From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hello Dave,

 

I wasn’t even aware that an IFW PE existed.  I do not see that in my version of IFW but there is so much stuff there, I do not doubt it.

 

But, in my post, I was referring to the IFW create recovery boot disk.  This comes with the Image for Windows software.  This is not a WinPE.  It is however, a utility, more specifically, a recovery utility that came with my IFW.  It absolutely does include Narrator which allows a blind person to do a complete image restore without a Win10PE or any other utilities or software.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA  and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Barnett

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi Barbara, is the storage on OneDrive related  to office 365? If not, how much can you putt on one drive? Jim

 

 

Hi Jim,

 

Others have mentioned some specs, but I do have a few other ideas for you to consider.  You probably want to be sure your new computer has a camera, one which automatically focuses.  Why you ask?  If you participate in any zoom meetings with friends or family, they will want to see you.  Only one of my two computers has a camera and I must be sure to use it in these situations.

 

Another suggestion is your backup situation.  There are a lot of ways to do this nowadays.  I currently purchased Office 365 which has a very reasonable fee system.  You can set this up with your wife and she can have access to your files.  There is a way to do this and also a way not to share, so you can keep all your secrets!  It is JAWS friendly.  You will have lots of storage for your music or anything else you wish.  There are a variety of packages to select from.  Keep in mind this is where Microsoft is putting all their efforts, so it will likely always be the most accessible.  I also wanted this so if I am unable to access my information due to health for example, my family who I share this with can get access to important information.  There are other cloud storage options out there, but you may want to look at those, but after my own review with my sister, we decided on One Drive.

 

This would eliminate you looking for a less expensive version of Office as well.

 

I also have a network drive.  This has some duplication with the cloud storage, but I had this before I signed up for Office 365.  A network drive allows me to store and work from this physical drive which operates via the modem.  There is a password to prevent others from getting access.  It automatically backs up to a mirror drive so if the primary drive goes bad, all my information will still be available.

 

Lots of moving pieces to consider.  Smile.

 

Good luck.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Hello Dave,

 

I wasn’t even aware that an IFW PE existed.  I do not see that in my version of IFW but there is so much stuff there, I do not doubt it.

 

But, in my post, I was referring to the IFW create recovery boot disk.  This comes with the Image for Windows software.  This is not a WinPE.  It is however, a utility, more specifically, a recovery utility that came with my IFW.  It absolutely does include Narrator which allows a blind person to do a complete image restore without a Win10PE or any other utilities or software.

 

Regards,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA  and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

James:

 

In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Barnett

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Dave,
Maybe you can find them in your sent items folder.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Alan:

Unfortunately, I did not keep any copies of my replies on this subject. I am
sorry about that.

All my replies on this subject should be coming to you, if they are not,
then you may need to check if some messages are being blocked, either by
your email client or by your email service provider.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Thanks, I would be interested to read as I use IFW as well but in a
different way than you suggest. For some reason, I did not see that post.
Could you forward to me?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan:

See the reply, I have just posted to James.

I have use the I F W restore utility with both Talking Windows Preinstall
Environments. In both cases the utility is very easy to use by anyone who is
visually impaired.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Excellent post. What I've always found is creating images is pretty blind
friendly. The problem comes when restoring the image. Have you tried
restoring as per below and is it possible without sighted assistance?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup
everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system,
any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you
have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program,
the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need
to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart
your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was,
when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you
restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system
will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made,
when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then
restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:

Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first
window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are
on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via
groups.io
Sent: April 15, 2021 3:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and Google calendar question

You should be able to login to Google accounts from Outlook. I have never done
this, but I would expect this would support Google Mail, Contacts and also
Calendar. I believe the area to add accounts is under the File/Info ribbon.
Jonathan

On Apr 15, 2021, at 13:36, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Is it possible for me to somehow sync my Google and Outlook calendars? If this
is possible then I'd really appreciate if someone could tell me how to do it.
The reason I ask is because I've been trying to add my favourite sports teams'
schedules to my Outlook calendar with absolutely no luck so yesterday I

decided

that since I have a google account that I'd try and add them to my Google
calendar and knock on wood I think it worked, but I really don't want to have
to log into my Google account everyday just to check my calendar. I'm using

the

latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10, but I also have

Google

Chrome and Firefox installed so if it'd be better for me to use one of these
browsers then I can do so. Really hope someone can help me!!! Thanks Madison

On 15 April 2021 22:14:26 "Jim Rawls" <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

How much storage can it hold? Jim           

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: tutorials on using the spell check in Word with Jaws

For the record, F7 works fine with Office 2016 on my system.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tutorials on using the spell check in Word with Jaws

I have also upgraded to a new version of MS Word. I am now using word 2016. F7 doesn’t work for me either. I would appreciate some help. thank you

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tutorials on using the spell check in Word with Jaws

I have also upgraded to a new version of MS Word. I am now using word 2016. F7 doesn’t work for me either. I would appreciate some help. thank you

At 03:43 PM 4/15/2021, you wrote:

I have also upgraded to a new version of MS Word. I am now using word 2016. F7 doesn’t work for me either. I would appreciate some help. thank you

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi Jim,

 

Others have mentioned some specs, but I do have a few other ideas for you to consider.  You probably want to be sure your new computer has a camera, one which automatically focuses.  Why you ask?  If you participate in any zoom meetings with friends or family, they will want to see you.  Only one of my two computers has a camera and I must be sure to use it in these situations.

 

Another suggestion is your backup situation.  There are a lot of ways to do this nowadays.  I currently purchased Office 365 which has a very reasonable fee system.  You can set this up with your wife and she can have access to your files.  There is a way to do this and also a way not to share, so you can keep all your secrets!  It is JAWS friendly.  You will have lots of storage for your music or anything else you wish.  There are a variety of packages to select from.  Keep in mind this is where Microsoft is putting all their efforts, so it will likely always be the most accessible.  I also wanted this so if I am unable to access my information due to health for example, my family who I share this with can get access to important information.  There are other cloud storage options out there, but you may want to look at those, but after my own review with my sister, we decided on One Drive.

 

This would eliminate you looking for a less expensive version of Office as well.

 

I also have a network drive.  This has some duplication with the cloud storage, but I had this before I signed up for Office 365.  A network drive allows me to store and work from this physical drive which operates via the modem.  There is a password to prevent others from getting access.  It automatically backs up to a mirror drive so if the primary drive goes bad, all my information will still be available.

 

Lots of moving pieces to consider.  Smile.

 

Good luck.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim

On Apr 15, 2021, at 13:36, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Is it possible for me to somehow sync my Google and Outlook calendars? If this
is possible then I'd really appreciate if someone could tell me how to do it.
The reason I ask is because I've been trying to add my favourite sports teams'
schedules to my Outlook calendar with absolutely no luck so yesterday I decided
that since I have a google account that I'd try and add them to my Google
calendar and knock on wood I think it worked, but I really don't want to have
to log into my Google account everyday just to check my calendar. I'm using the
latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10, but I also have Google
Chrome and Firefox installed so if it'd be better for me to use one of these
browsers then I can do so. Really hope someone can help me!!! Thanks Madison

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Alan:

Unfortunately, I did not keep any copies of my replies on this subject. I am
sorry about that.

All my replies on this subject should be coming to you, if they are not,
then you may need to check if some messages are being blocked, either by
your email client or by your email service provider.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Thanks, I would be interested to read as I use IFW as well but in a
different way than you suggest. For some reason, I did not see that post.
Could you forward to me?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan:

See the reply, I have just posted to James.

I have use the I F W restore utility with both Talking Windows Preinstall
Environments. In both cases the utility is very easy to use by anyone who is
visually impaired.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Excellent post. What I've always found is creating images is pretty blind
friendly. The problem comes when restoring the image. Have you tried
restoring as per below and is it possible without sighted assistance?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup
everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system,
any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you
have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program,
the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need
to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart
your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was,
when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you
restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system
will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made,
when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then
restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:

Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first
window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are
on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Dave,

On WinPE you can simply pull the plug so to speak, or even literally when shutting down with WinPE, as it is only loaded in RAM, so nothing would get broke.

It's wiped out on power off.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Barnett

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

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Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Thanks, I would be interested to read as I use IFW as well but in a different way than you suggest. For some reason, I did not see that post. Could you forward to me?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan:

See the reply, I have just posted to James.

I have use the I F W restore utility with both Talking Windows Preinstall Environments. In both cases the utility is very easy to use by anyone who is visually impaired.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbins1057@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


Dave,

Excellent post. What I've always found is creating images is pretty blind
friendly. The problem comes when restoring the image. Have you tried
restoring as per below and is it possible without sighted assistance?

Thanks,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup
everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system,
any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you
have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program,
the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need
to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart
your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was,
when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you
restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system
will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made,
when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then
restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:

Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first
window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are
on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:02 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Dave,

On WinPE you can simply pull the plug so to speak, or even literally when shutting down with WinPE, as it is only loaded in RAM, so nothing would get broke.

It's wiped out on power off.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Barnett

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel