As you stated, you use it by choice but one thing is for sure, there will come a time when it simply won’t work any more. I actually think Office 98 was better than 2000 so why not go back to it? Oh, right, it won’t run on a Windows 10 PC.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hey come on,

I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.

I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.

I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hey come on,
I own two licenses for Office 2019, but I used Office at work, and I hate it.
I like the Office 2000, it does what I need it to do, and there is no reason for me to pollute my computer with the latest and fakest.
I do use Libra Office, which is free, and does not force a new learning curve.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Cristóbal
 

Come on stop. Office 2000 is approaching 20 years old.

Are you telling me that your PC or whatever other equipment you’re using is also that old.

No one’s dismissing the prohibitive cost of technology, software or the constrained budgets the majority of the blind community has to deal with, but this comes off as a totally disingenuous and specious argument.

There are countless ways to obtain a more current version of office. Some I and others have brought up on this and other lists.

I don’t think I’ve paid more than $10 for a stand alone office 2016 license. These can be had on eBay for this and much cheaper. It’s completely legitimate and above board too. Has to do with some EU regulations and the deprecating of computers. It’s also been brought up many times the office 365 subscription model.

I haven’t bothered looking into it, but I’m sure office 2013 or even 2010 licenses can be had for even cheaper.

At this point, if anyone’s still running and depending on office 2000, it’s because they want to. Not because they have to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Sieghard

There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.

So I think that you misunderstand that as well.

I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


Sieghard
There are lots of programs other than Microsoft that require the latest in screen access, such as browsers and audio programs, to name a couple, so that is why we all should have the latest, but we all cannot afford it.
So I think that you misunderstand that as well.
I believe that if the latest NVDA can work with older versions of MS products, and older Jaws can work, then there is no reason for the later Jaws to not keep on working with older Microsoft software that it used to work with.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

 

Hi Glen,

 

I fail to grasp why you expect Vispero to support versions of Office which have long been unsupported with their latest Jaws version? They have their hands full keeping up with all the changes which Microsoft made in Windows 10 and newer versions of Office with respect to screenreader access and trying to support something like Office 2000 would be an entirely inappropriate waste of their time.

I did misunderstand what you said thinking you meant Jaws 2019 did not work with new versions of Excel which it does perfectly well. It is of course up to you if you want to use Office 2000 or 2003 or if people still feel they need to use Windows XP simply because they are afraid to learn something new, but Vispero certainly does not need to support operating systems and software which is no longer supported by Microsoft for the last 10 years or more. Even Office 2007 and 2010 count among those, Office 2013 which is already a lot more like Office 2016 is probably still supported, but even Windows 7 will soon be at the end of its life (can’t remember the exact date I think next year) and Vispero’s efforts right now are very much focused on the future which is Windows 10 and Office 365 and the new deep level hooking which replaces the old accessibility display driver since that technology no longer gets all the information from Windows 10 it needs. This is a big reason why in Windows 10 the Jaws cursor often cannot see/read anything, but there are some improvements in later builds of Jaws 2019 and in Jaws 2020 we should expect some pretty significant improvements in that area which will be fantastic.

I don’t understand why you feel you need the latest version of Jaws when on the other hand you are using a version of Office which is 6 versions old and which was released almost 20 years ago. You already suggested the solution which is to use an older version of Jaws and since any number of Jaws versions can live together on the same PC you can simply use Jaws 2018 or Jaws 18 for your ancient Office version and if you want the best web browsing experience load up Jaws 2019 and use it with Chrome or the new Edge Beta.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 6:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Richard,

I offered the solution of using Jaws 2018, because my proof of concept is that Jaws 2018 works with older Office where 2019 does not.

So that was the solution, and FS needs to change Jaws to work with older versions, which they won't do.

If someone has Jaws 2019, that key should authorize 2018, and if 2018 works for Office 2007, there lies the problem and solution.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I think you are still missing the point, but Office 2007 was the first version that began using the .docx and xlsx, file extensions.

You would be better off comparing to Office 2003.

But, either way, no one has answered Judy’s question about Access or other databases.

 

I’m not a moderator, so feel free to ignore me.  But, it would be nice if the subject line reflected the content of the messages.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 6:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

The question was about an older version of Access, which is an Office product, so affectively, the original question is about Office 2007 with Jaws 2019.

My point was that I use Office 2000, including Excel from that package, and I have to drop back to an older version of Jaws to make it work.

I suspect that Office 2007 is more like 2000 than later versions of Office, no matter which of the Office tools involved.

Other responders on the list don't seem to be responding to the Office 2007 aspect of the original question.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I’m not sure exactly why Excel was brought into this thread, but the original question was about Microsoft Access Database.  Yes, Jaws 2019 works fine with Excel, but here is the original question again. 

Subject: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I’ve heard that access 2007 is the latest version that works well with Jaws?  Is this true?  Is the accessibility problem in the inputting of data and reading the fields, or in designing your data base?

 

How does Access work with NBDA?

 

Does anyone use a data base that works well with Jaws?  If so, which one?

Thanks much.

Judy

 

If folks want to debate Excel, please start a new thread?

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 6:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I use Jaws 2019 with Excel in Office 2016 at work every day and have no major issues. I don’t mess around with charts, graphs, et cetera, just routine data entry, and it works fine.

Tom
On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I am sorry, Glen, but your statement that Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel is absolutely incorrect. I virtually live in Excel when I am working and I haven’t used anything but Jaws 2019 since it came out, in fact, well before then since I am on the Jaws Beta list.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

You might need to keep an older copy of Jaws installed for that program.

I still use Office 2000, because it does all I need it to do, and Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel, but earlier versions do.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 9:38 PM

Subject: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I’ve heard that access 2007 is the latest version that works well with Jaws?  Is this true?  Is the accessibility problem in the inputting of data and reading the fields, or in designing your data base?

 

How does Access work with NBDA?

 

Does anyone use a data base that works well with Jaws?  If so, which one?

Thanks much.

Judy

Judy

Helping people tell their story and find their highest potential

Encounter show host, Tuesdays 1:30 p.m. KSIV Radio AM/FM St. Louis, MO

Let’s connect! JudyRedlich.com | linkedin.com/in/judy-redlich

 


moderated Re: access and jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 


Richard,
I offered the solution of using Jaws 2018, because my proof of concept is that Jaws 2018 works with older Office where 2019 does not.
So that was the solution, and FS needs to change Jaws to work with older versions, which they won't do.
If someone has Jaws 2019, that key should authorize 2018, and if 2018 works for Office 2007, there lies the problem and solution.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: access and jaws

I think you are still missing the point, but Office 2007 was the first version that began using the .docx and xlsx, file extensions.

You would be better off comparing to Office 2003.

But, either way, no one has answered Judy’s question about Access or other databases.

 

I’m not a moderator, so feel free to ignore me.  But, it would be nice if the subject line reflected the content of the messages.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 6:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

The question was about an older version of Access, which is an Office product, so affectively, the original question is about Office 2007 with Jaws 2019.

My point was that I use Office 2000, including Excel from that package, and I have to drop back to an older version of Jaws to make it work.

I suspect that Office 2007 is more like 2000 than later versions of Office, no matter which of the Office tools involved.

Other responders on the list don't seem to be responding to the Office 2007 aspect of the original question.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

I’m not sure exactly why Excel was brought into this thread, but the original question was about Microsoft Access Database.  Yes, Jaws 2019 works fine with Excel, but here is the original question again. 

Subject: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I’ve heard that access 2007 is the latest version that works well with Jaws?  Is this true?  Is the accessibility problem in the inputting of data and reading the fields, or in designing your data base?

 

How does Access work with NBDA?

 

Does anyone use a data base that works well with Jaws?  If so, which one?

Thanks much.

Judy

 

If folks want to debate Excel, please start a new thread?

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 6:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I use Jaws 2019 with Excel in Office 2016 at work every day and have no major issues. I don’t mess around with charts, graphs, et cetera, just routine data entry, and it works fine.

Tom
On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I am sorry, Glen, but your statement that Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel is absolutely incorrect. I virtually live in Excel when I am working and I haven’t used anything but Jaws 2019 since it came out, in fact, well before then since I am on the Jaws Beta list.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: access and jaws

 

You might need to keep an older copy of Jaws installed for that program.

I still use Office 2000, because it does all I need it to do, and Jaws 2019 does not work with Excel, but earlier versions do.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 9:38 PM

Subject: access and jaws

 

Hi,

I’ve heard that access 2007 is the latest version that works well with Jaws?  Is this true?  Is the accessibility problem in the inputting of data and reading the fields, or in designing your data base?

 

How does Access work with NBDA?

 

Does anyone use a data base that works well with Jaws?  If so, which one?

Thanks much.

Judy

Judy

Helping people tell their story and find their highest potential

Encounter show host, Tuesdays 1:30 p.m. KSIV Radio AM/FM St. Louis, MO

Let’s connect! JudyRedlich.com | linkedin.com/in/judy-redlich