Well, it has only been on the market a little over a month, and they do not have a huge PR budget like some companies.

Albert:

I couldn’t agree with you more.

If these companies are truly interested in accessibility, you would think they would check these things before releasing any updates.

In all fairness, though, I’m thankful for the accessibility that Zoom does offer, in comparison to other meeting platforms which, apparently are not as accessible.

I hope we will learn of an update that fixes the hand-raising key stroke issue soon.

Tom Behler

Hi everyone, 

One thing that I’d like too ask here,  is, why don’t these  companies check there updates for accessibility before they release them.  To me, this should be a given practice, and not  an after thought.   

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

Thank you.

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

Thank you.

Good morning, Bill.

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

On Apr 22, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

www.turner42.com

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

www.turner42.com

 

On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

Good evening everyone, 

How do you go about updating your zoom meeting application that is already on my PC.  The version that I have on my computer says that it is five point five. I did look for an update feature, but I didn’t see where to locate that option.     

Good evening everyone, 

How do you go about updating your zoom meeting application that is already on my PC.  The version that I have on my computer says that it is five point five. I did look for an update feature, but I didn’t see where to locate that option.     

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of johnny.hauan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2020 wont start automaticly #jaws

Something weird going on with JAWS 2020 on Windows 10 20H2. I go to the settings and check for starting JAWS during logon, press OK then when i return to the dialogue box its unchecked again. I find several topics on this issue but no solutions so far. 

Also is it possible somehow to automaticly activate the software when you have the ILM code?

On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

Hi everyone, 

One thing that I’d like too ask here,  is, why don’t these  companies check there updates for accessibility before they release them.  To me, this should be a given practice, and not  an after thought.   

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

Thank you.

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

Thank you.

Good morning, Bill.

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

Thank you.

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

Thank you.

Good morning, Bill.

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

Thank you.

Good morning, Bill.

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

Hi.  I had to purchase a newbattery for my H P laptop running the latest version of Jaws under Windows 10 pro edition.  The build number is 19,042.928.  I can’t remember how to check the battery status.  I am using the Stascom utility which announces the battery status every five percentage points when it is charging or discharging.  Jaws announced that the battery was low so I plugged the laptop in so the battery replacement will charge again.  Thanks. 

Hi.  I had to purchase a newbattery for my H P laptop running the latest version of Jaws under Windows 10 pro edition.  The build number is 19,042.928.  I can’t remember how to check the battery status.  I am using the Stascom utility which announces the battery status every five percentage points when it is charging or discharging.  Jaws announced that the battery was low so I plugged the laptop in so the battery replacement will charge again.  Thanks. 

On Apr 22, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

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