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moderated Re: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability

kevin meyers
 

Richard is this really you?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 6:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability

 

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want to read this.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disabled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Social-Security?detail=emaildkre

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

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moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

T. Civitello
 

I will try to respond a piece at a time.
 
4. Arrow down to the "indicate capitalization" setting and ensure that it is set for "char (meaning character.)
 
It is set to char.  Also Ignore during say all is checked.  Tom

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
Tom, this isn't something I've encountered and I'm a regular user of Brave.
What voice are you using? If Eloquence, are you using the Reed voice or one of the other variations?
What parameters are you using, as in the settings for pitch and rate?
Is this behavior consistent? In other words, if you perform a "say all" three times on the same page will it exhibit the same behavior on the same text all three times?
Can you provide a specific URL where you notice this behavior and specific text areas where the voice changes?
With this information we can try to see if we can reproduce the issue.
By chance I'm wondering if the "indicate capitalization" option in Settings Center got changed. To verify this,
1: Ensure that Brave is open and that it is the active window.
2. Press insert-6 (on the numbers row) to open Settings Center.
3. Type "cap" without the quotes.
4. Arrow down to the "indicate capitalization" setting and ensure that it is set for "char (meaning character.)


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/16/2020 3:14 PM, T. Civitello wrote:
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated ident first line of paragraph

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2020 and word 2016. I need to setup the entire file to indent the first line of each paragraph on its own. I went through the layout tab. I couldn’t find anything that would let me set the file to do it. Are there a string keys I can turn this on?

Thanks,

Kevin

 

 


moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Tom, this isn't something I've encountered and I'm a regular user of Brave.
What voice are you using? If Eloquence, are you using the Reed voice or one of the other variations?
What parameters are you using, as in the settings for pitch and rate?
Is this behavior consistent? In other words, if you perform a "say all" three times on the same page will it exhibit the same behavior on the same text all three times?
Can you provide a specific URL where you notice this behavior and specific text areas where the voice changes?
With this information we can try to see if we can reproduce the issue.
By chance I'm wondering if the "indicate capitalization" option in Settings Center got changed. To verify this,
1: Ensure that Brave is open and that it is the active window.
2. Press insert-6 (on the numbers row) to open Settings Center.
3. Type "cap" without the quotes.
4. Arrow down to the "indicate capitalization" setting and ensure that it is set for "char (meaning character.)


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/16/2020 3:14 PM, T. Civitello wrote:

I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Warning, political article link included, concerning Social Security for people with a disability

Richard Turner
 

If you are receiving Social Security for a Disability, you may want to read this.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disabled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Social-Security?detail=emaildkre

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 


moderated Re: form fields in word

 

Jasmine,

            Help text is not printed because it is not visible.  As you know, you add it as part of a control, usually along with alt-text, but that only causes the screen reader to announce the alt-text when you land in the control, or if you hit F1 when sitting in a control.  For the sighted, the help text is also shown in the Word "window frame" at the bottom left side or, if they hit F1, as a pop-up.

             If you actually want what you have as help text for a given form control printed, then you need to add that as visible text to the form itself, usually delimiting it in a smaller point size, using a different color/font/etc., from the main form labels (which, by the way, generally correspond to the alt-text that is announced when you land in a control), and the actual font/point size used in the controls themselves.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Jasmine Kotsay
 

I actually don’t use an external one. Thank you, though!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Jasmine,

           If you are keeping an external mouse connected, I would suggest using the setting that allows you to disable the internal pointing device (the mousepad) when an external USB pointing device is attached.  Exactly where that is located under the Control Panel, Mouse pane depends on the exact brand of internal mouse is used on your laptop and how the dialog that comes up presents it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

 

Jasmine,

           If you are keeping an external mouse connected, I would suggest using the setting that allows you to disable the internal pointing device (the mousepad) when an external USB pointing device is attached.  Exactly where that is located under the Control Panel, Mouse pane depends on the exact brand of internal mouse is used on your laptop and how the dialog that comes up presents it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: form fields in word

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I have a form field question for you. I tried to create an accessible form on my own, but when I tried to print the form with the fields, the help text didn’t print. Do you have any ideas as to why this may be?

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: form fields in word

 

Cynthia,

            Definitely tell them that using Legacy Form Fields would be a big improvement from an accessibility angle.  Also, if blind students are expected to fill in this form independently, all of those tables that don't have legacy form controls (most likely text form fields) should have one created in each cell, with appropriate alt-text and help-text, so that they can be navigated and filled out with ease.

             Here are three examples of MS-Fillable Forms, with editing restricted to filling out fields only, that I have created for prior clients (the Bus Note was actually used in the school office, while the client intake was a "proof of concept" that never made it to completion because the person for whom it was being created dropped out of school).  The one for reporting an NVDA Bug was created to make it far easier for someone who cannot see to fill out the required bug report format without accidentally deleting some of the text markers that the developers use to quickly navigate the final bug report.

BusNoteForm.dotx

New_Client_Intake_Form.dotx

NVDA_Github_Issue_Template.dotx

All three, if saved somewhere and double clicked, will open a blank version of the form with the form fields fillable/checkable as needed.  Because of how MS-Word handles text fields, you will not hear what you've typed in announced by the screen reader until you tab out of the form field and then shift+tab back in.  So, to review a form I generally suggest either doing it as soon as you finish with a text field, by shift-tabbing back in, or by filling out the whole form and then just quickly revisiting all the text fields afterward, as you will now hear whatever you do have in them when you initially land in them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: form fields in word

 

Cynthia,

            Definitely tell them that using Legacy Form Fields would be a big improvement from an accessibility angle.  Also, if blind students are expected to fill in this form independently, all of those tables that don't have legacy form controls (most likely text form fields) should have one created in each cell, with appropriate alt-text and help-text, so that they can be navigated and filled out with ease.

             Here are three examples of MS-Fillable Forms, with editing restricted to filling out fields only, that I have created for prior clients (the Bus Note was actually used in the school office, while the client intake was a "proof of concept" that never made it to completion because the person for whom it was being created dropped out of school).  The one for reporting an NVDA Bug was created to make it far easier for someone who cannot see to fill out the required bug report format without accidentally deleting some of the text markers that the developers use to quickly navigate the final bug report.

BusNoteForm.dotx

New_Client_Intake_Form.dotx

NVDA_Github_Issue_Template.dotx

All three, if saved somewhere and double clicked, will open a blank version of the form with the form fields fillable/checkable as needed.  Because of how MS-Word handles text fields, you will not hear what you've typed in announced by the screen reader until you tab out of the form field and then shift+tab back in.  So, to review a form I generally suggest either doing it as soon as you finish with a text field, by shift-tabbing back in, or by filling out the whole form and then just quickly revisiting all the text fields afterward, as you will now hear whatever you do have in them when you initially land in them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,

I actually keep my mouse on. I don’t ever even use the buttons to click when prompted. I usually don’t have any trouble with the mouse pad, unless I have long sleeves on. I keep the mouse on because I sometimes have someone who can see helping with the computer. I like the idea of having cardboard taped to the touchpad, though.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Laptop mouse question

 

List,

 

I have had numerous laptops over the years and the “mouse” area always causes problems…  Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

Mark D. Arnold

Co-Director

American Blind Golf

Phone: (330) 419-1710

www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

www.OhioBlindGolf.com

 

Motivate, Inspire & Serve

 


moderated Re: form fields in word

Cynthia Bruce
 

This is actually really helpful because I can go to the course designers who seem to have created the forms and tell them what part of the problem is at least. I so appreciate your help.


On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cynthia,

             I have received your example.  There are several issues with how it was designed, and at the moment the biggest one was the use of ActiveX controls for the fillable fields and the next one that it is not done as a true fillable form, where the only thing you can touch is those fillable fields.

             I have to do some additional research on how one goes about converting ActiveX controls to straight text once they've been filled out.  So far, I have not found any simple way to do that.  I never use ActiveX controls when creating fillable forms, far preferring the legacy form fields, which correspond to what one's used to on webpages, and are far easier to convert to straight text after the form is filled out.  I'll let you know what I find if I find it (or don't).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

Chris Hill
 

I just tried it with both vocalizer and eloquence.  No problems here.  I've had a gradually rising pitch with eloquence in the past while reading long items, that's one of the reasons I don't generally use it.



On 11/16/2020 16:04, Mike B wrote:

Tom,
 
Have you merged your J2020 settings into J2021?  If not, try that to see if it helps.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

I forgot to say it doesn’t happen when using Jaws 2020. Tom
 
From: TCivitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:14 PM
Subject: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: canvas accessibility

Jasmine Kotsay
 

I, too, find Canvas to be extremely accessible! I have had issues with some things, but that is the way the teacher made the quizzes. I have never had any trouble sending messages.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: canvas accessibility

 

I use Canvas and never had issues with filling out evaluations or sending messages from the Dashboard. I find Canvas to be quite accessible in all my courses and quizzes. Sorry to hear you are having such a touch time. What online program are you using? I use Chrome.

 

Vaughn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: canvas accesssibility

 

 

This is only partly true in my opinion.

  1. It seems impossible to get anything meaningful out of the Calendar page – even if using the recommended  Agenda view for accessibility. I don’t know if this is the fault of the Tutors but it is pretty baffling to interpret with a screenreader with only unattributed numbers being announced.
  2. 2. Ihave never found the Quizzes fully accessible. Check boxes are not announced in the version I have tried show it is impossible to tell what they relate to without sight.
  3. I have never on the courses I have been on been able to complete a session evaluation form. There seems no way to focus into an edit box for feedback with a screenreader.
  4. Similarly I have never been able to complete an end course evaluation for similar reasons. It seems impossible to focus into edit boxes in able to submit comments.
  5. Whilst it is relatively easy to respond to Tutor initiated discussion I have never been able to initiate messages. With the screenreaders I use at least this is an extremely clunky process where you have to assign message receivers from drop down buttons  which seem very hard to manage with a Screenreader. Whilst I can sometimes get into a list containing the names of students and course tutors I have found no way of selecting these so that I can actually send a message.
  6. There may be work arounds for all this but I have been using screenreaders since 1999 and I  certainly do not find these parts of the site straightforward or easy.

David G.

Sent fro
m Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shai
Sent: 15 November 2020 22:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: canvas accesssibility

 

Hello Paul,

Yes Canvas itself is accessible with JAWS2020. I have not tried it

with JAWS2021 yet so I can't comment there.

 

 

On 11/15/20, Paul Faucheux <pf112781@...> wrote:

> hi this is paul faucheux. is canvas accessible with jaws 2020 or 2021. i am

> going to be taking information communications  technology  courses at north

> shore technical community college. i previously went there from january 3

> 2008 to march 21 2011. during that time they used blackboard for course

> materials  and accessing assignments as well as submitting assignments

> please let me know  if it is accessible and if not what should i do or say

> to instructors and people at at the school. i will be taking the classes at

> there hammond louisiana campus. please email  me at pf112781@... or

> call me at 985-370-2072.

>

 

 

--

Shai Wolman

Wolman technologies

(619)894-6587

Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be

productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing

tasks.

atvistech@...

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Don H
 

So I notice when checking out for the SMA there is a place to enter a discount code. Are there any such codes available?

On 11/16/2020 1:53 PM, Bill White wrote:
Here is the link, tom.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/UpgradeAndSMARenewal <https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/UpgradeAndSMARenewal>
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *T. Civitello
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2020 11:49 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws SMA
Could you provide a link to the FS sma renewal page? I couldn’t find it.  Tom
*From:*Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2020 11:29 AM
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: Jaws SMA
That’s why I did it through the web site.
Richard
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*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Rick Mladek
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2020 11:25 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws SMA
Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Jaws SMA
That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers.
Gerald
On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:

There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license
edition won't go up as well.
----- Original Message -----
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*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM
*Subject:*Re: Jaws SMA
No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately
making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year
license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS
customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA
arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few
new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may
simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching
them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew
their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the
long run.
Gerald
On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:
Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1
more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or
is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is
correct?
Thanks,
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1
will be $210.00.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>] On
Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws SMA
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember
correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I
am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good
until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.


moderated Re: form fields in word

 

Cynthia,

             I have received your example.  There are several issues with how it was designed, and at the moment the biggest one was the use of ActiveX controls for the fillable fields and the next one that it is not done as a true fillable form, where the only thing you can touch is those fillable fields.

             I have to do some additional research on how one goes about converting ActiveX controls to straight text once they've been filled out.  So far, I have not found any simple way to do that.  I never use ActiveX controls when creating fillable forms, far preferring the legacy form fields, which correspond to what one's used to on webpages, and are far easier to convert to straight text after the form is filled out.  I'll let you know what I find if I find it (or don't).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

T. Civitello
 

No! I had been having a problem with “unknown call to function ....” for several weeks when I was on line. this was solved by not merging the settings from 2020 to 2021. As this problem only occurs with the Brave browser, it will probably bite the dust.  Tom
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
Tom,
 
Have you merged your J2020 settings into J2021?  If not, try that to see if it helps.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I forgot to say it doesn’t happen when using Jaws 2020. Tom
 
From: TCivitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:14 PM
Subject: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

I usually also turn it off it at all possible.

 

I acquired a Surface Pro 7 with a type cover, and, with that, you can go into settings with Windows+I, search for touch and arrow down to the option to turn on or off the touch pad.

 

Another thing with the type cover is that the fn key can be tapped by itself to toggle the f keys to either perform the multimedia and other special functions or to just be f keys.  No going into cmos to fix it.

 

Most of the time, though, I use an external USB keyboard at home, so it’s not a big deal.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Laptop mouse question

 

List,

 

I have had numerous laptops over the years and the “mouse” area always causes problems…  Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

Mark D. Arnold

Co-Director

American Blind Golf

Phone: (330) 419-1710

www.AmericanBlindGolf.com

www.OhioBlindGolf.com

 

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moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

Mike B.
 


Tom,
 
Have you merged your J2020 settings into J2021?  If not, try that to see if it helps.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

I forgot to say it doesn’t happen when using Jaws 2020. Tom
 
From: TCivitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:14 PM
Subject: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

Wow, I should have first asked what others do. Hitting the hyphen for separators helped, but I never thought about checking if the messages were in a table. Pretty dumb of me. That works great. Using table navigation even reads you each message without hitting any other keys.

 

While headings would be nice too, table navigation works great here. Thanks for pointing this out, and again, wish I had asked earlier.

David

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