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Re: text documents or tutorials

Mary Ann Sears <maryannsears1972@...>
 

Sorry.

Windows7, Microsoft office 2007/ 2010 with is excel, power point, access,
outlook

How to use drop box and send space.
How to use facebook, victor stream, intel reader, Braille note m power

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: text documents or tutorials

which programs specifically?
that's very vague.



At 11:21 PM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
Hello I was wondering if anyone has any on different computer programs

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Re: why it's went to junk folder?

Dave...
 

Probably because we've been spouting a bunch of c**p lately?

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 18:12
Subject: why it's went to junk folder?


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Re: text documents or tutorials

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

which programs specifically?
that's very vague.



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Re: JAWS 13 Pro & Utillity Programs

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Microsoft Security Esentials is free and entirely accessible. works great.
Also check out Malware Bites.




At 11:17 PM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
Hello:



Have been using Norton 360, and it is not compatible with JAWS 13 Pro. Is
there another utillity suite that is compatible with JAWS 13 Pro?



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jaws 13 pro:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi The best anti virus software sweet is to use is microsoft security
essentials. It has virus protection and spyware protection in one package.
You can download it for free at:
http://www.microsoft.com.
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text documents or tutorials

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JAWS 13 Pro & Utillity Programs

Brian Smith
 

Hello:



Have been using Norton 360, and it is not compatible with JAWS 13 Pro. Is
there another utillity suite that is compatible with JAWS 13 Pro?



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Hello All,
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Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

northstar1950@...
 

hahahahah, there's nothing anyone can do with your jaws serial number since you have to actually have the 20 digit authorization code in order to get a key from the internet, what a laugh!


Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 12:24 PM, Shawn Keen said:
----------------------------------------
Sure, I'm waiting on someone to maliciously pay for my SMA. once they figure out what the xx stands for of course. there's only about 100 different combonations. that would be a super patient customer service
rep.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <support@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers


Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum where
it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message ----- From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
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Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first version
of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you can see
that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@...>
 

I remember my first jaws. It was 3.5, and before that I used a 3.3
demo. I remember the thrill I got when I heard a talking installation
and the computer, it was the first time I think I'd heard a computer
talk properly. Do you guys remember the little song and the sound of
the shark swimming in the water when the installation started? And
Doctor Jaws? By the way, my 3.5 number is 42820

On 10/3/12, Robbie Curtis <essence64@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I started with JAWS 3.2, and my serial number is 22288.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and 9.

I
have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the remote
access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as the
version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5. Was
your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have to
collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use
computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind
people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is
probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are
unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But
if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS
users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is
only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so,
I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it
comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some
less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is
better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
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group conversation

Stan Holdeman
 

Listers: Right after starting in WLM I set it up to group messages by conversation. Somehow that got turned off. Now I can’t get it turned back on. Every time I get to a button about conversation it is said to be unavailable.

Any suggestions?

Stan
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Flexible Web

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

FS just release a podcast on their new Flexible Web for the beta 2 for jaws 14. It looks good. It makes the web you check easy to move around without having to deal with adds phranes. Listen to it, you will like what they are doing with it.

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Re: Accessibility training using various applications

paul lemm
 

Hi,

Thanks for sharing this, I've just moved my home pc over to office 2010
and work are changing to 2010 later this year so I think this will be really
helpful

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: 03 October 2012 17:30
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Accessability training using various applications

This seems to me like a link to a valuable resource and as almost every post
is a plea for help, I have changed the subject line to be a wee bit more
specific.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: October-02-12 7:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: need help

Shan,

It's great that you contributed this information. I'm re-posting the link
so that anyone interested can follow up. To make a link work, add a return
key before and after it. Here goes:
http://www.karlencommunications.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: need help

Hi: Last week I took training on using Microsoft word, Microsoft xl,
outlook, and powerpoint from an accessibility perspective.
The course was was aimed at professionals who have been using access
equipment for a while. Anyways I was really impressed by the Microsoft
office training that was provided. Anyways here's a link to the person's
site who gave the training. http://www.karlencommunications.comcheck it out
and hopefully it will meet your needs. Karen is certified by Microsoft and
she has written numerous books on how to use the Office products from an
accessibility point of view. I sure found the training to be of a high
quality and now I'm confident that I can build my own power point slide
presentations that look professional, and the ribbons are not scary any more
for me.

Have a good evening.
Shan Noyes




-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: October-01-12 9:39 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: need help

www.blindtraining.com has textbooks which you may purchase to help you use
the topics you mentioned.
However, I don't think there is a book on jaws 13 and the latest is jaws 12
for books. Not sure.
Along with the books come audio tutorials to listen to.
Hth.




Kimsan Song
Online Access Technology Trainer
Phone:
1-877-774-7670
www.BlindAccessTraining.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: need help



are you asking for tutorials? I'm not sure I understand your question.

At 10:36 AM 10/1/2012, you wrote:
Hello I was wondering if anyone has or knows where to get different
text or audio information on different programs on the computer. for
example



Windows7

Microsoft office 2007 and 2010

Jaws 13

Mozzlia firefox

Hot keys to get around

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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I started with JAWS 3.2, and my serial number is 22288.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and 9. I
have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the remote
access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as the
version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5. Was
your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have to
collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use
computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind
people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is
probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are
unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But
if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS
users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is
only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so,
I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it
comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some
less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is
better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Well, without an auth code, a locking code, or am SMA, he who steals my
serial number steals trash! I think I've heard that somewhere before.
You may have a point, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: support@...
Subject: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum
where it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good
idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
----------------------------------------
Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first
version of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you can see
that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.
However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified
as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS
users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but
this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a success.
One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry
of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition
to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were
not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

peter, a serial number is not a full authorization, locking code, etc. Please engage your brain.



At 01:09 PM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum where
it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
----------------------------------------
Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first
version of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you
can see that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.
However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new
users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new
version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be
sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using
a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in
late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very
recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall
population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7
Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or
users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind
people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number
of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of
blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no
means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded
secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually
using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the
number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000,
but this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific
"Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing
so, I have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps
requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use
JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What
would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a
flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little
awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but
there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this
petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting
assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests
were not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Dave...
 

Robert, very refreshing perspective. I suspect we can say that JAWS are
required to eat the chocolate, can't we?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "robert hebert" <roberthebert@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 08:45
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices


Maybe Samantha's pitch will change if you give her a box of chocolates or a
dozen roses--such things usually do make women exclaim. Now, I bet I'm
really going to get it for that one--better figure out how it is Jaws
related too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: October-02-12 5:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Yes, for sure, it's an option, and one I have been using, but, as you say,
not very elegant, or efficient for that matter! Hope there is a solution as
I've grown rather fond of Samantha!

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 5:55 AM, john.falter <john.falter@...> wrote:

Remember that you can place the cursor on the letter whose case you need
to know and press the numpad 5 key three times to get the ascii value. If
the value is less than 91, the letter is upper case; greater than is lower
case.
Not elegant but it gets the job done.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk"
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices


I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
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Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a
way to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to
enter my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Dave...
 

Ted,

You are right on the mark. I also had (actually still do have) that floppy
disc. But no 3.5-inch drive any longer.


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----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 08:54
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


I think (and don't hold me to this) that 3.X was the first release to
incorporate its own software synthesizer, and the first to come on a CD.
If I'm right, that dates it to 1998, the summer I purchased my first
Windows machine for home use, running '98. It was a double jewel case,
with a CD in one side, and room for an authorization floppy in the
other.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

well my sn is 17xx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 05:46
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and
9. I have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the
remote access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.
However it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as
the
version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5. Was
your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have
to
collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast
majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech
related
mailing
lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition.
FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But
if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS
users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is
only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing
so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be
a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would
anyone
on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is
better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
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Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Dave...
 

Peter,

Unless you're joking, I would not want you having the responsibility of
creating any software for the blind -- or for me. You should see that we are
not giving out our exact serial numbers, disguising them with the "XXX"
characters. I suppose anyone can randomly generate my serial number if they
try long enough, but then it would be pretty quickly found out when I
renewed my own subscription. This casual collection of user data is not
exposing anyone.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
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Cc: <support@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:09
Subject: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers


Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum where
it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
----------------------------------------
Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first version of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you can see that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
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Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
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Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Soronel Haetir
 

Not to mention needing to figure out the unlock code. That would be
the dumb one to give out.

On 10/3/12, Shawn Keen <shawn.keen@...> wrote:
Sure, I'm waiting on someone to maliciously pay for my SMA. once they
figure out what the xx stands for of course. there's only about 100
different combonations. that would be a super patient customer service rep.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <support@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers


Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum where
it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
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Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first version
of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you can see
that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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