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moderated Re: create a system image.

James Bentley
 

Hello Dave,

 

I wasn’t even aware that an IFW PE existed.  I do not see that in my version of IFW but there is so much stuff there, I do not doubt it.

 

But, in my post, I was referring to the IFW create recovery boot disk.  This comes with the Image for Windows software.  This is not a WinPE.  It is however, a utility, more specifically, a recovery utility that came with my IFW.  It absolutely does include Narrator which allows a blind person to do a complete image restore without a Win10PE or any other utilities or software.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA  and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Setting Outlook up for JAWS

Richard Turner
 

I would call Microsoft Accessibility and ask how to disable the reading pane for all views: 800-936-5900

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Setting Outlook up for JAWS

 

Does anybody have a tried and tested tutorial for configuring Outlook to run with JAWS? I know one of the main steps with this is switching off the Reading Pane in all views, but I can't get this to work consistently and none of the tutorials I've found online seem to do the trick.

 

--

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


moderated Re: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

Cristóbal
 

As I explained in my initial email, I have accessibility settings (control+alt+Z) enabled

My question wasn’t about how to read cell information, but rather how to jump to the end of the data or alternatively, how to have focus land on the last row of data when opening the Google sheet or refreshing the same document.

IN any event, someone else on another list was able to provide an answer on at least how to jump to the last row of data by invoking the pass through keyboard command (insert+3)then control+down arrow.  

It would still be nice to know how to have a sheet always open on the last row of data, but I guess that’s more a general Google docs question and not necessarily a screen reader one.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

 

You need to enable google keyboard support by hitting ctrl - alt - z

Then turn off jaws browse mode insert - z

Thats where you can read all the cell or info on google sheet.

Below is the website where google list all of the keyboard shortcut

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 06:06, E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley45@...> wrote:

Try JAWS-key+spacebar+m. 

 

EMK

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to jump to the end of the data in a Google docs spread sheet with Jaws or if it is even possible?

The Excel commands with the end/home plus the different arrow keys don’t appear to work. I have both the accessibility and Braille display settings enabled as well as the use similar commands as in other spread sheet programs or whatever it’s called.

I’ve poked around in the list of keystroke commands (including for navigation) also in settings and didn’t find anything either.

Ideally, I’d like for focus to land on the last row with data as this spread sheet in particular is always being updated. Indeed, when viewing a Google spreadsheet with VoiceOver on the iPhone, focus is always on the last row of data when opening the document, but working with a spreadsheet or reviewing information this way at least for me, isn’t efficient enough to make it the primary means in which I wish to work.

For the record, I’m using the most current versions of Jaws 2021 and Edge.

Thank you,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: create a system image.

Glenn / Lenny
 


Dave,
On WinPE you can simply pull the plug so to speak, or even literally when shutting down with WinPE, as it is only loaded in RAM, so nothing would get broke.
It's wiped out on power off.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Randy:
 
I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.
 
As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.
 
I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.
 
When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.
 
HTH
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
I did need a bit of sighted help to restore
-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Setting Outlook up for JAWS

James Benstead
 

Does anybody have a tried and tested tutorial for configuring Outlook to run with JAWS? I know one of the main steps with this is switching off the Reading Pane in all views, but I can't get this to work consistently and none of the tutorials I've found online seem to do the trick.

--
Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


James:
 
The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA  and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

James:
 
In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Dave Durber
 

Alan:

See the reply, I have just posted to James.

I have use the I F W restore utility with both Talking Windows Preinstall Environments. In both cases the utility is very easy to use by anyone who is visually impaired.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Excellent post. What I've always found is creating images is pretty blind friendly. The problem comes when restoring the image. Have you tried restoring as per below and is it possible without sighted assistance?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system, any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program, the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was, when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made, when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then
restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:
Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first
window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are
on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH




moderated Re: create a system image.

James Bentley
 

Dave,

 

It’s been so many years since I used IFW to create a bootable recovery thumb drive , I do not remember all of the steps.

But, if an IFW user goes to the start menu and looks through the IFW menu , they will want to click on create an IFW recovery boot disk.  Note, you will get the option to create a bootable disk or a bootable thumb drive.  I do not remember exactly how it is worded.

 

I hope that Narrator is still incorporated in to their bootable recover disk.

 

One advantage to Image for Windows is their 30-day free trial version.

 

Note, there will be options to download Image for DOS, (IFD),

Image for Lennox, (IFL), and Image for Windows, (IFW), For modern PC’s I strongly recommend using IFW.

 

I believe that having an image back up stored away from your PC, for example, on an external drive that is not connected to your PC to be critical if you value your data.

 

If coming up with around forty dollars for IFW is a problem, one could always down load the free version of Macrium Reflect.  A visually impaired person can make the image backups.  And, they would just have to learn how to use one of the talking WinPE options to do a restoration  of their PC.

 

If worst comes to worst, one can just use the free version of Macrium Reflect to create your images and find sighted assistance if you need to restore your system.

 

Finding eye sight at 3 in the morning isn’t convenient but loosing all of your valuable data is far worse.

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan Robbins
 

Dave,

Excellent post. What I've always found is creating images is pretty blind friendly. The problem comes when restoring the image. Have you tried restoring as per below and is it possible without sighted assistance?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system, any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program, the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was, when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made, when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then
restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:
Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first
window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are
on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH




moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


James:
 
In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Richard Turner
 

I too would stick with SSD depending on your space needs 512 GB or 1 TB.

I would not put the files I value on an HD drive these days since the price of SSD has come down so far.

 

I believe there is now an I8 if not an I9 chip.

I have the I7 and it is great and all I need.

 

Make sure you have at least 3 USB ports.

A built-in SD card reader.

I don’t know if Windows is putting in USBC ports, but that would be nice since many things are going that way.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: if you were getting a new computer.

 

If I could get one right now, here's what I'd do.

    I'd definitely get 16-32 GB of ram, because if you want the thing to last for 6-7 years, you just never know what's going to be needed that far down the road. I'd definitely go for an I7, although it doesn't have to be the fastest one out there, they're already fast.

    I'd see if I could get a 1 TB SSd, and a 2-4 TB external drive. That should store everything you need, and then some. There's most likely no need for a secondary internal drive, if you can pull off a 1 TB SSD.

On 4/15/2021 5:42 AM, john clayton wrote:

Hi Jim,

 Here's what I would suggest you get.

 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 

 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.

8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.

Hope that helped some,

 

 

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


 

--

***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

If I could get one right now, here's what I'd do.

    I'd definitely get 16-32 GB of ram, because if you want the thing to last for 6-7 years, you just never know what's going to be needed that far down the road. I'd definitely go for an I7, although it doesn't have to be the fastest one out there, they're already fast.

    I'd see if I could get a 1 TB SSd, and a 2-4 TB external drive. That should store everything you need, and then some. There's most likely no need for a secondary internal drive, if you can pull off a 1 TB SSD.

On 4/15/2021 5:42 AM, john clayton wrote:
Hi Jim,
 Here's what I would suggest you get.
 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 
 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.
8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.
Hope that helped some,

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim



--
***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Barbara Sheinbein
 

Hi Jim,

 

Others have mentioned some specs, but I do have a few other ideas for you to consider.  You probably want to be sure your new computer has a camera, one which automatically focuses.  Why you ask?  If you participate in any zoom meetings with friends or family, they will want to see you.  Only one of my two computers has a camera and I must be sure to use it in these situations.

 

Another suggestion is your backup situation.  There are a lot of ways to do this nowadays.  I currently purchased Office 365 which has a very reasonable fee system.  You can set this up with your wife and she can have access to your files.  There is a way to do this and also a way not to share, so you can keep all your secrets!  It is JAWS friendly.  You will have lots of storage for your music or anything else you wish.  There are a variety of packages to select from.  Keep in mind this is where Microsoft is putting all their efforts, so it will likely always be the most accessible.  I also wanted this so if I am unable to access my information due to health for example, my family who I share this with can get access to important information.  There are other cloud storage options out there, but you may want to look at those, but after my own review with my sister, we decided on One Drive.

 

This would eliminate you looking for a less expensive version of Office as well.

 

I also have a network drive.  This has some duplication with the cloud storage, but I had this before I signed up for Office 365.  A network drive allows me to store and work from this physical drive which operates via the modem.  There is a password to prevent others from getting access.  It automatically backs up to a mirror drive so if the primary drive goes bad, all my information will still be available.

 

Lots of moving pieces to consider.  Smile.

 

Good luck.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


moderated Re: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

Thomas N. Chan
 

You need to enable google keyboard support by hitting ctrl - alt - z
Then turn off jaws browse mode insert - z
Thats where you can read all the cell or info on google sheet.
Below is the website where google list all of the keyboard shortcut

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 06:06, E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley45@...> wrote:

Try JAWS-key+spacebar+m. 

 

EMK

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to jump to the end of the data in a Google docs spread sheet with Jaws or if it is even possible?

The Excel commands with the end/home plus the different arrow keys don’t appear to work. I have both the accessibility and Braille display settings enabled as well as the use similar commands as in other spread sheet programs or whatever it’s called.

I’ve poked around in the list of keystroke commands (including for navigation) also in settings and didn’t find anything either.

Ideally, I’d like for focus to land on the last row with data as this spread sheet in particular is always being updated. Indeed, when viewing a Google spreadsheet with VoiceOver on the iPhone, focus is always on the last row of data when opening the document, but working with a spreadsheet or reviewing information this way at least for me, isn’t efficient enough to make it the primary means in which I wish to work.

For the record, I’m using the most current versions of Jaws 2021 and Edge.

Thank you,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

john clayton
 

Hi Jim,
 Here's what I would suggest you get.
 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 
 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.
8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.
Hope that helped some,

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim



--
***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: create a system image.

James Bentley
 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Dave Durber
 

Jim:
 
All my PC computers, have 2 120 GB Kingston SSD drives, 1 for the system and any programs I have installed, and the other for holding a fixed PageFile.sys, and for holding folders such as Contacts; Documents; Downloads; Favorites. If I chose, I could also have Music; Saved Games; Pictures; Searches; Videos; located on the drive. I also have my email clients folders stored on the drive.
 
By not having any personal data on the system drive, I do not have to think about which folders need to be copied or moved, before I perform an image backup of the drive. In addition, by not storing any personal data on the system drive, image backup files are smaller, and therefore, they take less time to create, and restore, which means that, If I need to restore an image to any of the systems, I am able to use that particular computer much faster.
 
One of my PC computers, which I call my server, has 4, 4 TB HDD drives, for storing the rest of my personal data.
 
If you went for the same configuration, you could add 1 or more SSD or HDD drives, to store the rest of your personal data.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:26 AM
Subject: if you were getting a new computer.

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Dave Durber
 

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system, any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program, the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was, when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made, when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:
Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH



moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


Justin:
 
It is short for "Windows Preinstall Environment".
 
What program are you using to backup your system drive?
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

What is win PE?

 

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


Randy:
 
I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.
 
As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.
 
I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.
 
When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.
 
HTH
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
I did need a bit of sighted help to restore
-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

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