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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Ah yes, rhythm work. One of our favorites was a big band remake of "In
the Mood." I remember a good country 78 by Bryant and West as well--two
of the hottest cats on the West Coast, for those who don't remember. I
guess I've disturbed enough dust for now.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Ted,

Yes, I also recall typing class in middle school, and there was music
played so that we were forced to type the exercises to the beat, just to
force faster and faster reactions. Yes, and there were some social
interaction opportunities, but no dancing was allowed.

My problem with having had sight earlier is that I still crane my neck
to look at the display, when there is absolutely no reason any more to
do so, since my sight is totally gone. Old habits die hard. But the
social interaction skills remain.
some of the girls

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:35
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and
2. No temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned

(sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business"
class,
which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great excuse
to
meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon
promptly.
I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed a college
essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out and that
all
I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running,
or
even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave
said,
practice, practice, practice.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my
use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home
keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and
below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force
yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "lauren" <childress54@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
any special keyboards or anything like that.

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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy Selfridge
 

On those old Underwood typewriters if you slightly pressed the backspace key
while doing the carriage return the thing would make a horrid noise.
(LOLLOLLOL
Also, on those old typewriters one could disable the carriage return stops
and when you slammed the carriage back it would just continue off the
typewriter and onto the floor. (sad face)
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Ted,

Yes, I also recall typing class in middle school, and there was music played
so that we were forced to type the exercises to the beat, just to force
faster and faster reactions. Yes, and there were some social interaction
opportunities, but no dancing was allowed.

My problem with having had sight earlier is that I still crane my neck to
look at the display, when there is absolutely no reason any more to do so,
since my sight is totally gone. Old habits die hard. But the social
interaction skills remain.
some of the girls

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:35
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and
2. No temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned
(sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business" class,
which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great excuse to
meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon promptly.
I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed a college
essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out and that all
I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running, or
even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave said,
practice, practice, practice.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "lauren" <childress54@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
any special keyboards or anything like that.

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Re: Jaws and ebay

Dave...
 

Howard,

Good suggestion there about forms mode. Also note that on some web pages,
the combo box/list is interactive, so that arrowing up/down actually forces
the screen to refresh, and can throw your cursor off in the weeds. Something
to keep in mind.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 13:14
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Using XP Sp3 and JFW11,
When on a form on a web page:

If I need to find the combo boxes, I type letter c--a jaws jump to command.

Once on a combo box, I press enter for forms mode then alt plus down arrow
to pull down the ccombo box list. Arrow up or down to find the appropriate
choice. Then tab away from the combo box and on to the next control in the
form.

Sometimes after making the appropriate choice, I press numpad plus to turn
off forms mode; then I can arrow around the form to see what else will be
required. However, sometimes when I turn off forms mode I find that my
combo box did not retain its choice.

I guess everybody finds a way that works for them.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws and ebay


One more suggestion for combo boxes that is saving me torment on another
website. Instead of pressing enter to confirm the selection, press alt+up
arrow, then the PC cursor key. Sometimes pressing enter brings on
undesired
results.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay

Thank you, Juan, this worked like a charm.

I think I get so locked into doing things the same way that I can get
myself
flummoxed.

I am still using IE 8 as I didn't think I could use IE 9 with my computer.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down
arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the
options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page
and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show
the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but
no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Ted,

Yes, I also recall typing class in middle school, and there was music played
so that we were forced to type the exercises to the beat, just to force
faster and faster reactions. Yes, and there were some social interaction
opportunities, but no dancing was allowed.

My problem with having had sight earlier is that I still crane my neck to
look at the display, when there is absolutely no reason any more to do so,
since my sight is totally gone. Old habits die hard. But the social
interaction skills remain.
some of the girls

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:35
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and
2. No temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned
(sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business" class,
which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great excuse to
meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon promptly.
I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed a college
essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out and that all
I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running, or
even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave said,
practice, practice, practice.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "lauren" <childress54@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
any special keyboards or anything like that.

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Re: Jaws and ebay

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Using XP Sp3 and JFW11,
When on a form on a web page:

If I need to find the combo boxes, I type letter c--a jaws jump to command.

Once on a combo box, I press enter for forms mode then alt plus down arrow to pull down the ccombo box list. Arrow up or down to find the appropriate choice. Then tab away from the combo box and on to the next control in the form.

Sometimes after making the appropriate choice, I press numpad plus to turn off forms mode; then I can arrow around the form to see what else will be required. However, sometimes when I turn off forms mode I find that my combo box did not retain its choice.

I guess everybody finds a way that works for them.

Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws and ebay


One more suggestion for combo boxes that is saving me torment on another
website. Instead of pressing enter to confirm the selection, press alt+up
arrow, then the PC cursor key. Sometimes pressing enter brings on undesired
results.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay

Thank you, Juan, this worked like a charm.

I think I get so locked into doing things the same way that I can get myself
flummoxed.

I am still using IE 8 as I didn't think I could use IE 9 with my computer.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down
arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the
options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page
and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show
the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but
no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy Selfridge
 

You can purchase those blank caps and that, for sure, eliminates any
possibility of peeking.
I admit that I had a whale of a time touch typing until I lost all of my
vision.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

We had a teacher who wrapped the knuckles of the sight savers (lovingly, of
course--she was gentle but firm), and enjoined them not to peak.
I've heard of student machines with blank caps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and 2. No
temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned
(sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business"
class, which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great
excuse to meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon promptly.
I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed a college
essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out and that all
I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running, or
even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave said,
practice, practice, practice.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home
keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and
below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force
yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

We had a teacher who wrapped the knuckles of the sight savers (lovingly,
of course--she was gentle but firm), and enjoined them not to peak.
I've heard of student machines with blank caps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and 2. No
temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned
(sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business"
class, which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great
excuse to meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon
promptly. I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed
a college essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out
and that all I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running,
or even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave
said, practice, practice, practice.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my
use of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah,
well, even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I
guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home
keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and
below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force
yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I've stayed out of this, but couldn't resist any longer.
Blind people have some very distinct advantages. Among many, two are:
1. No temptation to look at your feet when ballroom dancing; and
2. No temptation to look at the keyboard while typing.
I actually became a much faster typist after I lost my sight. I learned (sort of) in high school. The course was offered in the "business" class, which was a euphemism for teaching secretaries. It was a great excuse to meet girls. I didn't learn much beyond the home row.
In those days, the challenge was to remember to change the ribbon promptly. I still remember, in horror, the couple of times that I typed a college essay only to be told by my reader that the ribbon had run out and that all I had were white pages with indentations. OUCH!
I cannot imagine how easy it would be to learn typing with JAWS running, or even with a Braille display. Just memorize the layout and, as Dave said, practice, practice, practice.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Cy,

Thanks! And did you notice that even the spell-checker foiled me in my use
of the word "complete" where it should have been "completely"? Ah, well,
even if tastefully composed, not carefully composed enough, I guess.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

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On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy Selfridge
 

Dave,
Excellent advice.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Agree wholeheartedly.

What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the home keys (A
S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving above and below.

Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you force yourself
to follow the patterns.

Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi,
There is no excuse for *not* learning touch typing.
The secretaries all have to touch type because they are looking at their
short hand to see what they are supposed to say.
660 words per minute is pretty much the norm for a good typest (I ain't no
where near there - LOLLOLLOL) and you can not reach anything near that speed
by looking at the keyboard. JMO, Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I guess every school for the blind in the country taught typing, even back
in The Bronze Age. I've heard Ronnie Millsap joke that they only did it so
the house parents wouldn't have to help write letters home, but it turned
out to be one of the best investments of time I ever made--and I did it for
7 of my 12 years, never dreaming what lay down the road.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie Switzer
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 6:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I learned touch typing by using Talking typer. From what I can remember they
introduce you to a few keys at a time until you've learned the entire
keyboard. Braille on a computer keyboard isn't really necessary because the
F and J keys have a line or a dot (depending on how old the computer is) on
them. When I took Keyboarding in school the teacher made us learn touch
typing. (I took it with sighted kids because I was main
streamed.) I tried the braille overlays when I was about your daughter's age
and they kept slipping off the keyboard (Do those still exist?) Finally one
of my Vision impaired teachers (V. I.s) got me talking typer. Anyway I
started writing this to point out that most sighted people don't look at the
keyboard while they type, so why should we? :) I'm only saying the "sighted
people" part because I remember that my keyboarding teacher said it over and
over. :) I admire you for allowing your daughter the chance to use a quarity
keyboard. I didn't get to use one until resently. Though that was more the
school's fault then my parrents.
lol. :)
Good luck with everthing! :)

On 6/22/12, Kimsan Song <kimsansong@...> wrote:
Oh? My? Gosh? Dave Carlson you crack me up!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Late? Not at all. It's still 2012. You have up to a year, month, and a
day to respond. OF course the originator may have moved on to other
topics -- or lists, or countries.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 07:01
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Hi Richard,
This is a late response. I first started to learn to type on an old
manual typewriter when I was about your daughter's age fifty years
ago. At thattime
my classroom had a Braille book with a prototype of a keyboard
showing
keys with Braille labels that was part of the Braille book. I
memorized the keyboard and my average typing speed on a typewriter is
about 60-70 WPM. If your daughter is going to be proficient she needs
to learn proper fingering and memorization. This is the same method
that professional sighted stenographers and typists have used for
years. Of course, at that time while use of Braille was encouraged for
totally blind children it was also expected that blind children
learned how to adapt and used standard whenever possible. hope this
helps.
Chuck
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I am a typically sighted parent of a blind child (age 9). I interact
with many other parents of blind children and could use some advice
for my child and to share with other parents.

My daughter was effectively born blind having lost all usable vision
by a few months of age. She learned braille from the start and
learned to type on a perkins brailler first, then started to learn
qwerty. She much prefers to use a braille keyboard on her computer
and notetaker (Apex) as well, keeping a qwerety keyboard plugged in
on her computer for occasional use for certain keys and functions.

My question is this: What is the best way for a blind typist to learn
to use a qwerty keyboard; to do this most efficiently? Is it using
JAWS feedback with the repeating of characters verbally as typed?
What about the braille key caps, or at least braille stickers for
keys? (I have never yet found a USB braille key capped keyboard, only
an old PS-2 style unit) I get that touch typing and just pressing
down on braille key caps would be of little use braille-wise, but is
is like for sighted typists, in that it helps get reoriented when
your fingers move or you get distracted, etc., and just to learn
qwerty in the beginning? It would be easy enough to remove the
braille and go with a standard keyboard later on-- conventional
keyboards are cheap.

What we end up with as parents is an argument between (mostly
typically-sighted) parents that braille caps are a great idea vs. how
bad of an idea they are to use. I'm not trying to sit in either
camp-- I'm wondering which seems to help (and curious about any
suggestions of the best ways to learn qwerty typing without vision).

I don't want to clog up the list too much with this, though it is
JAWS-related, obviously. Please do feel free to reply directly if you
prefer. Your response may be valuable to quite a few parents of
younger, keyboard-learning braille computer users, so thanks for any
experience you may be able to share.

Richard
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Re: Jaws and ebay

Adrian Spratt
 

One more suggestion for combo boxes that is saving me torment on another
website. Instead of pressing enter to confirm the selection, press alt+up
arrow, then the PC cursor key. Sometimes pressing enter brings on undesired
results.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay

Thank you, Juan, this worked like a charm.

I think I get so locked into doing things the same way that I can get myself
flummoxed.

I am still using IE 8 as I didn't think I could use IE 9 with my computer.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down
arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the
options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page
and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show
the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but
no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

Well Dave!
I'm a deaf blind fella. So have got to carry these things about anyway. With my braille note DBC I pretty much have the whole package all in one machine.
But my point is simply one size does not fit all.
What works for you, ain't gonna work for me!
Just that there are in fact other options out there.
Sit
STAY
JackJack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:15:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
And yes it's true that I could carry a separate speech
synthesizer with me
wherever I go, or a scanner, as well for OCR. But when it comes
to
traveling, I prefer as few add-ons as possible. So far, using
the Microsoft
Natural keyboard on my home and office computers has kept all the
RMI at
bay.
I do envy your speed with the Braille keyboard, as I know it's
very handy
when taking notes.

Dave Carlson
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Dell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 07:23
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Ah DAVE!
But one easily can. Or even can easily.
There are portable braille dispays with braille keyboards built
right into them.
You got your new foccus forty blue and fourteen You got your
braille pen you got your refreshabraille.
Course if you wanna disagree with me then have at it! God knows
you ain't alone.
JackJack

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when
you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in
case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having
dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill
in the
mainstream world.
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Jaws and ebay

Crystal French
 

Thank you, Juan, this worked like a charm.

I think I get so locked into doing things the same way that I can get myself flummoxed.

I am still using IE 8 as I didn't think I could use IE 9 with my computer.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Jaws and ebay

Robert S Juenger
 

Hi,
I have been using eBay for 12 years and sometimes it helps to use insert and
escape.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Jaws and ebay

Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...>
 

Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Jaws and ebay

Crystal French
 

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Jack,

And yes it's true that I could carry a separate speech synthesizer with me
wherever I go, or a scanner, as well for OCR. But when it comes to
traveling, I prefer as few add-ons as possible. So far, using the Microsoft
Natural keyboard on my home and office computers has kept all the RMI at
bay.

I do envy your speed with the Braille keyboard, as I know it's very handy
when taking notes.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 07:23
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Ah DAVE!
But one easily can. Or even can easily.
There are portable braille dispays with braille keyboards built
right into them.
You got your new foccus forty blue and fourteen You got your
braille pen you got your refreshabraille.
Course if you wanna disagree with me then have at it! God knows
you ain't alone.
JackJack


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when
you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in
case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having
dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill
in the
mainstream world.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

Ah DAVE!
But one easily can. Or even can easily.
There are portable braille dispays with braille keyboards built right into them.
You got your new foccus forty blue and fourteen You got your braille pen you got your refreshabraille.
Course if you wanna disagree with me then have at it! God knows you ain't alone.
JackJack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when
you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in
case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having
dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill
in the
mainstream world.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Jack,

Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill in the
mainstream world.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack


----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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