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Re: hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Chris
At the bottom of every email from groups.io theres a mute topic link if you dont wish to receive that particular topic
And You can of course edit your subscription options to filter out unwanted topics you dont want to receive, the link is also at the bottom of every mail from groups.io to edit your subscription options
Learn how to use them,
Or leave group
From: Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: 11 January 2021 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Moderators, I had 56 unread emails this morning. The majority of them were inappropriate for this discussion list.
Yes, James I used my delete button for 10 minutes... what a waste of my time.
Discussion lists are like a library to me. You Go to the travel topic of books to get travel info for a trip. You go to the political science topic for those subjects.
I am here to learn about JFW. That's the way this discussion list has been for a long, long time.
Folks, I am all in favor of 'legal free speech. Do us all a favor and take it to another discussion list, please.
Thanks.
Ken
---Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 8:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Why does it matter honestly? You have a delete key on your computer or a delete button on your email service. Perhaps make use?
- James
On 1/11/21, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote: > > Exactly. This list has drifted way off topic into arant about free > speech that is more appropriate for a general chit-chat forum such as > the Blind Talk or Blind Democracy lists. Where is the list moderator? > > > Gerald > > > > On 1/11/2021 8:25 AM, Jim Weiss via groups.io wrote: >> She was referring to all of the posts that were related to Parlor and >> the track it had taken regarding free speech and censorship. >> Jim Weiss >> >> jimweiss72@... >> >> >> “I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” >> | Helen Keller >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Jeff Christiansen <jeff@...> wrote: >>> >>> They maybe having trouble using JFW as there is a subject line but >>> no body to the message? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David >>> Diamond >>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:03 PM >>> To: main@jfw.groups.io >>> Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW? >>> >>> Respectfully submitted. To what are you referring too? There is no >>> message below yours to indicate what you are objecting too. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne >>> Sent: January 10, 2021 5:27 PM >>> Subject: And what does this have to do with JFW? >>> >>> Respectfully submitted. >>> pat Byrne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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Re: hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
Hello Ken,
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I don't care about free speech or lack of thereof, but I want to learn about JFW here. Monday, January 11, 2021, 4:15:03 PM, you wrote:
Moderators, Yes, James I used my delete button for 10 minutes... what a waste of my time. Discussion lists are like a library to me. I am here to learn about JFW. Folks, I am all in favor of 'legal free speech. Thanks. Ken ---Original Message----- Why does it matter honestly? You have a delete key on your computer or a delete button on your email service. Perhaps make use? - James On 1/11/21, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote: --
Best regards, Arkadiusz Świętnicki
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Problem with Forgot my password with Gmail
David Kingsbury
Hi all,
I am trying to help a person I am training create a new Gmail password, but when he tries to log in, and uses the forgot my password button, he is asked to put in the last password he remembered. If he doesn’t remember anything, he gets totally stuck. This is an idiotic Catch 22. And the only way you can access a real human being with Google is to log in first. Any ideas on how to get around this?
Thanks, David
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Re: hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
As Brian pointed out, there is a mute topic option at the bottom of each message.
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If you haven't created a password for your Groups.io accounts, you will need to do that, which is offered when you activate the mute topic link. So far, I've done that with the parler and the what's this have to do with JFW messages, and now I will do that with the hey moderators ... If you really want help from the moderators, write them directly, which is part of the list guidelines. All of this takes away from focusing on Jaws. Richard Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry. My web site, www.turner42.com
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 7:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW? Moderators, I had 56 unread emails this morning. The majority of them were inappropriate for this discussion list. Yes, James I used my delete button for 10 minutes... what a waste of my time. Discussion lists are like a library to me. You Go to the travel topic of books to get travel info for a trip. You go to the political science topic for those subjects. I am here to learn about JFW. That's the way this discussion list has been for a long, long time. Folks, I am all in favor of 'legal free speech. Do us all a favor and take it to another discussion list, please. Thanks. Ken ---Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 8:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW? Why does it matter honestly? You have a delete key on your computer or a delete button on your email service. Perhaps make use? - James On 1/11/21, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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hey moderators -Help Us please RE: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Ken Chernack
Moderators,
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I had 56 unread emails this morning. The majority of them were inappropriate for this discussion list. Yes, James I used my delete button for 10 minutes... what a waste of my time. Discussion lists are like a library to me. You Go to the travel topic of books to get travel info for a trip. You go to the political science topic for those subjects. I am here to learn about JFW. That's the way this discussion list has been for a long, long time. Folks, I am all in favor of 'legal free speech. Do us all a favor and take it to another discussion list, please. Thanks. Ken
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 8:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW? Why does it matter honestly? You have a delete key on your computer or a delete button on your email service. Perhaps make use? - James On 1/11/21, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 08:44 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
Where is the list moderator?- I presume where he typically is. To say that this group is very lightly moderated is an understatement, and that's the prerogative of the Group Owner. For most participants, at the bottom of every single message (or message snippet in digests) is a Mute this Topic link, which is a feature Groups.io offers that most others don't. I suggest people use it. Moderators should not be called upon to take actions that end users can effect on their own. Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
James English
Why does it matter honestly? You have a delete key on your computer or
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a delete button on your email service. Perhaps make use? - James
On 1/11/21, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Gerald Levy
Exactly. This list has
drifted way off topic into arant about free speech that is more
appropriate for a general chit-chat forum such as the Blind Talk
or Blind Democracy lists. Where is the list moderator?
Gerald
On 1/11/2021 8:25 AM, Jim Weiss via
groups.io wrote:
She was referring to all of the posts that were related to Parlor and the track it had taken regarding free speech and censorship. Jim Weiss jimweiss72@... “I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen KellerOn Jan 11, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Jeff Christiansen <jeff@...> wrote: They maybe having trouble using JFW as there is a subject line but no body to the message? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW? Respectfully submitted. To what are you referring too? There is no message below yours to indicate what you are objecting too. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: January 10, 2021 5:27 PM Subject: And what does this have to do with JFW? Respectfully submitted. pat Byrne
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
She was referring to all of the posts that were related to Parlor and the track it had taken regarding free speech and censorship.
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Jim Weiss jimweiss72@icloud.com “I would rather walk with a friend in the dark; than alone in the light.” | Helen Keller
On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Jeff Christiansen <jeff@teameei.org> wrote:
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Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?
Jeff Christiansen
They maybe having trouble using JFW as there is a subject line but no body
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to the message?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: And what does this have to do with JFW? Respectfully submitted. To what are you referring too? There is no message below yours to indicate what you are objecting too. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: January 10, 2021 5:27 PM Subject: And what does this have to do with JFW? Respectfully submitted. pat Byrne
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Re: Parlor?
Jeff Christiansen
You would have a better experience using the website as opposed to the IOS
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app. I cannot comment on the Android app. Currently big-tech has succeeded in temporarily snuffing out Parler. Neither the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store offer the parler app. AWS, Amazon Web Services, has canceled the contract with Parler so there is no expected return to service until Tuesday afternoon, 01-12-2021. With a political agenda being carried out we as screen readers will suffer. Until tomorrow don't bother but Parler.com is a manageable system to use. You will need sighted assistance with the sign up process as there is a captcha. A few months ago support could have assisted but I suspect they are very busy now days. For the record, I have found more support in furthering accessibility and equity from those that are supportive of the main-stream ideas found over there as opposed to the crowd that considers you & I a bother.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:51 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parlor? I don't disagree with a lot of what you said...but I think I know the sorts of people you have in mind, and I think you underestimate the desire to make converts and, shall we say, recruits to the cause. And I wouldn't necessarilya ssume any platform is exclusively a den for such people. I took a look at the site today and yeah, they are a bit strident about the "free speech' angle, to the point where I get a "thou dost protest too much" feeling fromrom it -- but I can't blame people from all sides for being attracted to such a thing. Don't forget that the actual revolutionary left has experienced its fair share of censorship as well. Anyway, those interested should certainly raise their accessibility concerns with the system operators and see if there are results. Parler cares about PR, too, after all, and they've obviously gotten a great boost from all this -- never heard of the platform before a few days ago, myself. So it's in their interest now more than ever to get on board the accessibility train. And hey, there are blind Qs out there too, you know? ;) -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: January 10, 2021 08:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parlor? I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility challenges. Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on accommodating the disabled contingent You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM To: Recipient list suppressed: Subject: Parlor? I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands. What has Parlor to do with JFW? Pat Byrne
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Re: Parler
Jeff Christiansen
James
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You would have a better experience using the website as opposed to the IOS app. I cannot comment on the Android app. Currently big-tech has succeeded in temporarily snuffing out Parler. Neither the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store offer the parler app. AWS, Amazon Web Services, has canceled the contract with Parler so there is no expected return to service until Tuesday afternoon, 01-12-2021. With a political agenda being carried out we as screen readers will suffer. Until tomorrow don't bother but Parler.com is a manageable system to use. You will need sighted assistance with the sign up process as there is a captcha. A few months ago support could have assisted but I suspect they are very busy now days.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 3:49 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parler Hello Maria, Is it accessible with jaws, do you know? On 1/11/21, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote: When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still
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Re: Parler
James English
Hello Maria,
Is it accessible with jaws, do you know? On 1/11/21, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote: When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still free
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Re: Lenovo laptop and function keys
Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
You should have a fn key on your laptop, hold that down as well as the function key, that is not a permenatnt fix but should help short ter?
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There may be an option for the function keys in the bios. Steven Hicks Servicedesk 2 Team Leader Tel: 01209 318620. Mobile: 07393 792548. EMail: Steven.Hicks@NHS.NET
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Vegiard Sent: 21 December 2020 14:00 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Lenovo laptop and function keys Hi everyone, Thanks for the feedback last week on my new Lenovo laptop and function keys. I was able to get someone to change the operating system so that the function keys are no longer mapped the way they were originally. Now my alt F4 does work, but none of the other function keys seem to work automatically. Can anyone help me with next steps to get the function keys to map to the jaws commands? I am also not used to the laptop layout. Yesterday when I set up my Outlook 365 account, it wanted a password, and then the laptop told me that the caps lock key was engaged. So I am not sure if the password I typed in wasin caps OR not, but it looks like when I try to put in that password, it is not working no matter what I try. I need to know what I am typing in using the laptop layout, whether it is caps or not. Thanks! Bonnie This message originated from outside of NHSmail. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. ******************************************************************************************************************** This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in relation to its contents. To do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland. NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and other accredited email services. For more information and to find out how you can switch, https://portal.nhs.net/help/joiningnhsmail
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Re: Parlor?
JM Casey
I don't disagree with a lot of what you said...but I think I know the sorts
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of people you have in mind, and I think you underestimate the desire to make converts and, shall we say, recruits to the cause. And I wouldn't necessarilya ssume any platform is exclusively a den for such people. I took a look at the site today and yeah, they are a bit strident about the "free speech' angle, to the point where I get a "thou dost protest too much" feeling fromrom it -- but I can't blame people from all sides for being attracted to such a thing. Don't forget that the actual revolutionary left has experienced its fair share of censorship as well. Anyway, those interested should certainly raise their accessibility concerns with the system operators and see if there are results. Parler cares about PR, too, after all, and they've obviously gotten a great boost from all this -- never heard of the platform before a few days ago, myself. So it's in their interest now more than ever to get on board the accessibility train. And hey, there are blind Qs out there too, you know? ;)
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: January 10, 2021 08:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parlor? I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility challenges. Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on accommodating the disabled contingent You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM To: Recipient list suppressed: Subject: Parlor? I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands. What has Parlor to do with JFW? Pat Byrne
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Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW
David Griffith
The problem was that if you loaded Windows Mail whilst Jaws was running Mail would close unexpectedly after the review of just one or two messages in the inbox. There would be no error message – Mail would simply disappear. This was only a problem if Jaws was running. Mail would worked as expected perfectly with either Narrator or NVDA. For me this problem was not machine specific as it was occurring on both my laptop and desktop machines. However Support had recognised the issue last week and said that they were escalating it to the software team. Whatever the fix was it has been delivered at lightning speed for once. David G.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: 10 January 2021 22:35 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW
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Re: Parlor?
Cristóbal
As I've known people I know get lost down those rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and imagined grievances, I actually have poked around 8chan and before that, 4chan and all these Gab and now Parler Twitter alternatives to try to understand the why and how. These corners of the Internet attract a certain type of unhealthy and delusional discourse. I wouldn't dare join Parler because I’m rooted in reality and not a QAnon or stop the steel crazy, but even that aside, that platform has some wild privacy terms. Might as well kiss your identity and or privacy goodbye.
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There's some really vile stuff on those places. To think that they're going to care about making their sites and apps more accessible for a disabled user is laughable and naïve in the extreme. Like come on man. Mass shootings have been inspired and coordinated on these sites. Gab is basically neo Nazi Twitter. Parler's filling up with Q refugees. Like they're going to care about making captcias and buttons accessible. Again, folks attracted to those shadowy corners of the net are doing everyone else a favor by telling on themselves. Cristóbal
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Parlor? Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it? I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship. On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote: I think the original point to this question was in part with
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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
Sorry that was supposed to be condemning not condoning...
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On 1/10/2021 8:25 PM, Randy Barnett via groups.io wrote:
Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?
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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?
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I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship.
On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
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Re: Parlor?
Jim Hunt
Hi all, Parler is another social media platform. Perhaps the
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discussion about Parler can turn toward the usability/accessibility (or any lack thereof) of Parler with JAWS. I haven't and probably won't use Parler though so I don't have any opinions of its use with JAWS. Just putting in my two or more cents. Cheers, Jim
On 1/10/21, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
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