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Re: Petition A Waste

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Agreed. What is your background, Peter, as it relates to your proposed screen reader? And, are you still expecting all involved to donate hundreds if not thousands of man hours to this, as you suggested a week or two ago? Of course, name your screen reader agape ...


At 02:44 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Alright Peter, then get to developing my friend. Most of us are not developers.

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Re: Petition A Waste

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

peter, are you offering your own vast programming knowledge for this, or perhaps to go find some venture capital or seed money for this? If you're still an "federationalist", get them involved too. Come back to us consumers when you have a powerful product ready to show us that is as customizable as JFW. I'oll be interested as a consumer when you have something that does a better job then Jaws plus Hot Spot Clicker, CakeTalking, and several other rather involved script packages I use on a daily basis.

I think we understand your position. If you don't want to sign the petition, nobody is holding a gun to your head to do so.



At 02:21 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Hello everyone,

Yup the same resources that could be put to better use assembling
programmers to develop a newer and innovative screen reading product giving
the blind community another choice when selecting a screen reader. It was
blind programmers that conceived and developed the current crop of screen
reading products now available to us. It will take an equally ambitious
group of blind programmers to develop even better screen access products in
the future. This is a far better use of time and brain power than a stupid
petition.

Peter Donahue


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Re: Petition A Waste

PHILLIP TRACY <tracyp4390@...>
 

Alright Peter, then get to developing my friend. Most of us are not developers.

Phillip Tracy
Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:22 PM, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Yup the same resources that could be put to better use assembling
programmers to develop a newer and innovative screen reading product giving
the blind community another choice when selecting a screen reader. It was
blind programmers that conceived and developed the current crop of screen
reading products now available to us. It will take an equally ambitious
group of blind programmers to develop even better screen access products in
the future. This is a far better use of time and brain power than a stupid
petition.

Peter Donahue


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Re: Petition A Waste

PHILLIP TRACY <tracyp4390@...>
 

It's all about attitude. A petition is never a waste, at least your voice is being heard. Whether or not something is done about it, well that's another issue, but at least you have your say. It's much better than being silent. Being silent and doing nothing absolutely guarantees that nothing will be done.

Phillip Tracy
Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:22 PM, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Yup the same resources that could be put to better use assembling
programmers to develop a newer and innovative screen reading product giving
the blind community another choice when selecting a screen reader. It was
blind programmers that conceived and developed the current crop of screen
reading products now available to us. It will take an equally ambitious
group of blind programmers to develop even better screen access products in
the future. This is a far better use of time and brain power than a stupid
petition.

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Re: Petition A Waste

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Let's assume you are right and that there are a number of blind programmers with the desire and ability to write a better screen reader. Let's also assume there is venture capital available to support those programmers.
First of all, the petition, in no way diverts resources from such a project.
Second, if there is a petition protesting the product that is the current industry leader, I think I might be persuaded, as a programmer or as a venture capitalist, to invest my resources in such a project.
So, I don't disagree with you. I actually think the petition tends to support your idea. If Freedom Scientific chooses to ignore the petition, then I would be even more encouraged to support your project if I had the resources to invest in it.
Of course, if Freedom Scientific does see the error of its ways and takes genuine steps to correct the problems, then we really don't have as great a need for this new product.
Perhaps I'm just selfish, but all I want is a stable screen reading product that lets me do my job efficiently, and I don't really care who makes it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Petition A Waste

Hello everyone,

Yup the same resources that could be put to better use assembling
programmers to develop a newer and innovative screen reading product giving
the blind community another choice when selecting a screen reader. It was
blind programmers that conceived and developed the current crop of screen
reading products now available to us. It will take an equally ambitious
group of blind programmers to develop even better screen access products in
the future. This is a far better use of time and brain power than a stupid
petition.

Peter Donahue


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Petition A Waste

Peter Donahue
 

Hello everyone,

Yup the same resources that could be put to better use assembling
programmers to develop a newer and innovative screen reading product giving
the blind community another choice when selecting a screen reader. It was
blind programmers that conceived and developed the current crop of screen
reading products now available to us. It will take an equally ambitious
group of blind programmers to develop even better screen access products in
the future. This is a far better use of time and brain power than a stupid
petition.

Peter Donahue


Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Adrian Spratt
 

I am responding to Gerald's message, below, and Chris's reply.
Unfortunately, Chris didn't attach Gerald's initial post.

According to the AFB, 1.5 million people with vision loss use computers.
Obviously, the definition of vision loss is a question, but AFB's
definition may embrace it in this case. The page, in a section that has lots
of other relevant statistics, is at:
http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?SectionID=15&TopicID=413&DocumentID=4900

But even taking your lowest customer base estimate of 50,000, Gerald, FS's
annual revenue would be half a million dollars on SMA payments alone. In
reality, most revenue will come from new users, users whose SMAs have
lapsed, government and corporate purchasers and presumably also government
grants.

Consumer complaints are always seen as the tip of the iceberg. The number
that will generate action depends on many factors. One is the nature of the
business. One or two food poisoning complaints will get action, but a
hundred mail-order complaints might not.

As several listers have noted, FS is a non-public entity, and it is
difficult to imagine what it will take for individual consumers, even when
organized, to influence policy. I suggest that for any petition to succeed,
it should also be sent to the US Education Department, the Federal Trade
Commission, the ACB, the NFB and state and local commissions for the blind.
The larger organizations can use the number of dissatisfied customers
signing the petition to prevail on FS to change its practices. It will be
important to keep the petition focused and to have maybe no more than three
specific recommendations.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as legally
blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use computers with
screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind people do not use
computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is probably quite small.
Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are unemployed, so they would have
little or no means of acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And
the vast majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech
related mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the
petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret,
so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess not
based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple
of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those
helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds
of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people
that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect?
Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes
to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than
intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most
accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more
accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to
accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in
some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to
do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Don't forget the power of social media in all this. All of us with
facebook and twitter have a number of jaws user friends on the
respective platforms and in turn they are connected to more jaws users
so I think the message can be spread quite far and won't be limited to
a few mailing lists.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Ed,

As alluded before, I suspect that no one except the various national
governments have any idea how many blind people there are, and only FS will

know how many active customers they have. Either data will likely be
impossible to get due to laws covering privacy.

So a suggestion is to pick a number like 100. That may be more than the
number of people on this list, but I'm guessing less than the total number
of users on the 5 lists to which I currently subscribe. And of course there

are lists to which I don't .

See what other substantive suggestions you get, and then pick a number that

at least shows a strong mandate.

Can't help with an alternate web site, sorry.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 08:45
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple
of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal.

I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should

sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with

the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind
persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What

would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is

JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to

screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive
prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public
petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site

for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is
Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to
accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in
some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to
do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Dave...
 

Ed,

As alluded before, I suspect that no one except the various national
governments have any idea how many blind people there are, and only FS will
know how many active customers they have. Either data will likely be
impossible to get due to laws covering privacy.

So a suggestion is to pick a number like 100. That may be more than the
number of people on this list, but I'm guessing less than the total number
of users on the 5 lists to which I currently subscribe. And of course there
are lists to which I don't .

See what other substantive suggestions you get, and then pick a number that
at least shows a strong mandate.

Can't help with an alternate web site, sorry.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 08:45
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple
of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal.
I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should
sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with
the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind
persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What
would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to
screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive
prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public
petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site
for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is
Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to
accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in
some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to
do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Jerald, all excelent points, especially the one about most users not being part of these mailing lists.

There is one thing to keep in mind here Mark and all:

Years ago, if commercial broadcasters received complaints about a program, they assumed that each complaint letter represented thousands of people who wern't motivated enough to actually contact them.
Also consider that in the days of consumer surveys done through postal mail, a 2% return rate was standard.

I don't know how those numbers compare to today, since it is much more convenient for people to tweat or facebook their disapproval, or type something nasty into the comment field on a newspaper site. But, it is fair to assume that for every person who signs the petition, there are still a number of others equally annoyed who for whatever reason, don't bother signing.

If you can find recent credible data on this phenomenon, recent enough that it reflects the move to social media and other digital forms of expressing one's displeasure, that should be included to bolster our case. If you find out that one signature represents a hundred who are equally ticked off, and cite credible academic sources, that will be harder for FS to ignore.

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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Gerald Levy
 

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

I believe change.org asks for more contact info like mailing address, city etc. I tried starting a petition there and people objected to providing that much personal info.
I ended up going with this site instead:
http://www.ipetitions.com
and you can see what it's like to sign a petition there by going to mine at:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dhjo/

You can easily tweat and facebook about it, and you can pick an address suffix like I did above, so you might end up with something like www.website.com/petition/jaws/ which is pretty easy to remember.

At 11:45 AM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Re: question

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

tell windows to show file extensions.



At 09:22 AM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
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Freedom Scientific Petition

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Adrian Spratt
 

Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired people, so it will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them to ask Nuance to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Guido Corona <aloysiusq@...>
 

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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Re: question

Adrian Spratt
 

The term is file extension. Tell us which operating system you're using to
get the right instructions.

I would change the subject line, but I don't want you to miss a reply. The
subject line should be more specific, such as "File extensions."

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Curt Taubert
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:23 AM
To: Jfw@...
Subject: question

How do you get jaws to announce stuff like .txt and, .exe, ect?
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Re: question

david <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello try;

Computer,

Alt+t=tools,

O=options,

Shift+tab=general,
Right arrow once=view tab,

Now tab to the listview,

Press the letter "h" until you hear;
Hide extensions for known file types
It's most likely on,
Press spacebar to turn off,
Tab okay press enter.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
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Re: junk in WLM

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Got it, thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:13 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: junk in WLM

Hello there;
Well, in outlook;
Press applications key,
Up arrow enter on junk sub menu,
Up arrow enter on options,
With the arrow key,
Choose,
No Automatic Filtering. Mail from blocked senders is still moved to the
Junk Email folder.
That's the first choice,
Now tab okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: junk in WLM

It's not just WLM. I have learned to check the Junk folder in Outlook
frequently. Some of the stuff from this list winds up their regularly.
Wish I knew what algorithm the program used to determine what is good
and what is junk; it appears to be random.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: junk in WLM

Do you have a not spam but in

On 10/1/12, Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:
Yes, I can move a message from the junk folder to the inbox, but I
wish it would go straight to inbox and not to the junk folder.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 2:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: junk in WLM

Hi Stan dose msn have a remove but in or move to inbox?

On 10/1/12, Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:
Listers: A lot of the mail from this list goes into my junk mail
folder in WLM.

Why is this? How do I change things?

My server is MSN.

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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

To proof I always use the proofreading scheme anyway, even with Eloquence.
Then, one never risks a capitalization mistake. Caps are indicated with the word "cap."
Solid caps are indicated with "all caps."

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie Switzer
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:57 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

May I point that the realspeak voices didn't support pitch change with
capital letters either? As long as you know something is capitalized
for example a name of a state or a person's name or even the beginning
of a sentence you should be fine. Also if you use the shift key and/or
caps lock and you know you're pressing it you should be fine. :) I'm
speaking from the point of view of someone who used realspeak (or
whatever it's called) with Jaws, and is still using it with Jaws 12.

On 10/1/12, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...> wrote:
I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14 does
not
appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way to
have
the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using Samantha, and
there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is this a bug? Anyone
else
noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create
an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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