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Re: Another key combination question

Adrian Spratt
 

No, there's no cautionary message. JAWS just vanishes. But as you say,
bringing JAWS back isn't a problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of deadcatbounce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Another key combination question

Could it be that that particular key combination bypasses the question about
"Are you sure you want to quit JAWS" and it turns off JAWS immediately? If
you have JAWS set to a hot key it shouldn't be any problem bringing it up
again, I'd think.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Another key combination question


Dondi and the list,

I was tempted to suggest that you find out by invoking the key
identifier with insert-1 on the number row above the letters. However,
I just tried it, and JAWS shut down. It's the first key combination
I've tested that works even in this mode.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:53 PM
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a
key combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this
email anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this
combination, to see if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer
basically locked up and became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what
this is and what it does? I can tell it does something, but what this
is I don't know.



Dondi

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Re: Another key combination question

epierce@...
 

I googled "Insert+Windows+F4" and found the following archive from this email list:

"JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4"

"When Jaws freezes, i.e. Jaws key + F4 does not quit, I try the Jaws key
+ windows + F4 to force Jaws to exit. "

Here is the entire message (long):

http://www.freelists.org/post/jfw/JAWS-System-Dump-File-from-InsertWindowsF4-Where-to-find-it

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:59:22 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com>)
Subject: Re: Another key combination question
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Could it be that that particular key combination bypasses the question about
"Are you sure you want to quit JAWS" and it turns off JAWS immediately? If
you have JAWS set to a hot key it shouldn't be any problem bringing it up
again, I'd think.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Another key combination question


Dondi and the list,

I was tempted to suggest that you find out by invoking the key identifier
with insert-1 on the number row above the letters. However, I just tried
it,
and JAWS shut down. It's the first key combination I've tested that works
even in this mode.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:53 PM
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to
see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I
can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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Re: Another key combination question

deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
 

Could it be that that particular key combination bypasses the question about "Are you sure you want to quit JAWS" and it turns off JAWS immediately? If you have JAWS set to a hot key it shouldn't be any problem bringing it up again, I'd think.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Another key combination question


Dondi and the list,

I was tempted to suggest that you find out by invoking the key identifier
with insert-1 on the number row above the letters. However, I just tried it,
and JAWS shut down. It's the first key combination I've tested that works
even in this mode.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:53 PM
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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volume

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

Hi,How do I pin volume to the task next to IE, window media player? Using jaws 13, window home 64.

Holger Fiallo
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Re: Another key combination question

Adrian Spratt
 

Dondi and the list,

I was tempted to suggest that you find out by invoking the key identifier
with insert-1 on the number row above the letters. However, I just tried it,
and JAWS shut down. It's the first key combination I've tested that works
even in this mode.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:53 PM
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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Re: Another key combination question

George B
 

It shuts down jaws

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 13:53
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a
key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination,
to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does?
I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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Outlook 2010 search and JAWS 13

Dondi
 

Hi Everyone,



Is a search in Outlook 2010 with JAWS 13.0.718 even possible? I can't get to
any results and I'm not even sure if a search has even happened. When I tab
from the search edit box after pressing enter I go to a close the search
button. If I turn on the JAWS cursor I can arrow around and I hear what
sound like many search options but how I turn these on I have no idea. Does
anyone have a working procedure of how to do this?



Dondi

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Re: Another key combination question

naboukhad nassr
 

Hello. Insert + windows key + F4 turns off JAWS. This is useful when JAWS is not responding and is not speaking. This turns it off and you can turn it on after some seconds.

On 2/11/2012 11:58 PM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
I have not tried this; however, remember that insert plus F-4 turns off JAWS.
So, you may have simply turned off speech.


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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:53 PM
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Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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Re: Another key combination question

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I have not tried this; however, remember that insert plus F-4 turns off JAWS.
So, you may have simply turned off speech.

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Subject: Another key combination question

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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Does anyone know if Comodo Antivirus is accessible with Jaws?

Thanks.

Jean


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Another key combination question

Dondi
 

Hi Everyone,



Early this morning I briefly saw a email that said something about a key
combination of insert+windows+F4. Of course now I can't find this email
anymore. And when I turned on keyboard help and did this combination, to see
if JAWS could tell me what this did my computer basically locked up and
became unresponsive. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? I can
tell it does something, but what this is I don't know.



Dondi

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admin: close this discussion: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

Shane Davidson <shane@...>
 

James hasn't officially welcomed me to the admin team of this list, but I
am now apart of this lists administration, so, This topic is closed, as it
has nothing to do with JAWS or it's operation, please take this either to
viphone, or to a more generalized technical discussion list such as
blindtech
Further discussion of this topic will result in the offender or offenders
being immediately moderated for a time to be determined by this lists
administration.
thank you,
Shane Davidson
List moderator.

On Sat, February 11, 2012 2:12 pm, Tony wrote:
I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new
facility and hopefully there won't be a long wait.

My KNFB
Reader had gotten to the point the Nokia was unstable and resetting it
self
frequently. I somehow managed to leave it in the waiting area of the
Pulminary Clinic a couple of weeks ago. I missed it before we left the
hospital but couldn't find it. No one tried to use it so I didn't lose
the
money I had on my Go Phone account.

I've heard you can cut down the SIM card from a prepaid cell service and
use
it in the Iphone on a prepaid account. Hope that is true.

We probably should keep in touch about training at the different centers.

Tony

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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it.
'John


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[Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

epierce@...
 

---- Original message ----
John,

The initial "Tablet/Smartphone" version of Office "15" in Windows 8 does not have Outlook.

Please note that the discussion is about a BETA version of Windows 8/Office "15".

Windows 8 will have "native" email/calendar apps. So, anyone that uses Windows 8 will not have to get Office "15" for email, they can just use the built-in Microsoft version of the email/calendar "app".

See the following web page for details on Win8 apps:

http://www.theverge.com/microsoft/2012/2/8/2784252/windows-8-consumer-preview-applications

If you are planning on running Office "15" on a standard Windows desktop (Windows 7 or Windows 8), Outlook "15" should be included, but I can't cite any sources at this time.

HTH!

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:03:19 -0800
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
To: <epierce@surewest.net>

So the new office might not include Outlook? That would be a really dumb
move on their part.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: epierce@surewest.net [mailto:epierce@surewest.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

re: Crazy names for software

Short answer:

Microsoft Office 2010 = Office "14", and Office "15" will come out later in
2012. It might be called Office 2012 or 2013.
...


Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
 

I had no training except what I could read in the book and figure out, for
the first few days I wanted my old phone back but now my iPhone is with me
whenever I leave home. Lots of great apps and iTunes works fairly well with
Jaws, I don't have any scripts applied at this time.


Rose Combs
rosecombs@Q.com

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On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it.
'John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:02 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

Where are you going to train for the iphone?

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

No kidding. I thought it was just me. Yes, that object API for Office really
can cause some issues since it is used almost completely free of jaws
scripting alone.
I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is
there even an office 2012? If so, I'm ordering it from the V.A. I get these
kinds of things free since they cater towards me. I just have to call a
million times and bug them until they are tired of dealing with me. I have a
lousy VIST coordinator. She is supposed to send me back up to Palo Alto, Ca
to train for the iPhone. Anyway, I digress...
I think they are using delays without allowing the program to perform tasks
in the background. Like a Delay(10,0) makes it so everything on the system
stop processing while jaws catches up, and a Delay(10, 1) allows background
applications to continue its processing. Wish they would put in a safety in
there so you don't end up in a constant loop of waiting. My JAWS sometimes
does not recover and I have to tell my wife to click the close outlook
button after it puts up that non responsive dialog window. I think I should
complain to freedom scientific about this. Either that or hope office 2012
is out there and will be better with JAWS 13.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in His Cups
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

John,

I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes
pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading
finally closes. Happens once or twice a day, so not very often. It's not a
crash in this situation.

However I have noticed that JAWS will lock up once in a while in the
calendar if I try to move through dates too quickly, or have just made a
change to an appointment.

This crash requires that I use the Insert+Windows+F4 keystroke, and even
also launching Narrator before I can break the jam.

So I do see what you're experiencing, but not as often.

It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's
going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the
object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does
not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I
think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of
memory where it isn't welcome.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 22:27
Subject: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue


Hi all,
I have tried this in both JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 and it seems that Outlook 2010
crashes quite frequently and locks up JAWS. There seems to be many delays in
the program that cause it to lock up, like sloppy coding for example.
Whenever I reply to a message or start a new one, or just read emails,
Outlook just locks up and I get a long delay followed by JAWS locking up.
Sometimes if I wait long enough and alt tab away I can gain control again,
but most of the time the crash message comes up for outlook. I really like
Outlook because of my several profiles to choose from, but it really bugs me
that this issue happens all the time. I haven't reinstalled Office yet, but
I am not sure that will help. I think JAWS is doing something to lock up
outlook.
Anyone having these kinds of issues with Outlook 2010?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
John Martyn


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Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

epierce@...
 

John,

I'm a sighted technician and labor activist (public sector). I've seen major problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 and JAWS 10, 11 and 12 that negatively impact worker productivity. We are going to test JAWS 13 in a month or so, but from what you have said, I'm not hopeful for big improvements. I do have some information about Outlook 2010/JAWS problems being related to how Outlook uses Word and its HTML engine.

Hey Dave,

Thanks for sharing your experiences with Outlook and JAWS13.

As you probably know, FS advertises JAWS13 as having improvements in Outlook and Word.

re:
Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the
object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does
not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I
think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of
memory where it isn't welcome.
Do you know of a source of concise documentation/analysis of those issues?

Would simply adding more physical memory help? Such as >4GB RAM in Win7 64-bit?

Thanks!


---- Original message ----
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:06:42 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Farfar in His Cups" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>)
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

John,

I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes
pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading
finally closes.
...

It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's
going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the
object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does
not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I
think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of
memory where it isn't welcome.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7
...


Re: Training on iPhone

Cristóbal
 

As an additional resource, Bookshare has a book called the Missing iPhone 4s
Manual written by David Pogue in their collection. I grabbed it a couple of
weeks before getting the iPhone and it did help me a lot. That and general
online sources. If you're a Bookshare member, it may be worth it to download
and browse through the book. It's pretty complete and well structured if you
want to read it in FSReader or some other Daisy program.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:12 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new
facility and hopefully there won't be a long wait.

My KNFB
Reader had gotten to the point the Nokia was unstable and resetting it self
frequently. I somehow managed to leave it in the waiting area of the
Pulminary Clinic a couple of weeks ago. I missed it before we left the
hospital but couldn't find it. No one tried to use it so I didn't lose the
money I had on my Go Phone account.

I've heard you can cut down the SIM card from a prepaid cell service and use
it in the Iphone on a prepaid account. Hope that is true.

We probably should keep in touch about training at the different centers.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it.
'John


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Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

epierce@...
 

re: Crazy names for software

Short answer:

Microsoft Office 2010 = Office "14", and Office "15" will come out later in 2012. It might be called Office 2012 or 2013.

Long answer:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/windows-8-analysis-one-thing-right-and-two-things-wrong/49909?tag=btxcsim

excerpt:

"Microsoft has always been afraid to offend any of its potential customers, so it typically piles tons of features on top of the existing codebase and ends up with a Frankenstein monster like Microsoft Office."

---end excerpt---

Office 15 might be called Office 2012 if it is released as part of a bundle with Microsoft Windows 8 on "ARM" tablets/smartphones. Otherwise, it might be Office 2013.

Sidenote: ARM refers to 32 bit RISC (simplified) processor chips that consume low power, and are used in smartphones, tablets, etc. (they compete with Intel). Win8 will include the new "Metro" GUI (primarily designed for Tablets/Smartphones), but can also run a Win7 style GUI.

Here is a blog post from a well known computer industry journalist on the topic of Windows 8/ARM and Office 2015:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/getting-touchy-with-office-15-surface-20-and-windows-8/11840

Please note that the "Office 15" that will be released on Windows 8/ARM will not include Outlook. (!)

Some computer industry "experts" have already predicted that they do not think that Microsoft will "do Windows 8 right" (on tablets/smartphones), and that as such, it is the beginning of a slow end for Microsoft's business (monopoly) as we know it. To me, "Metro" looks, superficially, really stupid. (As such, it probably reflects how MS executives think of their customers.) Its like the "Ribbon" on steroids.

As consumers move to alternate products such as iPad and Android, developers will no longer be dependent on the Microsoft "ecosystem". Eventually most of Microsoft's "cash cow" business will go away in the consumer area, leaving only "enterprise" infrastructure software, such as servers. Microsoft is attempting to make a big move into "cloud computing" also.

Microsoft Office will be one of the main battlegrounds in the upcoming industry wars. Microsoft's strengths and weaknesses will be revealed and become critical.

High geek culture at MS became repulsive posturing when Bill Gates departed?

In my opinion, all of the bad karma and creepiness associated with Microsoft's bad business practices (and junk architecture) for 20+ years will probably come back to bite them in the posterior. Finally. At best, Microsoft might eventually evolve into something like IBM: a formerly dominant company that re-focused on core competency in the enterprise. The difference is that IBM always had high quality (elite market), and Microsoft has always been about mediocrity (mass market). So, perhaps Microsoft will become another Novell.

Also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office

excerpt:

Microsoft Office 15 is reportedly in Build 15.0.2703.1000 (version 15), and has reached Milestone 2. It sports a revamped application interface; the interface is based on Metro Design Language, the interface of Windows Media Center and Windows Phone. Microsoft Outlook has received the most pronounced changes so far; for example, the Metro interface enables users to have access to a new visualization for scheduled tasks. PowerPoint will include more templates and transition effects, and OneNote a new splash screen.[24] On May 16, 2011, new images of Office 15 were revealed, showing Excel with a tool for filtering data in a timeline, the ability to convert Roman numerals to Arabic numerals, and the integration of advanced trigonometric functions. In Word, the capability of inserting video and audio online as well as the broadcasting of documents on the Web were implemented. Microsoft has promised support for Open Office XML Strict starting with version 15, a format Microsoft ha
s!
submitted to the ISO for interoperability with other office suites, and to aid adoption in the public sector.

---end excerpt---

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:46:41 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>)
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is
there even an office 2012?
...


Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

Tony
 

I just finished my paperwork to go to Baloxi for the Iphone. It's a new
facility and hopefully there won't be a long wait.

My KNFB
Reader had gotten to the point the Nokia was unstable and resetting it self
frequently. I somehow managed to leave it in the waiting area of the
Pulminary Clinic a couple of weeks ago. I missed it before we left the
hospital but couldn't find it. No one tried to use it so I didn't lose the
money I had on my Go Phone account.

I've heard you can cut down the SIM card from a prepaid cell service and use
it in the Iphone on a prepaid account. Hope that is true.

We probably should keep in touch about training at the different centers.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it.
'John


Re: research it

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

did so, my point is that they needed to fixed it and wait before new jfw was release. I have google in my default search in my IE

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:34 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research it

try google!

At 01:24 PM 2/11/2012, you wrote:
I tried to do a pizza search using research it, the business search seem not to work. Sad that jfw could not fix it before the new came out on February.

Holger Fiallo
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Re: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

Drew Hunthausen
 

Awesome, I'm sure it will really help to have hands on training.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Training on iPhone was outlook crashing

I am going up to Palo alto, Ca next to San Jose. The Veterans have a Blind
Rehab Center up there and they are doing the training for it.
'John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:02 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

Where are you going to train for the iphone?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

No kidding. I thought it was just me. Yes, that object API for Office really
can cause some issues since it is used almost completely free of jaws
scripting alone.
I wonder if office 2012 would be better for me. I haven't kept track, but is
there even an office 2012? If so, I'm ordering it from the V.A. I get these
kinds of things free since they cater towards me. I just have to call a
million times and bug them until they are tired of dealing with me. I have a
lousy VIST coordinator. She is supposed to send me back up to Palo Alto, Ca
to train for the iPhone. Anyway, I digress...
I think they are using delays without allowing the program to perform tasks
in the background. Like a Delay(10,0) makes it so everything on the system
stop processing while jaws catches up, and a Delay(10, 1) allows background
applications to continue its processing. Wish they would put in a safety in
there so you don't end up in a constant loop of waiting. My JAWS sometimes
does not recover and I have to tell my wife to click the close outlook
button after it puts up that non responsive dialog window. I think I should
complain to freedom scientific about this. Either that or hope office 2012
is out there and will be better with JAWS 13.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in His Cups
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue

John,

I'm using Outlook 2007 and notice that JAWS 13 (on Windows 7) sometimes
pauses for a period of 20 or so seconds and then the message I was reading
finally closes. Happens once or twice a day, so not very often. It's not a
crash in this situation.

However I have noticed that JAWS will lock up once in a while in the
calendar if I try to move through dates too quickly, or have just made a
change to an appointment.

This crash requires that I use the Insert+Windows+F4 keystroke, and even
also launching Narrator before I can break the jam.

So I do see what you're experiencing, but not as often.

It sucks, but I'm just hoping that over time, FS will figure out what's
going on and fix it. Frankly I think there's a memory overlap with the
object model and system memory. As long as the object model clears and does
not "leak" it stays away from system memory. I'm no expert, but somehow I
think JAWS has become such a memory hog that it's encroaching on areas of
memory where it isn't welcome.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 22:27
Subject: [Bulk] Microsoft Outlook 2010 crashing issue


Hi all,
I have tried this in both JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 and it seems that Outlook 2010
crashes quite frequently and locks up JAWS. There seems to be many delays in
the program that cause it to lock up, like sloppy coding for example.
Whenever I reply to a message or start a new one, or just read emails,
Outlook just locks up and I get a long delay followed by JAWS locking up.
Sometimes if I wait long enough and alt tab away I can gain control again,
but most of the time the crash message comes up for outlook. I really like
Outlook because of my several profiles to choose from, but it really bugs me
that this issue happens all the time. I haven't reinstalled Office yet, but
I am not sure that will help. I think JAWS is doing something to lock up
outlook.
Anyone having these kinds of issues with Outlook 2010?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
John Martyn


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