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Angel
I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them. I have never gone wrong using headphones. When working on my computer.
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From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: capsha
I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly. Randy Barnett
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Re: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?
Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>
Well if you use the jaws quick settings command insert v you can arrow down where you will find read commands and then arrow down to messages read automatically and uncheck it. So see if that works and were looking for. Thanks.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 24, 2021 2:35 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?
I unchecked the documents and web pages read automatically under the web/html/pdf section under reading and it works fine. This assumes your email messages are in html format. But, if not, they would be treated as documents, so it should apply there as well.
I am not finding a specific setting just for email.
Someone more knowledgeable than me; of whom there are tons, may know something else.
Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
Web site: www.turner42.com
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Hi.
I looked in JAWS commands for this, but all I’m finding is for web pages and PDF documents. This doesn’t work with email.
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Melissa Stott <mstott789@...>
I too have trouble with the audio challenges. I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: capsha
Randy Barnett
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
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Re: capsha
K0LNY
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I Know, that's right!
I sometimes am not sure which words to enter and
which ones to leave out.
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From: leonard
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Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: capsha When it comes to audio captcha the kind I really find
totally unaccessible is when the person is saying words but there is a lot of
spoken audio in the background.
On 4/25/2021 11:06 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:
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leonard morris
When it comes to audio captcha the kind
I really find totally unaccessible is when the person is saying
words but there is a lot of spoken audio in the background.
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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
Randy Barnett
On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.- By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this. They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text. If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons. These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA. I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters. It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too. To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch. It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea). When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.
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On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.- Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do. I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based." That doesn't say or imply all. And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges. I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present. There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge. That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too. There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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JAWS 2021 - Version And ILM Key Being Announced When List Of Links Is being Displayed.
Mark Fisher
Hi All Manager - People Systems Water Corporation |
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JAWS and Qbraille with bluetooth connection
Marianne Denning
I have the latest version of JAWS and I want to connect my Qbraille through Bluetooth. I follow the directions in the Qbraille manual but when I go to advanced and advanced in JAWS I can’t find where to put in the comport number. The Qbraille will not connect. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
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Don Walls
Brian, you are consistent with your practice, so it’s easy just to tab to
your reply to a previous email.
Don
From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha On
Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote: Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.- And that's by intent. In a long topic or one where multiple participants are engaged, it is impossible to know exactly who or what is being replied to without a snippet retained from the message being replied to, like here. It's common practice to do so, I know that some don't like it, but I have no intention of changing that practice, as many do. The auto-quoting mechanism in most places, including Groups.io, gives you a line with the date time-stamp of the quoted message as well as the sender's identity. -- Brian
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Madison Martin
The captchas that I really hate are the ones that have the codes that you have to type in as Jaws doesn’t read them, is there a way I can get this to happen? Most of the time these don’t seem to have an audio challenge and if there is one then it’s really hard to understand, the voice I mean. I like it way better when it’s words that you have to type.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: April 24, 2021 4:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: capsha
Oh, Didn't know.
I'll have to investigate that more.
Had no idea.
Thanks,
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
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Justin Williams
Oh, Didn't know.
I'll have to investigate that more.
Had no idea.
Thanks,
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.- And that's by intent. In a long topic or one where multiple participants are engaged, it is impossible to know exactly who or what is being replied to without a snippet retained from the message being replied to, like here. It's common practice to do so, I know that some don't like it, but I have no intention of changing that practice, as many do. The auto-quoting mechanism in most places, including Groups.io, gives you a line with the date time-stamp of the quoted message as well as the sender's identity. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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Whoops, didn't include the hyperlink for the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page. So there it is.
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Justin Williams
Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.
The date is coming up first.
Thanks,
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.- By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this. They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text. If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons. These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA. I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters. It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too. To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch. It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea). When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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Re: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?
Marten Post Uiterweer
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When in Outlook press ins-v and type: auto Arrow down to automaticly read messages and turn it of. Regards, Marten
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.- Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do. I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based." That doesn't say or imply all. And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges. I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present. There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge. That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too. There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
no that's not true. Try getting any tech-support from Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it. And Behringer a huge global company with dozens of sub companies is the one that has inaccessible captures along with many others. and most of the so-called accessible captions that have audio or some other way of doing it are very hard to understand it's very frustrating then anybody that has to actually do it on a regular basis knows this. And wouldn't ever make that statement.
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On Apr 24, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 02:31 PM, John Covici wrote:
A lot of captchas use the google library- And a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based. This isn't a criticism of your observation, just mine adding to the earlier one that it is captchas, plural, and that a great many have accessibility built in if you look for it. Some don't, I'll admit, but the time of the, "type in the characters in this picture" captcha as the captcha method is long past. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide |
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Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
Then you should tell this to Blind Bargains as they recommend this product and even featured it on a podcast.
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