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moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

JM Casey
 

You can go to task manager, hit g key until it says “google chrome”, then just hit the delete key to end the task. If chrome is already in a non-responsive state (which it sounds like has happened) you will not even get a prompt, hitting delete will just do the trick. Then, check to make sure all instances of google chrome are closed (hit the g key again).

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 20, 2020 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: switching to running programs

JM Casey
 

It definitely is a problem related in some way to JAWS, though you’d think it wouldn’t affect task switching behaviour. It’s not exclusive to JAWS 2021 – I definitely had this happen a few times with JAWS 18 and possibly 2018 as well. Restarting JAWS does seem to fix this intermitent problem. Alternatively, there are more efficient ways to switch to desired applications than alt-tabbing (I’m not criticising, I often fall back on this method, too) – a good reason to start using some of them more frequently.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: November 20, 2020 01:06 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

Randy Barnett
 

Well, If you think audio is only properly reproduced through specialized components and very sophisticated speakers and are willing to build them yourself or spend a lot of money for them then you are a audiophile.

There are tons of audio forums on the net and I don't know if a blind specific one would get much traffic. you can e-mail me privately and we could talk. I have build cross overs and speaker systems for years and am getting back into it again with a dual 18" sub woofer build and a single 21" sub build. Basically large subs that you wont find in any box store or most brick and mortar stereo shops. At least not for several time the cost.

On 11/20/2020 8:54 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

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Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

As many as you find useful. I have several including IE witch I don't use unless all other options fail but that still happens on occasion

FireFox, IE, Edge, Chrome, waterfox, Brave and Vavaldi.

On 11/20/2020 11:20 AM, David Csercsics wrote:
Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge, even though they're the same engine? That's confusing? How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?







moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, One of the reasons IE will work when others won't is that Jaws has a lot of extra scripting for it. The Accessibility of IE was bad and all kinds of workarounds were created so that is why in some cases jaws will still work better in IE than Chromium based browsers. Which most all are except for Firefox. There are really just 3 types of browsers. IE which as Brian pointed out is outdated, Chromium based ones like Chrome and Edge and Firefox which uses it's own rendering engine.

On 11/20/2020 9:44 AM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

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moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

As always you are not getting that we often don't have a choice. Sometimes IE is the only way to do something we need to do. So in effect you are telling us to just not do it and rely on sighted help. Of courts we understand the risk and are capable of making that decision are selfs.

On 11/20/2020 10:16 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Robin,

            The only broad insight I can offer is that Internet Explorer has not been being maintained, beyond security updates, for a very long time now.  It has not been keeping up with web coding changes, and there have been very many, since it went into what I call "walking dead" stage.  What you get when using IE can, in many instances, be significantly different than what you get in any currently maintained browser, and there are occasions where what you get may be "easier to use" and others where it's an absolute mess.  You really should not be using IE, ever, when security is important, e.g., online banking.  Here I'll insert my usual list of articles on why you should dump IE, immediately if not sooner, a number written by experts on IE:

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler        (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...            (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.

Using any one of many currently supported browsers, Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi, Waterfox, and the list goes on and on will also provide occasions where one "plays with" a given website better than another, or possibly multiple others, do.  I recently submitted a bug report to the folks at NVDA because I was getting wildly different behaviors between Firefox and Chrome, and one of the things I learned during the back and forth on this issue is that any screen reader often has to make guesses and decisions, the former if certain information is absent, and the latter if it's present, but could be ignored or processed in different ways.  'Tis the nature of the beasts, and the exact behaviors can vary depending on the specific beasts involved.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

JM Casey
 

I have my system set to open “this pc” when I press windows key + e. Very quick and convenient.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 20, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

Mark:

 

I have an icon for “this PC” on my computer, and once there, I arrow down to my list of drives which is at the bottom of the listview.  Once there, I right arrow to the drive I want to access.

 

I have instructions here somewhere for putting the “this PC” icon on the desktop if you want them.  They are not self evident from the start.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

List,

 

How do I see the list of drives on a Windows 10 operating system?  In Windows 7, I opened up “Computer” and found the list of drives i.e. removable drives etc.  Thanks in advance-

Mark

 


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:20 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?
-
This is entirely a personal choice.  I happen to have four Chromium-based browsers on my system, Chrome, Edge, Brave, and Vivaldi (the last of which I very, very seldom use) along with Firefox.

I'd say two browsers that use the same underlying technology is sufficient to allow you to do a quick and dirty check as to whether there is some browser-related difference between two built on the same code base.  And even that's only necessary if you really use one of them frequently.

I was once a Firefox only end user, and still use it extensively, but I've not installed any of its spin-offs so that I can check out whether a given peculiarity in Firefox might not occur in a spin off.

I tend to check across Firefox and any one of the Chromium-based browsers for behavior differences, or between two Chromium-based browsers, most frequently.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

JM Casey
 

It’s not too active, but you caould try the All Audio group

All-audio+subscribe@groups.io

 

Definitely some audiophiles on the Reaper without Peepers list, too, but the list is obviously more specifically geared toward that programme.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:20 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge
-
Just one data point, but not yet in my experience.  That doesn't mean there could not come a time where this might occur if the Chromium code base were updated and those changes pulled in to one Chromium-based browser ahead of some other one.  Even though they use the same core code base, they don't all update to it in perfect synchrony.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

David Csercsics
 

Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge, even though they're the same engine? That's confusing? How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

Robin,

            The only broad insight I can offer is that Internet Explorer has not been being maintained, beyond security updates, for a very long time now.  It has not been keeping up with web coding changes, and there have been very many, since it went into what I call "walking dead" stage.  What you get when using IE can, in many instances, be significantly different than what you get in any currently maintained browser, and there are occasions where what you get may be "easier to use" and others where it's an absolute mess.  You really should not be using IE, ever, when security is important, e.g., online banking.  Here I'll insert my usual list of articles on why you should dump IE, immediately if not sooner, a number written by experts on IE:

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler        (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...            (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.

Using any one of many currently supported browsers, Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi, Waterfox, and the list goes on and on will also provide occasions where one "plays with" a given website better than another, or possibly multiple others, do.  I recently submitted a bug report to the folks at NVDA because I was getting wildly different behaviors between Firefox and Chrome, and one of the things I learned during the back and forth on this issue is that any screen reader often has to make guesses and decisions, the former if certain information is absent, and the latter if it's present, but could be ignored or processed in different ways.  'Tis the nature of the beasts, and the exact behaviors can vary depending on the specific beasts involved.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Richard Turner
 

Will you have to get an exception to try NVDA?

I think I’d go that route first.

Sounds like Workday.  What a pain.

 

 

 

Richard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:45 AM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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moderated Re: Suggestions of how to use Google slides using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10 needed please

Marsha Drenth
 

I am also interested in the below information regarding Google slides. Did anyone respond?

 

Thank you,

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Suggestions of how to use Google slides using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10 needed please

 

Hi All,

 

I was contacted by a professor about a new course I am beginning using Zoom. He wants me to be able to access google slides and be able to edit within the slides.

 

I do have a gmail account.

 

I have found some information on google documents but not google slides.

 

If anyone has any suggestions of resources to help me learn this, that would be great as I have never used the google suite and have my gmail set up to use in outlook.

I am a person who is totally blind, using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.

 

I plan to have Zoom open on one device and resources such as google slides and the workbook and texts on a separate laptop with earbud for that computer tucked in my headset and microphone that is connected to the laptop I am using for Zoom.

Thank-you for any advice.

Respectfully yours,

Sharon Ballantyne

Sharon.ballantyne@...

 


moderated Re: Access to network license via VPN

Thomas Stivers
 

Jacob,

You will be able to authorize your network copies of JAWS over a VPN as long as the clients can reach the license server. You will want to set the system environment variable LSFORCEHOST to the domain name or IP address of your license server. The clients will need ongoing access to the server as JAWS phones home regularly.

This setup is pretty frustrating as you or your users will constantly be getting dumped into demo mode whenever the VPN goes away. I reached out to FS about this issue and they set up my organization to be in their sponsored software program. The rep stated that this is available to organizations who have network licenses of JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText. This way anyone with an email address at our domain can get an annual subscription to JAWS which will continue to be renewed as long as they are with the organization. These annual licenses of JAWS are not tied to the VPN at all. They will continue to work on subways, airplanes, Etc.

As far as I know this is all legal and above board as it was a result of me reaching out to FS tech support.

I hope this is helpful, and good luck!

Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:45 AM
To: JFW <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Access to network licence via VPN

Hi!


In the job we use network licences for JAWS and ZoomText. It works fine but if a client leave the building the licence is ofcourse lost. Does any one know if it's possible to get access to a licence if I install a VPN server on the PC that host the licence server? Then the clients can connect via VPN when they're out of range on our wifi to grab a licence.
Also one more important question. If it's possible will it be legal then? The meaning is ofcourse only to give access to the licences for our own PC's.


OZ0TE Jacob


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Chris Hill
 

I'd try firefox.  There is only one way to know, but my guess is that it will likely be different than chrome or ie.  This is the state of the world now-a-days, different browsers work differently on complex pages.



On 11/20/2020 11:44, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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moderated Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

Chris
 

Its now called This PC type it into search to find it

 

 

From: Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: 20 November 2020 15:22
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

List,

 

How do I see the list of drives on a Windows 10 operating system?  In Windows 7, I opened up “Computer” and found the list of drives i.e. removable drives etc.  Thanks in advance-

Mark

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

Bill White
 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Van Lant, Robin
 

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

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