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moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 10:23 AM 9/21/2019, Rick Mladek wrote:
Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used hard drive, without sighted assistance?
Yes. Once you successfully boot from a USB or DVD drive, you can run Narrator, which will talk you through the entire installation. The trick is booting to the DVD or USB drive without speech. On my system, I've memorized that F12 opens the boot menu and five down-arrow presses lands me on the DVD boot option. Your system will probably vary depending on its configuration. It would be best to confirm this part of the process with sighted assistance.


Orlando Enrique Fiol


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Richard Turner
 

Well, I can see that.

How much do you use Jaws then? You could get by with NVDA or even Narrator for that matter unless you are doing things that Jaws scripts are needed for.

But, if it works for you; just ignore those of us who use Windows 10 and have the latest Jaws.

Best of luck,

Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know that seems strange, but it works just fine for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7
on this new machine.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know
that seems strange, but it works just fine for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to
install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which
it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7
on this new machine.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement
supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Richard Turner
 

First, it is pointless to install Windows 7 on a new machine since it is almost at the end of its life cycle.
If you are set on Windows 7, the Narrator keystroke is not control+windows+enter, that is the Windows 10 keystroke.
I'm not entirely sure what the Windows 7 command is but it could be Windows+Enter.
Or, you could call Microsoft Accessibility at 800-936-5900 and find out for sure or just Google it.

The new windows 10 is so much better and looks much like Windows 7, and Narrator is vastly improved in Windows 10 and will only get better after the fall update.

I know on two new Windows 10 machines I have worked with in the last year, Cortana came up talking and I did not need any sighted assistance to set it up.
When the time came, Cortana said if you need a screen reader to finish setup hit control+windows+enter.

I have no idea on a home built machine if Windows 10 will behave that way.

Richard


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?

On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Maria Campbell
 

I humbly apologize and consider myself spanked with a wet noodle for my shortcuts of the JAWS version, which probably confused no one.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 9/21/2019 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
He was talking about Jaws 2018 not 18 and there is no 19 or 20, just 2019 and 2020. I know you probably mean that, but 18 and 2018 is certainly potentially confusing and going forward I think it is better to use the proper version designations.
I know there is the old argument about the affordability of Jaws, but I never really understood how once somebody had Jaws initially they could not afford the $5 a month which an SMA effectively costs. I think the problem is that people have to pay $120 every 2 years and it is more of a budgeting issue, they probably wouldn't have any issue with $5/month, but can't come up with $120 as a lumpsum because they don't budget. In any case, just as Windows 10 nowadays gets 2 major updates a year and older versions go out of support relatively quickly, I think it is absolutely important that if you are a Jaws user to also use the most current version of Jaws if you want the best experience.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

I didn't have any focus problems with 18 that I recall, but I sure do with 19 now.  That's why I'm trying out the 20 beta.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 9/21/2019 10:23 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Hi,
Sorry I can't help with the first but I can tell you that 2018 did have a lot of trouble with losing focus. A JAWS re boot at times fixed the problem for a time. Tabbing away and coming back is annoying but works. So far the issue is much less, if at all, in 2019. Yes, Freedom was aware of the issue.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab









moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

 

He was talking about Jaws 2018 not 18 and there is no 19 or 20, just 2019 and 2020. I know you probably mean that, but 18 and 2018 is certainly potentially confusing and going forward I think it is better to use the proper version designations.
I know there is the old argument about the affordability of Jaws, but I never really understood how once somebody had Jaws initially they could not afford the $5 a month which an SMA effectively costs. I think the problem is that people have to pay $120 every 2 years and it is more of a budgeting issue, they probably wouldn't have any issue with $5/month, but can't come up with $120 as a lumpsum because they don't budget. In any case, just as Windows 10 nowadays gets 2 major updates a year and older versions go out of support relatively quickly, I think it is absolutely important that if you are a Jaws user to also use the most current version of Jaws if you want the best experience.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

I didn't have any focus problems with 18 that I recall, but I sure do with 19 now.  That's why I'm trying out the 20 beta.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 9/21/2019 10:23 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Hi,
Sorry I can't help with the first but I can tell you that 2018 did have a lot of trouble with losing focus. A JAWS re boot at times fixed the problem for a time. Tabbing away and coming back is annoying but works. So far the issue is much less, if at all, in 2019. Yes, Freedom was aware of the issue.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab







moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

John Covici
 

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

Absolutely it is.

On 9/21/2019 10:23 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Yes, once you know the installer has started wait a couple of minutes and then press Control + Windows + Enter and Narrator will start up and just as on an iPhone where you can bring up Voiceover to complete the setup, you can then install and setup Windows to the point where you can install your third-party screenreader of choice. I have done it many times and it works great.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Operating System unassisted install

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick


moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Maria Campbell
 

I didn't have any focus problems with 18 that I recall, but I sure do with 19 now.  That's why I'm trying out the 20 beta.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 9/21/2019 10:23 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Hi,
Sorry I can't help with the first but I can tell you that 2018 did have a lot of trouble with losing focus. A JAWS re boot at times fixed the problem for a time. Tabbing away and coming back is annoying but works. So far the issue is much less, if at all, in 2019. Yes, Freedom was aware of the issue.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab






moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
Sorry I can't help with the first but I can tell you that 2018 did have a lot of trouble with losing focus. A JAWS re boot at times fixed the problem for a time. Tabbing away and coming back is annoying but works. So far the issue is much less, if at all, in 2019. Yes, Freedom was aware of the issue.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab


moderated Operating System unassisted install

Rick Mladek
 

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick


moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

 

Have you checked in Settings > Gaming > Game Bar and Game Mode to see that Game Bar and Game Mode is turned off?
You may not like this, but keep in mind that Jaws 2018 is 2 years old, I guess a bit less if you count updates for Jaws 2018 throughout that year, but as Windows moves on (version 1809, 1903 and soon 1909 are all versions which came after Jaws 2018 support ended) you may find more and more issues. Especially in Jaws 2020 people will probably see some pretty drastic improvements with respect to how Jaws access information with the new GDI or deep level hooking, I think currently the old accessibility display driver is still on by default, but I assume this may change very soon.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:27 PM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab


moderated Re: activating windows by script

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Do you have any documentation using Itunes or Spotify with Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: activating windows by script

This is the sort of thing my book, Windows Keyboard Power User Guide
concerns itself with. https://techforblind.us

I don't know if you can do this at work, I suspect you can, but go to the
run dialog and type shell:appsfolder and press enter. You get a listing of
everything installed on the computer. You can put icons to all of them on
the desktop, native Windows apps won't come with such icons by default, and
then assign hotkeys to them. It varies, but most of such hotkeys can be used
to switch to the app as well as launch it, but that doesn't work with Office
apps.

You can certainly pin your most important programs to the task bar. Skype
for Business and Outlook can be pinned. Once you learn the position of the
icons on the task bar, up to ten of them, you can press Windows+Number to
launch or switch to that program.


I suspect at least some of this will work for you.

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marten Post
Uiterweer
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: activating windows by script

Hi,

Is it possible to activate windows by using a script?

You can use ins-f10 and choose an other window, but I want to activate a
window by using a hotkey, so I can allways activate the skype for business
chat window for example or the outlook window.

Earlioer I used autohotkey for this, but at my work they don't want me to
use this program.

Regards, Marten


moderated Re: activating windows by script

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

This is the sort of thing my book, Windows Keyboard Power User Guide
concerns itself with. https://techforblind.us

I don't know if you can do this at work, I suspect you can, but go to the
run dialog and type shell:appsfolder and press enter. You get a listing of
everything installed on the computer. You can put icons to all of them on
the desktop, native Windows apps won't come with such icons by default, and
then assign hotkeys to them. It varies, but most of such hotkeys can be used
to switch to the app as well as launch it, but that doesn't work with Office
apps.

You can certainly pin your most important programs to the task bar. Skype
for Business and Outlook can be pinned. Once you learn the position of the
icons on the task bar, up to ten of them, you can press Windows+Number to
launch or switch to that program.


I suspect at least some of this will work for you.

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marten Post
Uiterweer
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: activating windows by script

Hi,

Is it possible to activate windows by using a script?

You can use ins-f10 and choose an other window, but I want to activate a
window by using a hotkey, so I can allways activate the skype for
business chat window for example or the outlook window.

Earlioer I used autohotkey for this, but at my work they don't want me
to use this program.

Regards, Marten


moderated activating windows by script

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi,

Is it possible to activate windows by using a script?

You can use ins-f10 and choose an other window, but I want to activate a
window by using a hotkey, so I can allways activate the skype for
business chat window for example or the outlook window.

Earlioer I used autohotkey for this, but at my work they don't want me
to use this program.

Regards, Marten