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Re: looking for a hard drive password program

Dave...
 

I've used one called Imation Lock, and it's pretty accessible with JAWS.
It came with one of my flash drives, so I'm not certain tat it works with
other types of hard drives.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

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To: <Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:54
Subject: looking for a hard drive password program


hello list.
can anyone tell me if there is a free program that will enable me to put a
password on my secondary hard drive?
i have a primary hard drive in my computer but i also have a secondary one
and it is this one i would like to have passworded.
all help is greatly appreciated.
regards.
stephen faill
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JAWS append to clip board

Dondi
 

Hi Everyone,



Is there a shortcut key to delete what's on the JAWS append to clip board?
I'm getting kind of tired of this warning message every time I want to start
a new series of text copies.



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looking for a hard drive password program

stephen faill <stephen.faill@...>
 

hello list.
can anyone tell me if there is a free program that will enable me to put a password on my secondary hard drive?
i have a primary hard drive in my computer but i also have a secondary one and it is this one i would like to have passworded.
all help is greatly appreciated.
regards.
stephen faill
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Re: Where in the world are you?

Gerald Levy
 

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return again.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Out and About" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dave...
 

Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Ted,

That's good news to hear. That's currently my setup -- Outlook 2007 and IE7
with JAWS 13. There are still some lengthy pauses from JAWS due to whatever
mysterious gremlins are doing their internal housekeeping, and I reload JAWS
2 or 3 times a day when it starts to misbehave, but in general it's good.

Is that damning with faint praise? Don't know.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:09
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Outlook 2007 was a pil for a long time--ever since it was installed in
our shop. Switching from JAWS 10 to 13 changed the problems, but did
not eliminate them. Then IT tried going to IE 7--hardly the latest and
greatest--and. . . problem solved! JAWS 13 runs like a top at both home
and work, and Internet apps that drove me to distraction are now
reliable. Had I only known. . . .

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:37 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave, thanks for the excellent insights.

Ambrose,

You seem to have imagined that I said that JAWS never works for anybody,
ever.

What I was actually reporting was a specific set of problems, and
attempts at solving them, in a specific place, with a specific JAWS site
license, under specific circumstances.

The reality is that DOS/Windows was never designed to do something as
weird as install a screen reader "driver". Doing such things is nothing
but an inelegant kludge from an engineering perspective, and is just
asking for trouble.

The lack of industry standards for accessible technology is appalling,
as are all the bureaucrats that collect fat checks while telling
everyone that AT products are "so cool". The sociological myth
structures that have been built up are largely a feature of distorted
market dynamics and unspoken institutional fear of disability lawyers.
Lots of people are in on the scam, the vendors simply attempt to satisfy
the resulting business demand on a cr*ppy architecture.

The error was seen on multiple models of Dell business class machines,
with various different methods of installing Windows 7 "Ultimate"
(Enterprise), 64 bit. Windows was hand installed from .ISO media. Then
it was installed from an industrial strength network imaging platform
(Altiris). Central computing has some undocumented "security" features
that are mandatory, so we have to live with that.

Extreme care was taken to install Windows 7 in as "bare metal" a manner
as possible, including taking excruciating pains to install Dell
hardware drivers exactly according to manufacturer's instructions.

Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 were installed in a completely standard
manner.

Microsoft anti-virus was installed, as per organizational standards.

Unfortunately, there is also an organizational standard to install the
"Kbox" inventory control client (and SCCM client), but it isn't apparent
that that would be a problem with JAWS. I do not have direct contact
with vendor support.

One visually impaired consultant who is a accessibility tech expert
provided guidance: Only AMD/ATI video cards should be used with JAWS, at
specific "standard, native" screen resolutions (1280 x 1024?).

Lots of stuff could have gone wrong. If the product is so fragile that
some subtle hardware or driver install-order issue (or whatever else
short of supernatural forces) causes it to not work correctly on some
hardware, or in some software configurations, in a professional IT shop,
then there is something very wrong with the product. If that is the
case, the vendor should only support their product on "certified"
hardware. Which would be a VAST RELIEF to most local IT support people
in organizations who would then be able to write up procurement
justifications for more expensive, vendor solutions that ACTUALLY WORK.

I have seen miserable results from multiple consultants/experts/vendors
for 20+ years in the accessible tech industry, including some awful
scams and pathetic bureaucracy.

The vendor has published tech support documentation that admits that
JAWS does not properly support attachment viewing in Outlook 2010.
Several months ago on this list, the exact symptoms: inconsistent
viewing experience of email message bodies by JAWS -- were reported by
several other customers (see list archives).

I'm a sighted technician, and I saw the product failure over and over
for many months and heard complaints and frustration from a visually
impaired user who had to endure doing tests of a variety of different
configurations.

The user, a senior disabled advocate, reported hearing much unhappiness
from other leading figures in the disability rights movement at national
conferences.

The architecture is junk and the products are junk. The society is
dysfunctional, the business models are bad and the customers
brainwashed.

Other than that, everything is fine and any other problems are almost
certainly caused purely by "operator error".

Have a nice day.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:52:36 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Farfar and His
Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Ambrose, Pretty Severe, even from my perspective. Someone is having
problems with their setup and it's almost always the setup and not the
human.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:28
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still
didn't work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar
with disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a
concern for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on
hardware from the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with
Outlook 2010, as was documented on this list several months ago.
Attempts to revert to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS
does not seem to work well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least
64 bit. The published response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see
a technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people)
is that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS
Windows, and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility
is "not by design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market
distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if
it does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by
disability lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of
care about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good
products and support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance"
approach, and are more interested in creating the appearance of
accessibility than the reality. This is part of the politically correct
mentality that prevails in the younger generation: more concern with
thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for
accessibility companies are good, caring people (or were at some
point), the organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding
management climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical
choices by business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures
of ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism,
not because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State
Capitalism is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged
system, deeply corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy
and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+
years that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other
accessibility tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy
community, rather the access tech companies (at least screen readers)
are seen as little more than necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company
that has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research
into creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The
answer might be that since no such thing is possible because of
fundamental flaws in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want
the bad "PR" and support headaches involved in supporting accessibility
products. They are probably happy that someone else has taken the
market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Outlook 2007 was a pil for a long time--ever since it was installed in
our shop. Switching from JAWS 10 to 13 changed the problems, but did
not eliminate them. Then IT tried going to IE 7--hardly the latest and
greatest--and. . . problem solved! JAWS 13 runs like a top at both home
and work, and Internet apps that drove me to distraction are now
reliable. Had I only known. . . .

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:37 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave, thanks for the excellent insights.

Ambrose,

You seem to have imagined that I said that JAWS never works for anybody,
ever.

What I was actually reporting was a specific set of problems, and
attempts at solving them, in a specific place, with a specific JAWS site
license, under specific circumstances.

The reality is that DOS/Windows was never designed to do something as
weird as install a screen reader "driver". Doing such things is nothing
but an inelegant kludge from an engineering perspective, and is just
asking for trouble.

The lack of industry standards for accessible technology is appalling,
as are all the bureaucrats that collect fat checks while telling
everyone that AT products are "so cool". The sociological myth
structures that have been built up are largely a feature of distorted
market dynamics and unspoken institutional fear of disability lawyers.
Lots of people are in on the scam, the vendors simply attempt to satisfy
the resulting business demand on a cr*ppy architecture.

The error was seen on multiple models of Dell business class machines,
with various different methods of installing Windows 7 "Ultimate"
(Enterprise), 64 bit. Windows was hand installed from .ISO media. Then
it was installed from an industrial strength network imaging platform
(Altiris). Central computing has some undocumented "security" features
that are mandatory, so we have to live with that.

Extreme care was taken to install Windows 7 in as "bare metal" a manner
as possible, including taking excruciating pains to install Dell
hardware drivers exactly according to manufacturer's instructions.

Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 were installed in a completely standard
manner.

Microsoft anti-virus was installed, as per organizational standards.

Unfortunately, there is also an organizational standard to install the
"Kbox" inventory control client (and SCCM client), but it isn't apparent
that that would be a problem with JAWS. I do not have direct contact
with vendor support.

One visually impaired consultant who is a accessibility tech expert
provided guidance: Only AMD/ATI video cards should be used with JAWS, at
specific "standard, native" screen resolutions (1280 x 1024?).

Lots of stuff could have gone wrong. If the product is so fragile that
some subtle hardware or driver install-order issue (or whatever else
short of supernatural forces) causes it to not work correctly on some
hardware, or in some software configurations, in a professional IT shop,
then there is something very wrong with the product. If that is the
case, the vendor should only support their product on "certified"
hardware. Which would be a VAST RELIEF to most local IT support people
in organizations who would then be able to write up procurement
justifications for more expensive, vendor solutions that ACTUALLY WORK.

I have seen miserable results from multiple consultants/experts/vendors
for 20+ years in the accessible tech industry, including some awful
scams and pathetic bureaucracy.

The vendor has published tech support documentation that admits that
JAWS does not properly support attachment viewing in Outlook 2010.
Several months ago on this list, the exact symptoms: inconsistent
viewing experience of email message bodies by JAWS -- were reported by
several other customers (see list archives).

I'm a sighted technician, and I saw the product failure over and over
for many months and heard complaints and frustration from a visually
impaired user who had to endure doing tests of a variety of different
configurations.

The user, a senior disabled advocate, reported hearing much unhappiness
from other leading figures in the disability rights movement at national
conferences.

The architecture is junk and the products are junk. The society is
dysfunctional, the business models are bad and the customers
brainwashed.

Other than that, everything is fine and any other problems are almost
certainly caused purely by "operator error".

Have a nice day.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:52:36 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Farfar and His
Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Ambrose, Pretty Severe, even from my perspective. Someone is having
problems with their setup and it's almost always the setup and not the
human.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:28
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still
didn't work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar
with disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a
concern for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on
hardware from the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with
Outlook 2010, as was documented on this list several months ago.
Attempts to revert to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS
does not seem to work well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least
64 bit. The published response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see
a technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people)
is that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS
Windows, and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility
is "not by design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market
distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if
it does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by
disability lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of
care about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good
products and support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance"
approach, and are more interested in creating the appearance of
accessibility than the reality. This is part of the politically correct
mentality that prevails in the younger generation: more concern with
thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for
accessibility companies are good, caring people (or were at some
point), the organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding
management climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical
choices by business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures
of ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism,
not because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State
Capitalism is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged
system, deeply corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy
and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+
years that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other
accessibility tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy
community, rather the access tech companies (at least screen readers)
are seen as little more than necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company
that has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research
into creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The
answer might be that since no such thing is possible because of
fundamental flaws in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want
the bad "PR" and support headaches involved in supporting accessibility
products. They are probably happy that someone else has taken the
market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010

Dave...
 

Jim,

I think it's in the options, under composing.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:38
Subject: Fw: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010



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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010


I've transferred my Address Book from Outlook Express to Outlook 2010. I'm
using Windows 7 and Jaws 13. Can someone explain how to get the old
contacts to automatically fill into the To Field, if possible?
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Jim Ronald
 

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Subject: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010


I've transferred my Address Book from Outlook Express to Outlook 2010. I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 13. Can someone explain how to get the old contacts to automatically fill into the To Field, if possible?
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Re: Problems reading a Word document

Dave...
 

Denise,

First, what version of Word, what version of JAWS? Have you tried unloading
and reloading JAWS to see if it clears?


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 05:35
Subject: Problems reading a Word document


The computer has started saying “down arrow” or “up arrow” etc., rather than
reading the actual Word document. Can you help me figure out what I need to
do? Is there a change of settings I need to make in Word? In JAWS?

Thanks for any help.




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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Adrian Spratt
 

Freedom Scientific was purchased in 2007 by Wafra, a private capital firm
with an address in New York city and registration in Kuwait. From what I can
find on Google, this is FS's latest change in ownership. At the time Fs
sued GW Micro, there were some xenophobic online references to Wafra being
Korean, which might be true (I can't tell) and even North Korean, which
isn't plausible.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I believe they are owned by a korean capital investment firm. At least
that was the case just a couple of years ago.

Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of deadcatbounce
Sent: February 4, 2012 1:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it make
on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets
where the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate in price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on those
who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this geometrically,
but that's a little beyond the purpose of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility
for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition
with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed,
rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is less
in third world countries than is the case here. So, firms often
believe that for every one legitimate copy of a product sold into a
third world country, ten illegal copies will be made. So, the price
is adjusted accordingly. The effect of the piracy is to increase
the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in
the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community.
I say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly
do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged
for a product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs
to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the employees earn in
salary, what it costs to rent the building, what the next version
will need for development, etc.; all divided by the number of
copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows
or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users
so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy.
Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


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From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had
no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for
our young daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep
actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route of
theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my family
financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of
the program easily and legally for as long as you like (to my
understanding) with free upgrades and all, but apparently the
frequent restarting of the computer is too inconvenient for you,
so you therefore need to steal the product and brag about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product is still being paid for. The issue is that the company and
PEOPLE who develop and support the product also have to get paid
for their efforts. At a certain point, be it Freedom Scientific
or Microsoft, if enough people are stealing their products they'll
just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of
business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy
who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Problems reading a Word document

Denise Smith <dsmith@...>
 

The computer has started saying “down arrow” or “up arrow” etc., rather than reading the actual Word document. Can you help me figure out what I need to do? Is there a change of settings I need to make in Word? In JAWS?

Thanks for any help.




Denise Smith

Department Manager

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York Technical College

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Contacting James the admin

Allen Stutts <astutts@...>
 

For someone who already has a Twitter account I see on his web site that james has been active on Twitter. Perhaps someone could contact him to get him to start monitoring the list again or hand it to someone who is able to. His web site is:

www.the-jdh.com

Click on the Contact link to find his Twitter account.


Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I took my last degree in 1982, just as the computer revolution was
gathering steam. I began using them on a daily basis in 1986, while
teaching at University of Louisville. No, I certainly would not want to
go back, but, on the whole, I agree with Sandy. I appreciate what I now
have precisely because I remember when it wasn't around.

As for underwriting devices for developing nations, it's been done with
computers, it's been done with shortwave radios, and it's a pretty good
idea overall. The right to uncensored international news may or may not
be a basic human right, but those FreePlay radios are jumping off the
shelves.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of sandy stegmayer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I
completged much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath
the time I worked as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It
wasn't easy and it took more time for me to complete tasks than my
sighted peers but I did it. As I told my students, life isn't, not will
it ever be, fair and if you want to succeed you need to put out the
extra effort to be/do what you want.
Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning
people to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the
happiest and most productive are those who have been responsible for
themselves and have worked hard with the opportunities they have had...
and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts
have taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And
as for pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that
is breaking the law and there sould be some sort of negative
consequences.

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't
it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was
a way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into
markets where the company makes money currently, to undercut the
price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in
its current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the
writing is on the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on
the disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on
those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion
on this very list points out the problem. It is generally
believed, rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules
and laws is less in third world countries than is the case here.
So, firms often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a
product sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will
be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal
food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community.
I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for
the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in
say the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop,
what it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support
list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I
have the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I
keep actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route
of theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my
family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems
really foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a
demo copy of the program easily and legally for as long as you
like (to my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but
apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the
product and brag about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if
I don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out
of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject:
Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Richard Benoit
 

Is this still the JAWS list?

On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, John Vernaleken wrote:

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe

Dave...
 

Why?

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 19:12
Subject: Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe


Dear all,

I am trying to subscribe to the blind adults mailing list.

I keep getting undelivered messages. Is anyone a member and can you
tell me where I can subscribe?

Wog

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Dave...
 

Charles,

Appreciate your vote of confidence, but no, I'd probably kick everyone off
in reverse alphabetical order, or worse yet, moderate myself.

I'm too anal to be a moderate-or.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 19:26
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Dave,

Why not, you might be a very good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar at Home
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles,

Well, you sure don't want me to be the moderator.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:11
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles Coe
 

Dave,

Why not, you might be a very good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar at Home
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles,

Well, you sure don't want me to be the moderator.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:11
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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issues not particular to JFW or its interactions with other programs. To
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Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Dear all,

I am trying to subscribe to the blind adults mailing list.

I keep getting undelivered messages. Is anyone a member and can you
tell me where I can subscribe?

Wog