Sorry, I thought the list would have some experts to suggest possible solutions. I found that submitting comments to Mozilla's support also requires visual confirmation/verification, so that wouldn't help things. Is there another blind-friendly list to discuss this with that won't take verification to log in or post comments? Webvisum is very busy and slow to respond. Thanks anyone.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

why the frack aren't you pummeling Firefox with this instead of weeping about it here, that's my freaking plan, gods what a bunch of whips

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

That's a shame!!! Now what shall we do with websites that require verifying yourself to sign in or submit a comment, to verify you're a real human and not a robot? Pity the independent blind users who can't find somebody to help fill in the box or solve the captchas, or don't want to be a nuisance to people who are too busy to jump up and come to their aid!

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Hi list sorry to report this but, we may not ever have it back. webvisum was disabled the other day when Firefox 5 was installed. it seems mozilla has decided that they will now release new versions of firefox every two months. the word on the NFB graphic user interface list is that webvisum will likely give up trying to update it since there is likely no way for them to ever keep up with this new timetable. Thank you mozilla for caring so much to protect the internet from us dangerous blind hackers/spammers. I wouldn't get my hopes up for a screen reader to have it built in since if they can do that, the real spammers would be able to do it to so that would defeat the whole need for capcha.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fw: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Now that the list is back online, here are some of the latest developments in my attempts to recover the use of Webvisum. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


that one you would have to take to a group, I'd ask it on both the blind geek zone and/or the list provided by web visum I'm having some odd difficulties with my current system and can't get web visum to run correctly here on my main, but it loaded and ran fine on my secondary and tertiary computers, so I don't have a good answer for you!

sorry,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane
Cc: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


Webvisum sent me a new password; I logged in with the new password and tried once again to install the plugin, but still I can't get it to work--I get the "unavailable" message following the "install button" prompt. Is there an issue with my system or browser security settings, or do I actually need an invitation code in addition to the password? Do I need to upgrade Firefox to use this copy of the plugin? Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum plugin lost


there is a spot, pardon a link where you can fill out a "request" and get an invitation to web visum, if you remember your address and sign in password (the same ones you input into web visum so it could automatically sign in) you can go and download it again, I would use revo uninstaller to pull out the old web visum, and then reinstall a new copy.

or at worst case, contact me again and I will get you an invite since I remember both my sign in and my password

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane ; Adrian Spratt ; Gerald Levy ; Negoslav Sabev
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: Fw: Webvisum plugin lost


Good morning. I'm sending this to you individuals because the JFW list seems to be down right now.
Yesterday I sent this to the Webvisum Discuss listserv and subscribed to their mailing list, but I suspect they may be very slow to respond. If I don't hear from them in a week or so, what do I do with Web sites that require verification? I could try Solona but not sure if that works with Firefox, or if it can handle captchas and images as efficiently as Webvisum. Thanks for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: Webvisum plugin lost


Hi all. Recently I've been reading some posts regarding updating to the latest version of Firefox, and that Webvisum hadn't released an update for that version. For some time I've been able to use it on my current version of Firefox 3.6. Someone suggested I download a portable version of Firefox 5 to see how it worked and whether or not Webvisum worked with it. Another post explained a work around for accessing Webvisum with Firefox 5.0, by going to the install.rdf file and changing the max number from 4 to 5. I did this and saved the change, then downloaded the portable Firefox 5, but this created an error message in Firefox 3 saying the file wasn't well-formed or something. Webvisum not only didn't work on the portable Firefox, but now it no longer works on Firefox version 3, and I also deleted the install file for Webvisum and the plugin is no longer there.
Can you suggest a way to get a new plugin for Webvisum to download again to Firefox 3? I'm already logged in, but can't find a link to download the plugin. I erroneously sent a request for an invitation but discovered that's not necessary if I know my username and password. Thanks for your assistance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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Sorry, I thought the list would have some experts to suggest possible
solutions. I found that submitting comments to Mozilla's support also
requires visual confirmation/verification, so that wouldn't help things.
Is there another blind-friendly list to discuss this with that won't take
verification to log in or post comments? Webvisum is very busy and slow
to respond. Thanks anyone.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for
Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

why the frack aren't you pummeling Firefox with this instead of weeping
about it here, that's my freaking plan, gods what a bunch of whips

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

That's a shame!!! Now what shall we do with websites that require
verifying yourself to sign in or submit a comment, to verify you're a
real human and not a robot? Pity the independent blind users who can't
find somebody to help fill in the box or solve the captchas, or don't
want to be a nuisance to people who are too busy to jump up and come to
their aid!

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for

Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Hi list sorry to report this but, we may not ever have it back.
webvisum was disabled the other day when Firefox 5 was installed. it
seems mozilla has decided that they will now release new versions of
firefox every two months. the word on the NFB graphic user interface
list is that webvisum will likely give up trying to update it since
there is likely no way for them to ever keep up with this new
timetable. Thank you mozilla for caring so much to protect the internet

from us dangerous blind hackers/spammers. I wouldn't get my hopes up
for a screen reader to have it built in since if they can do that, the
real spammers would be able to do it to so that would defeat the whole
need for capcha.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fw: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Now that the list is back online, here are some of the latest
developments in my attempts to recover the use of Webvisum. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


that one you would have to take to a group, I'd ask it on both the
blind geek zone and/or the list provided by web visum I'm having some
odd difficulties with my current system and can't get web visum to run
correctly here on my main, but it loaded and ran fine on my secondary
and tertiary computers, so I don't have a good answer for you!

sorry,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane
Cc: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


Webvisum sent me a new password; I logged in with the new password and

tried once again to install the plugin, but still I can't get it to
work--I get the "unavailable" message following the "install button"
prompt. Is there an issue with my system or browser security settings,

or do I actually need an invitation code in addition to the password?
Do I need to upgrade Firefox to use this copy of the plugin? Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum plugin lost


there is a spot, pardon a link where you can fill out a "request"
and get an invitation to web visum, if you remember your address and
sign in password (the same ones you input into web visum so it could
automatically sign in) you can go and download it again, I would use
revo uninstaller to pull out the old web visum, and then reinstall a
new copy.

or at worst case, contact me again and I will get you an invite
since I remember both my sign in and my password

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane ; Adrian Spratt ; Gerald Levy ; Negoslav Sabev
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: Fw: Webvisum plugin lost


Good morning. I'm sending this to you individuals because the JFW

list seems to be down right now.
Yesterday I sent this to the Webvisum Discuss listserv and
subscribed to their mailing list, but I suspect they may be very slow
to respond. If I don't hear from them in a week or so, what do I do
with Web sites that require verification? I could try Solona but not
sure if that works with Firefox, or if it can handle captchas and
images as efficiently as Webvisum. Thanks for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: Webvisum plugin lost


Hi all. Recently I've been reading some posts regarding updating
to the latest version of Firefox, and that Webvisum hadn't released an
update for that version. For some time I've been able to use it on my
current version of Firefox 3.6. Someone suggested I download a
portable version of Firefox 5 to see how it worked and whether or not
Webvisum worked with it. Another post explained a work around for
accessing Webvisum with Firefox 5.0, by going to the install.rdf file
and changing the max number from 4 to 5. I did this and saved the
change, then downloaded the portable Firefox 5, but this created an
error message in Firefox 3 saying the file wasn't well-formed or
something. Webvisum not only didn't work on the portable Firefox, but
now it no longer works on Firefox version 3, and I also deleted the
install file for Webvisum and the plugin is no longer there.
Can you suggest a way to get a new plugin for Webvisum to download

again to Firefox 3? I'm already logged in, but can't find a link to
download the plugin. I erroneously sent a request for an invitation
but discovered that's not necessary if I know my username and password.

Thanks for your assistance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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You don't mean control-shift-r, I think. You mean JAWS key-shift-r.

The simplest way of getting to the "From" field in both OE and Outlook is
by
pressing alt and while that is held down, twice quickly the 1 key above
the
letters.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of inthane
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:20 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail
maystillbedelayed for some.

for any who need the information, if the shift control r does not give you

a
reply addressed to the Email sender there may be two reasons for this, one
may well be that the person has his personnel settings for the list set to
not give out his address to the general list; the other seems to be a
failure of jaws due to who knows what criteria.

to take care of this, instead of hitting control shift and R, hit the
applications key and enter on properties for the message. with the jaws
cursor you can see there should be a return address in the general
properties area/tab, you can also "virtualize " the screen and use your
regular pc cursor to find, and in fact this is a better way to see it
since
you can also highlight and copy the return address and then paste it into
a
new message to send to the person who originally sent the message.


if this doesn't work, there is another way but that is a long to do, and
I'll hand that one out to folks on a one on one message basis, all this is
legal, but some folks do want there address kept as quiet as possible and
giving away all my crafty little secrets is no fun! smile

HTH,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'Douglas Richard Dexheimer'" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "'The Jaws
for
Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: RE: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may
stillbedelayed for some.

No, Douglas. Insert-shift-r is reply to sender. It doesn't add the sender
to
the address book. At least, it doesn't in my experience, and I've never
read
anywhere that it's supposed to. This is the one part of his sad message
that
he got right. However, it doesn't work for many users, as has frequently
been reported on this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may still
bedelayed for some.

That keystroke is a shortcut alternative to adding the original sender to
one's address book and forwarding a list message to that sender. Thanks
Shane.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Davidson" <shane@shaned.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Why should he hand things to you on a silver pladder?
Read the from field, or even better, your oln this list, you use jaws,
so
instead of pressing ctrl+r press shift+JAWSKey+R and then compose your
reply.
Watch what happens.
That's right, the list won't have to seee you wine, the original poster
will
see it.
So, find a message from james, hit that keystroke, compose your message,
send, and quit wining on this list.
He's specifically asked it, multiple times, and this is getting oold.
No wonder most of the blind community is jobless, most of them, want it
all
handed to them on a silver pladder just like mommy and daddy did for
them
as
children.
Sorry people, that's not how the real world works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:53 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Shane, this was a politely stated request based on real problems people
are
having unsubscribing, as others are having in trying to get back on the
list. I have written to James to suggest he provide his direct email
address
in link form on his posts. Otherwise, it's hard for people who have been
away from the list to know how to contact him or Jessica, the other
moderator.

Your messages on this subject have been immoderate. Please try to be
civil
out of respect for the rest of us.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

He specifically asked for off list. Please do so.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Edwin E. Staudt III"
<ed@virtualvisiontech.com>
wrote:

James,

Please unsubscribe me from the list. I apologize for the request, but

have

made attempts to unsubscribe from the Website several times, receive
confirmation, but the action fails to complete.

Thanks for the help and Good Luck going forward.

Ed

Edwin E. Staudt III, Ph.D.
VP for Corporate Services
virtual vision Technologies
www.VirtualVisionTech.com
610. 734-0711
484. 461-8724 FAX
National Woman Owned Small Business
NWOBC Certification # CMA 4879
SWaM Certification Number: 657637

The Power of Technology & Training for Educating & Employing Disabled
Persons Ed@VirtualVisionTech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:03 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Folks,

If you were subscribed to this list after the move, it was because
your email address was on this list's previous incarnation, most
likely over on freelists.org. That list was moved to a new location,
which subsequently required a second move when that location became no
longer an option. You have the option of unsubscribing, or asking me
*off-list* to do so for

you.

Complaining about being on the list, especially by way of posting
messages to that list, does not a solution make.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Rocky Kahn
Sent: July 1, 2011 5:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Many people (including myself) have followed his instructions to

unsubscribe

(opt-out) but continue to receive all messages. Asking folks to
receive

an

indefinite amount of spam so that others can have continuity of posts

seems

like a raw deal. Spammer can make a similar rationalization, some
people like my posts so screw everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 00:40, inthane <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
wrote:

and if you fracking read his email you would know he has made an
offer to folks to fix this, so go find it and read idiot!

and he did this to prevent folks from loosing continuity of posts
from

the

list,

to you it seems to be acting like spam, to most of us its a
continuation

of

the messages from the list and things are running fine!

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of
an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.**alacorncomputer.com
<http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Kahn"
<rocky@teampatent.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:23 AM

Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.


James,

Your opt-out unsubscribe process is not working. Instead, please
send

out

an email asking who would like to subscribe in future (opt-in),
clear

out

your subscriber database, and only add back in those who ask to be

added.

I'm marking all these emails as spam but because incoming messages
come from many different users, even marking them as spam isn't
working. Your maillist is acting like a spambot and you're not
recognizing the impact you're having on others.

Rocky



On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:10, James Homuth <james@the-jdh.com>
wrote:

All,

After the emergency shuffle of yesterday/today, we're still

experiencing

some DNS related issues with list subscribers. Those issues are
beyond

my

control, but are slowly resolving themselves. However, until they
do completely, mail may be delayed for some users. I'll appologise
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update when I know more about when we'll be back to normal.

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Sorry, I thought the list would have some experts to suggest possible
solutions. I found that submitting comments to Mozilla's support also
requires visual confirmation/verification, so that wouldn't help things.
Is there another blind-friendly list to discuss this with that won't take
verification to log in or post comments? Webvisum is very busy and slow
to respond. Thanks anyone.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for
Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

why the frack aren't you pummeling Firefox with this instead of weeping
about it here, that's my freaking plan, gods what a bunch of whips

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

That's a shame!!! Now what shall we do with websites that require
verifying yourself to sign in or submit a comment, to verify you're a
real human and not a robot? Pity the independent blind users who can't
find somebody to help fill in the box or solve the captchas, or don't
want to be a nuisance to people who are too busy to jump up and come to
their aid!

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for

Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Hi list sorry to report this but, we may not ever have it back.
webvisum was disabled the other day when Firefox 5 was installed. it
seems mozilla has decided that they will now release new versions of
firefox every two months. the word on the NFB graphic user interface
list is that webvisum will likely give up trying to update it since
there is likely no way for them to ever keep up with this new
timetable. Thank you mozilla for caring so much to protect the internet

from us dangerous blind hackers/spammers. I wouldn't get my hopes up
for a screen reader to have it built in since if they can do that, the
real spammers would be able to do it to so that would defeat the whole
need for capcha.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fw: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Now that the list is back online, here are some of the latest
developments in my attempts to recover the use of Webvisum. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


that one you would have to take to a group, I'd ask it on both the
blind geek zone and/or the list provided by web visum I'm having some
odd difficulties with my current system and can't get web visum to run
correctly here on my main, but it loaded and ran fine on my secondary
and tertiary computers, so I don't have a good answer for you!

sorry,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane
Cc: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


Webvisum sent me a new password; I logged in with the new password and

tried once again to install the plugin, but still I can't get it to
work--I get the "unavailable" message following the "install button"
prompt. Is there an issue with my system or browser security settings,

or do I actually need an invitation code in addition to the password?
Do I need to upgrade Firefox to use this copy of the plugin? Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum plugin lost


there is a spot, pardon a link where you can fill out a "request"
and get an invitation to web visum, if you remember your address and
sign in password (the same ones you input into web visum so it could
automatically sign in) you can go and download it again, I would use
revo uninstaller to pull out the old web visum, and then reinstall a
new copy.

or at worst case, contact me again and I will get you an invite
since I remember both my sign in and my password

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane ; Adrian Spratt ; Gerald Levy ; Negoslav Sabev
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: Fw: Webvisum plugin lost


Good morning. I'm sending this to you individuals because the JFW

list seems to be down right now.
Yesterday I sent this to the Webvisum Discuss listserv and
subscribed to their mailing list, but I suspect they may be very slow
to respond. If I don't hear from them in a week or so, what do I do
with Web sites that require verification? I could try Solona but not
sure if that works with Firefox, or if it can handle captchas and
images as efficiently as Webvisum. Thanks for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: Webvisum plugin lost


Hi all. Recently I've been reading some posts regarding updating
to the latest version of Firefox, and that Webvisum hadn't released an
update for that version. For some time I've been able to use it on my
current version of Firefox 3.6. Someone suggested I download a
portable version of Firefox 5 to see how it worked and whether or not
Webvisum worked with it. Another post explained a work around for
accessing Webvisum with Firefox 5.0, by going to the install.rdf file
and changing the max number from 4 to 5. I did this and saved the
change, then downloaded the portable Firefox 5, but this created an
error message in Firefox 3 saying the file wasn't well-formed or
something. Webvisum not only didn't work on the portable Firefox, but
now it no longer works on Firefox version 3, and I also deleted the
install file for Webvisum and the plugin is no longer there.
Can you suggest a way to get a new plugin for Webvisum to download

again to Firefox 3? I'm already logged in, but can't find a link to
download the plugin. I erroneously sent a request for an invitation
but discovered that's not necessary if I know my username and password.

Thanks for your assistance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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You don't include the message you're replying to. If it's the one with the
Webvisum address, it takes me right to the Webvisum site. I just clicked on
the link I sent you. Here it is again:
www.webvisum.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Hi
When I clicked on the link, it said that this domain name is free. Very
interesting.

Marsha


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Sorry, I thought the list would have some experts to suggest possible
solutions. I found that submitting comments to Mozilla's support also
requires visual confirmation/verification, so that wouldn't help things.
Is there another blind-friendly list to discuss this with that won't take
verification to log in or post comments? Webvisum is very busy and slow
to respond. Thanks anyone.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@roadrunner.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for
Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

why the frack aren't you pummeling Firefox with this instead of weeping
about it here, that's my freaking plan, gods what a bunch of whips

elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

That's a shame!!! Now what shall we do with websites that require
verifying yourself to sign in or submit a comment, to verify you're a
real human and not a robot? Pity the independent blind users who can't
find somebody to help fill in the box or solve the captchas, or don't
want to be a nuisance to people who are too busy to jump up and come to
their aid!

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>
To: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>; "The Jaws for

Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Hi list sorry to report this but, we may not ever have it back.
webvisum was disabled the other day when Firefox 5 was installed. it
seems mozilla has decided that they will now release new versions of
firefox every two months. the word on the NFB graphic user interface
list is that webvisum will likely give up trying to update it since
there is likely no way for them to ever keep up with this new
timetable. Thank you mozilla for caring so much to protect the internet

from us dangerous blind hackers/spammers. I wouldn't get my hopes up
for a screen reader to have it built in since if they can do that, the
real spammers would be able to do it to so that would defeat the whole
need for capcha.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fw: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost

Now that the list is back online, here are some of the latest
developments in my attempts to recover the use of Webvisum. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


that one you would have to take to a group, I'd ask it on both the
blind geek zone and/or the list provided by web visum I'm having some
odd difficulties with my current system and can't get web visum to run
correctly here on my main, but it loaded and ran fine on my secondary
and tertiary computers, so I don't have a good answer for you!

sorry,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane
Cc: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: cannot install/activate pluginRe: Webvisum plugin lost


Webvisum sent me a new password; I logged in with the new password and

tried once again to install the plugin, but still I can't get it to
work--I get the "unavailable" message following the "install button"
prompt. Is there an issue with my system or browser security settings,

or do I actually need an invitation code in addition to the password?
Do I need to upgrade Firefox to use this copy of the plugin? Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: inthane
To: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum plugin lost


there is a spot, pardon a link where you can fill out a "request"
and get an invitation to web visum, if you remember your address and
sign in password (the same ones you input into web visum so it could
automatically sign in) you can go and download it again, I would use
revo uninstaller to pull out the old web visum, and then reinstall a
new copy.

or at worst case, contact me again and I will get you an invite
since I remember both my sign in and my password

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: inthane ; Adrian Spratt ; Gerald Levy ; Negoslav Sabev
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: Fw: Webvisum plugin lost


Good morning. I'm sending this to you individuals because the JFW

list seems to be down right now.
Yesterday I sent this to the Webvisum Discuss listserv and
subscribed to their mailing list, but I suspect they may be very slow
to respond. If I don't hear from them in a week or so, what do I do
with Web sites that require verification? I could try Solona but not
sure if that works with Firefox, or if it can handle captchas and
images as efficiently as Webvisum. Thanks for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Richard Dexheimer
To: webvisum-discuss@webvisum.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: Webvisum plugin lost


Hi all. Recently I've been reading some posts regarding updating
to the latest version of Firefox, and that Webvisum hadn't released an
update for that version. For some time I've been able to use it on my
current version of Firefox 3.6. Someone suggested I download a
portable version of Firefox 5 to see how it worked and whether or not
Webvisum worked with it. Another post explained a work around for
accessing Webvisum with Firefox 5.0, by going to the install.rdf file
and changing the max number from 4 to 5. I did this and saved the
change, then downloaded the portable Firefox 5, but this created an
error message in Firefox 3 saying the file wasn't well-formed or
something. Webvisum not only didn't work on the portable Firefox, but
now it no longer works on Firefox version 3, and I also deleted the
install file for Webvisum and the plugin is no longer there.
Can you suggest a way to get a new plugin for Webvisum to download

again to Firefox 3? I'm already logged in, but can't find a link to
download the plugin. I erroneously sent a request for an invitation
but discovered that's not necessary if I know my username and password.

Thanks for your assistance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
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Good morning list:

I'm using Jaws 12 and Windows XP. I accidentally installed the Google Tool Bar; how do I remove it strictly using Jaws?

thanks

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:23
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: need help for a friend please

Hi, can anyone please tell me what my friend can do to help get her
document back, here is what she wrote me:
thanks if any light can be shed upon this:
sugar

she wrote:
Sugar,



HELP!!!!!



During this year 2011, since January the 1st; I have felt led to
compile some promises that God had spoken to me in His Word each day.
Sometimes, I would just type prayers, or Scripture with me writing
comments after them.



I should have called this document "A JOURNEY WITH GOD instead of
"GOD'S PROMISES TO ME." Actually, the document has just been called
God.dox. I am not sure why Window's didn't grab all that title, but it
did not.



Anyway, I had just finished typing this morning, what I felt God was
speaking and was trying to save it with "control key and the letter s."
However, I accidentally pushed, I believe the alt key along with the
letter A. No big deal, it just simply took me back up to page 1; at
least that's what it read. So, I simply pushed the "Control S" to save
and then closed the document with "alt F-4." However, just this
afternoon, when I opened the document, it is totally blank. I cannot
seem to find the 161 pages of document!! Do you know what might have
happened to it?? I just feel bad about this. Please let me know your
opinion.



God Bless,




'Real tears are not those that fall from your eyes and cover your face,
but that fall from your heart and cover your soul.'
~Be Blessed, Sugar



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