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moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Also you may be aware of this already, but your message seems to suggest you might not be -- if you have both programmes on your desktop you can assign hotkeys to load them. NVDA does this by default; the keystroke is usually ctrl-alt-n. A lot of people like JAWS to have one too and they usually use ctrl-alt-j. JAWS too may set one up by default. I know there used to be a lot of fuss around hotkeys and how a new JAWS instalation would remove the old hotkey. I think this may have been tweaked by FS due to peoples' discontent but I haven't gotten a new JAWS version in a few years so, I'm not sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sorry. What are their shutdown and loading hotkeys? I am not aware of these.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:
Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no
toggle or anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an
unnecessary step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to
unload one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the
desktop and set up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble
than it's worth when all you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning
off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA
on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India
and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford











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Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Madison Martin
 

Jaws:
Jaws key plus f4
Control alt j

NVDA:
NVDA key plus q

Hope this helps!!
Control alt n

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sorry. What are their shutdown and loading hotkeys? I am not aware of these.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:
Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no
toggle or anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an
unnecessary step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to
unload one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the
desktop and set up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble
than it's worth when all you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning
off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA
on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India
and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford











--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Screenreader-key plus f4 for jaws. Screenreader key + q for nvda. By default you have to press enter in both programmes after executing the keystroke to confirm that you want to quit the screen-reader. I know you can change this in NVDA; not sure about JAWS (someone above seemed to suggest you could, though)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sorry. What are their shutdown and loading hotkeys? I am not aware of these.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:
Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no
toggle or anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an
unnecessary step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to
unload one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the
desktop and set up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble
than it's worth when all you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning
off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA
on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India
and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford











--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Richard Turner
 

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Rahul Bajaj
 

Sorry. What are their shutdown and loading hotkeys? I am not aware of these.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:
Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no toggle or
anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an unnecessary
step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to unload
one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the desktop and set
up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble than it's worth when all
you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford










--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no toggle or anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an unnecessary step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to unload one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the desktop and set up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble than it's worth when all you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Glenn / Lenny
 

Both have the option to shut down without confirmation, so the respective shutdown hotkeys and loading hotkeys would be quite seamless.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1038@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 2:29 PM
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly


Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning
off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA
on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford




moderated Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning
off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA
on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


moderated Re: can't identify speaker in Zoom meeting

Mario
 

yes. the fix for me was to add the ZoomNotifyCurrentSpeaker script to the script source, and compile it. before doing so, and I don't know if this was really necessary, I removed the entry of the script that was already in the script documentation file.

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com]
Subject: can't identify speaker in Zoom meeting
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2021, 6:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Just to say that somebody else I know with Jaws      2020 has exactly
the same problem whilst I do not with Jaws 2021 so it does begin to
 look like it is  a problem with how the scripts are packaged in Jaws 2020.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
<mailto:jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *01 August 2021 21:11
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: can't identify speaker in Zoom meeting

hello Mario!

Looking at JAWS 2020, the script that this key is supposed to be  bound
to is "ZoomNotifyCurrentSpeaker" ( note the "zoom" at  the begining.  I a

that the December reliase of JAWS 2020 has this as the key binding. If
there is a zoomsoftware.jkm in your "explore my settings" area of JAWS,
I would recommend removing that file or saving it someplace where you
can restore it if you still find something not working.

Of course you could also just go back into keyboard manager and add a
keystroke for "zoomnotifyCurrentSpeaker.."

SSSent   from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn
<jonathan.c.cohn@icloud.com> wrote:

>

> If the script "NotifyCurrentSpeaker" is tagged with the
control-shift-T  key stroke than that is the script that is currently
being run when you press the keystroke. If  you are getting a message
that that script can't be found than that is the wrong script and you
need to find the correct script.

> I looked at the JAWS 2021 Zoom Software script a little today, and
the only thing the "NotifyCurrentSpeaker" script does its press a key
that JAWS has bound to read the second oldest notification (is that
alt-F2)?  Then Zoom sends a UIA notification that the to the JAWS screen
reader.

>

> I'll try to look more closely today, but have some family things to do.

>

>

>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 15:05, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> Jonathan, when you say to "rebind the keystroke", how is this done?
I found the script that is executed with the control+shift+t keystroke
which is named NotifyCurrentSpeaker, but I don't want to mess it up by
trying to do something that I haven't done before.

>>

>> -------- Original Message --------

>> From: Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
[mailto:jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io]

>> Subject: can't identify speaker in Zoom meeting

>> Date: Saturday, July 31, 2021, 1:54 PM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Hello,

>> Zoom itself has nothing to do with the JAWS scripts and key bindings.

>> I suggest you go into the keyboard manager and see if you can find
the script listed there that you are trying to execute, and then rebind
the keystroke if you do. To open the keyboard manager, press insert-F2
and find the keyboard manager listed there. There is a list of
applications, make sure you are in the Zoom application, and then review
the lists of scripts available for assigning keys to. There is a way to
filter out the default scripts to limit the list. I believe the keyboard
manager is driven by the ".jsd" files so if there is an error in the
JAWS builtin documentation then it is possible to still get this error,
but would be a big priority and fairly simple for Freedom Scientific to
correct.

>>

>> Otherwise, you could purchase or perhaps sample Brian Hartgen
excellent and often updated scripts. I have heard very good things about
these scripts, but have not tried them since I primarily use Zoom on
Apple products.

>> Brian's web site is:

>>

>> http://www.hartgen.org/zoompro

>> Another thing  you can check is to see if you have a zoom.jkm file
or something closely similar to that in your JAWS private settings
files. TO To get to this, from the start menu search for Utilities JAWS
, this will bring up a directory listing of several shortcuts. Select
the Explore My Settings shortcut and then look for files that start with
Zoom. These are customizations to zoom that were added to you that are
not part of the JAWS installation and would override anything in the
JAWS directories that gets checked when you repair JAWS.

>>

>> Best Wishes,

>> Jonathan

>>

>>

>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 13:04, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> using JAWS 2020 when attending a Zoom meeting, until now, pressing
JAWS+shift+t announces unknown script call to: ZoomNotifyCurrentSpeaker.
I've downloaded and ran the installer from Freedom Scientific's download
page to repair my installation (which completed successfully), but the
problem persists. pressing JAWS+numrow 3 and then control+numrow 2 does
announce who is speaking, which lead me to that there is a problem with
the script.

>>

>> talking to some aquaintances via Zoom who are computer literate and
somewhat tech savvy, it was suggested that I uninstall and reinstall the
Zoom client.

>>

>> will doing so help to fix the problem, or am I just wasting time?

>> any suggestions as what to do besides calling FS Monday?

>>

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moderated Re: Jaws2021 Facebook Live

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello

I assumed anybody  doesn’t have answer for me.

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2021 6:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2021 Facebook Live

 

Hi All

I have jaws2021 and desktop and laptop  computer  windows10 . Does anyone  know how to do facebook live  by yourself  only  ? I want to do facebook live  with myself  to posted live for all of my friends and family  on facebook. Since facebook has updated the website  if I’m not mistaken  I have to tab til  I hear its say what on your mind   edit  to type  then press tab to it said more  button  press enter 

Addison


moderated Re: Test message

Jeff Christiansen
 

Probably just quiet



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On Aug 3, 2021, at 04:05, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



Hmmm.  I received my own message so guess all is good and quiet with the list.  That's great news.  Take care all,

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Anne Atkinson
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Test message

 

Has the list gone quiet or am I not receiving messages? 

 

Thanks,

 

Lee Anne


moderated Re: check writing software?

Phillip Gross
 

This is something that I haven’t thought about in a long time. I used to have, probably still have somewhere, one of the check writing templates. My hand writing was never that great so I didn’t use it much. It mainly got used for agricultural purchases 20 years ago when there were still some places that didn’t take a card. At this point I write 1 check a year, and my wife writes it for me. I pay for everything else using either PayPal, my credit union’s billpay service, or on the payee’s website.


moderated Re: Test message

Lee Anne Atkinson
 

Hmmm.  I received my own message so guess all is good and quiet with the list.  That's great news.  Take care all,

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Anne Atkinson
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Test message

 

Has the list gone quiet or am I not receiving messages? 

 

Thanks,

 

Lee Anne


moderated Test message

Lee Anne Atkinson
 

Has the list gone quiet or am I not receiving messages? 

 

Thanks,

 

Lee Anne


moderated Re: way to jump to particular slide while editing in PowerPoint?

Pramit
 

Hi Van, 

Have not used it for a long time but I believe while doing a slide show one can simply press the number of the slide he wants to open and press enter. 


On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 11:25 PM Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io> wrote:

Has anyone found a way to jump to a particular slide in PowerPoint while editing?  My web searches tell me what I already knew about jumping to a slide while presenting, bug I’m looking for a way to jump to say slide 50 in a large presentation rather than paging down 49 times or using slide sorter to move 3 or 4 slides at a time.  Control G used in Word doesn’t’ work.   

 

Using Office 365 and JAWS 2021

 

 

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Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

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moderated Re: Google Dox

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

Does this come with  a text  transcript?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Google Dox

 

Here is a video that APH did a while ago on how to use Google Docs with Jaws. 

 




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moderated Re: JAWS and Windows 11

Phillip Gross
 

I’ve thought about doing it with my backup computer, but, as of yet, I haven’t had the time. What have you had to find work arounds for?


moderated Re: cyber security software

Phillip Gross
 

You can’t go wrong with Windows security. I have used it in the past combined with Malware Bytes, and I didn’t have any problems with it. I am now using Eset because I like the interface a little bit better, but that’s my personal opinion, and, after trying it, you may not agree.


moderated Re: Google Dox

Michael Munn
 

Here is a video that APH did a while ago on how to use Google Docs with Jaws. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avAFBR1ckv8

You can also visit this website called Your Tech Vision to learn more tech skills on how to use a specific program on your  PC with a screen reader.

thanks 

Best regards

Michael H. Munn  

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia  

www.nfbga.org


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www.nfb.org

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On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 7:26 PM Tony Sohl <tonysohl@...> wrote:
Hi is ther a class we can take that will teach us how to use google dox
with jaws and if so where can we find such a class?

I know Fredom Scientific has done some tutorials on how t use it with
jaws but we cannot see the cdoc ument and we cannot get it to work
hardly at all!






moderated Re: Google Dox

Ann Byrne
 

One of the features in the latest release of JAWS--about two weeks ago?--was that insert+spacebar then g would allow a person to use regular web access keys with Google docs. Press insert+spacebar then question mark to see the keys.

At 06:29 PM 8/1/2021, you wrote:
Hi,
What version of jaws are you running? I used to think that Google docs was not accessible either, but now, it’s definitely taking a turn for the better!

On Aug 1, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Tony Sohl <tonysohl@samobile.net> wrote:

Hi is ther a class we can take that will
teach us how to use google dox with jaws and if so where can we find such a class?

I know Fredom Scientific has done some
tutorials on how t use it with jaws but we cannot see the cdoc ument and we cannot get it to work hardly at all!





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