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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

When talking about independence it's not a less or more concept. There are
different levels of the same idea. A blind person can be totally
independent in their home, hold down a full time job and be a great friend
but might not be as adept at technology as many of their peers. You can
make the same statement about any two individuals in the world. You're a
very independent person but others might be equally independent with
different talents or skills. JB

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:34 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Of course, and I don't want to force anyone into my mold. Some folks prefer
less independence than I do, or minimal independence. It's all about their
comfort level. I have an advantage that I've got a fairly diverse tech
background, so it's made it easier for me to adapt to the various changes in
technology as they come about than some other folks. My dad has worked with
computers longer than I have, but he is certain that he's going to
completely mess everything up every time he touches the machine. So I've got
plenty of exposure to that perspective, and he's sighted, so there's not the
additional confounding factor of vision loss in his case.
We live in a diverse world, and that's wonderful because it's filled with
diverse people.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith
Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole, There are different levels of independence. I'm very
independent, but as you have probably perceived I'm not a tecky. I
can write articles on many topics, speak in front of groups, am a
fabulous cook and my grandchildren love me. I admire your
independence, but as you mentioned one size doesn't fit all, even when
talking about something as apparently simple as the concept of
independence. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

I have a lot of respect for mr. Wonder, and what I said was never
meant as derogatory. But he isn't an independent person, he pays folks
to do things for me, and I wouldn't be comfortable with myself.
Independence is important, and if I had the money I still wouldn't pay
someone to do things for me -- I'd pay them to create scripts,
programs, and other tools so that I could do it myself, and so other
folks could do it for themselves as well.
His method works for him, to a very high degree. But one size doesn't
fit all, or even most.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they
are
run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem
to me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic
self sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing.
There seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president
by the black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet,
when
a blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we
always invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder
expression.
In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation
wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted
people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind
people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way.
Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which
were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we
would tap in to business opportunities when presented with them.
We've seen blind people introduced to such opportunities and
refuse to attempt
to
create financial independence for their families and themselves.
Then they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology,
enroll
in top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright
future for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society
doesn't tell them to reject such opportunities. They do it to
themselves. A little OT but food for thought since the subject of
affording the cost of access technology comes up on this list
frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I
am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to
pay for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your
instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the
obstacles his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its
significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience
teachers
if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other
option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in
the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract
often becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as
though
Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution
waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course
now,
it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as
problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first
appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you
can to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the
school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit
from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help
them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably
make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't
do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to
do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do
any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I
cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable
with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

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From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"
<jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a
while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream,
because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you
were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at
FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make
sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's
not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might
be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it,
but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On
Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for
MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On
Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this
email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming
fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has
any
of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm
worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Of course, and I don't want to force anyone into my mold. Some folks prefer
less independence than I do, or minimal independence. It's all about their
comfort level. I have an advantage that I've got a fairly diverse tech
background, so it's made it easier for me to adapt to the various changes in
technology as they come about than some other folks. My dad has worked with
computers longer than I have, but he is certain that he's going to
completely mess everything up every time he touches the machine. So I've got
plenty of exposure to that perspective, and he's sighted, so there's not the
additional confounding factor of vision loss in his case.
We live in a diverse world, and that's wonderful because it's filled with
diverse people.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith
Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole, There are different levels of independence. I'm very
independent, but as you have probably perceived I'm not a tecky. I can
write articles on many topics, speak in front of groups, am a fabulous
cook and my grandchildren love me. I admire your independence, but as
you mentioned one size doesn't fit all, even when talking about
something as apparently simple as the concept of independence. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

I have a lot of respect for mr. Wonder, and what I said was never meant
as derogatory. But he isn't an independent person, he pays folks to do
things for me, and I wouldn't be comfortable with myself. Independence
is important, and if I had the money I still wouldn't pay someone to do
things for me -- I'd pay them to create scripts, programs, and other
tools so that I could do it myself, and so other folks could do it for
themselves as well.
His method works for him, to a very high degree. But one size doesn't
fit all, or even most.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they
are
run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem
to me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self
sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing.
There seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president by
the black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet,
when
a blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we
always invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder
expression.
In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation
wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted
people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind
people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way.
Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which
were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would
tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've
seen blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to
attempt
to
create financial independence for their families and themselves.
Then they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology,
enroll
in top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright
future for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society
doesn't tell them to reject such opportunities. They do it to
themselves. A little OT but food for thought since the subject of
affording the cost of access technology comes up on this list
frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I
am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to
pay for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your
instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles
his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its
significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers
if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other
option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in
the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract
often becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as
though
Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution
waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now,
it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as
problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first
appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you
can to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the
school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit
from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help
them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably
make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do
like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to
do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do
any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I
cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable
with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a
while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream,
because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you
were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at
FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make
sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's
not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might
be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it,
but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On
Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On
Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this
email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming
fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any
of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

Nicole, There are different levels of independence. I'm very independent,
but as you have probably perceived I'm not a tecky. I can write articles on
many topics, speak in front of groups, am a fabulous cook and my
grandchildren love me. I admire your independence, but as you mentioned one
size doesn't fit all, even when talking about something as apparently simple
as the concept of independence. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

I have a lot of respect for mr. Wonder, and what I said was never meant as
derogatory. But he isn't an independent person, he pays folks to do things
for me, and I wouldn't be comfortable with myself. Independence is
important, and if I had the money I still wouldn't pay someone to do things
for me -- I'd pay them to create scripts, programs, and other tools so that
I could do it myself, and so other folks could do it for themselves as well.
His method works for him, to a very high degree. But one size doesn't fit
all, or even most.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are
run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem
to me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self
sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing.
There seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president by
the black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet, when
a blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we
always invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder
expression.
In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation
wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted
people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind
people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way.
Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which
were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would
tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've
seen blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to
attempt
to
create financial independence for their families and themselves.
Then they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll
in top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright
future for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society
doesn't tell them to reject such opportunities. They do it to
themselves. A little OT but food for thought since the subject of
affording the cost of access technology comes up on this list
frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I
am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to
pay for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your
instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles
his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers
if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in
the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract
often becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as
though
Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now,
it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as
problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first
appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you
can to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the
school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit
from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help
them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably
make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do
like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I
cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a
while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream,
because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you
were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at
FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make
sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's
not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might
be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it,
but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this
email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming
fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any
of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

I have a lot of respect for mr. Wonder, and what I said was never meant as
derogatory. But he isn't an independent person, he pays folks to do things
for me, and I wouldn't be comfortable with myself. Independence is
important, and if I had the money I still wouldn't pay someone to do things
for me -- I'd pay them to create scripts, programs, and other tools so that
I could do it myself, and so other folks could do it for themselves as well.
His method works for him, to a very high degree. But one size doesn't fit
all, or even most.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are
run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem to
me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self
sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing. There
seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president by the
black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet, when a
blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we always
invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder expression.
In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation
wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted
people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind
people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way.
Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which
were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would
tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen
blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt
to
create financial independence for their families and themselves. Then
they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll in
top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future
for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell
them to reject such opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little
OT but food for thought since the subject of affording the cost of
access technology comes up on this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I
am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay
for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your
instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles
his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers
if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though
Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now,
it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first
appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can
to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit
from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help
them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably
make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do
like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I
cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream,
because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you
were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure
it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's
not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be
a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it,
but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this
email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming
fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any
of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Agreed. Braille isn't an option for me as I spent too many years banging on
hand drums, so my pressure sensitivity in my fingertips was shot long before
I lost my sight. Technology is what makes so much possible for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith
Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain in the mind before being transferred to a document or the
listening audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black
and white and edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without
this marvelous software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened a world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in
graduate school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the
outline would probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood
left over to build a picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled
us to contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just
about the time the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a
project and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be
amazed at the results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am
probably considered a throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to
just get the job correctly done in the quickest and most cost effective
manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked
quite effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same
time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has
a hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his
blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can
to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make
a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure
it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Question about Textboxes

Lisa Larges
 

Hi All,

I'm using Windows 7, JAWS 14 and Word 2010.

Today at work I had to put together table tents. A table tent is a piece of
paper or card stock that is folded in the middle so that it can sit on a
table like a tent, with the two sides facing up and out at a 45 degree
angle; placecards, for instance are often done this way.

In any case, I was putting together table tents that had writing on both
sides. Therefore, in order to be read correctly when folded and placed on
the table, one block of text has to be flipped upside down, so that the top
of the text is at the fold on each side.

Through some googling I learned that I could create a textbox, put the text
in the textbox, hide the border, and and then select text direction on the
format menu that appears when you are working with textboxes.But, under text
direction I only found "horizontal" "90degrees" and "270degrees." Clearly,
the 90 and 270 options turn the text to a right angle, so I tried the
"horizontal" option, but, when I printed out the document, my text was still
right side up.

Testing the 90 and 270 options and printing yielded the text correctly set
at right angles.

But, try as I might, I couldn't get the text to flip 180 dgs.

I also tried creating a table to see if I could manipulate a cell, or the
text within a cell, but that didn't work either.



Finally, a sighted colleague helped me by using the mouse of course.

So, if any one nows how to flip text 180 degrees using JAWS or some other
screen reader, I'd love to know the steps.

Thanks!



Lisa



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Re: scripting Microsoft Project 2013

Dave...
 

John,
MS project is usually a completely separate package from the office suite. Requires a separate license, as well.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 14:52, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...> wrote:

I have not seen this software in the office pro versions. How does one get a
hold of it? Would it be something we could use? I might try scripting it if
it makes the blind population happy.
John Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Snow,

All you can do is to get a copy of the program as early as possible, and
start playing around with it. Figure out any limitations, and discuss with
your professor.

I was able to use it to some degree for my Project Management course, but
could not use all the features that others in my class could. I was forced
to do things the hard way, so to speak.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS was 2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts are not
very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while back, and it
was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because you could
assign
tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads for individuals, and
keep
a clear idea of what deadlines you were facing soon and what had to be
done
to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS were using
it,
and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it was accessible
thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as accessible as it was
because those employees aren't on staff anymore, so the impetus is no
longer
there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a good vector
to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but I've heard that
they
do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email, I'd like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of you used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried because I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Jean <jemenzies@...>
 

If you're asking how to get a plain document instead of the listed templates, just press escape and you will get a blank document.

-----Original Message-----
From: David G. Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: ms word 13

Well, then I think the default template is about as plain as you get, unless
you use Notepad instead.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: ms word 13


I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load
MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know
several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday
be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled
us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a
project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably
considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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scripting Microsoft Project 2013

John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...>
 

I have not seen this software in the office pro versions. How does one get a
hold of it? Would it be something we could use? I might try scripting it if
it makes the blind population happy.
John Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Snow,

All you can do is to get a copy of the program as early as possible, and
start playing around with it. Figure out any limitations, and discuss with
your professor.

I was able to use it to some degree for my Project Management course, but
could not use all the features that others in my class could. I was forced
to do things the hard way, so to speak.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS was 2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts are not
very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while back, and it
was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because you could
assign
tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads for individuals, and
keep
a clear idea of what deadlines you were facing soon and what had to be
done
to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS were using
it,
and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it was accessible
thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as accessible as it was
because those employees aren't on staff anymore, so the impetus is no
longer
there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a good vector
to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but I've heard that
they
do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email, I'd like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of you used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried because I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
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contacts in Outlook 2013

Philip Hall <p.hall.eml1@...>
 

I have tried this on two computers, both with jaws 14 and with jaws 15 beta
in outlook 2013 contacts.

When navigating through the contact list, if I press up or down arrow, it
moves to the contact, and jaws reads it just fine.

However, if I do a say current line, jaws says nothing. If I do a say word,
jaws says blank (that is the word blank) by the way, not a blank line.

Also, my braille display stays blank no matter what I do.

Is there a setting in outlook 2013 I need to set, or is this a jaws
"feature"?



Also, on my students computer, whenever she presses any of the arrow keys in
contacts, jaws keep saying

"use the arrow keys to navigate"

Then is says the contact.

She has jaws set to beginner.

I have almost the exact setup on my computer running as a guest operating
system, and my system doesn't say it.

Anyone have any ideas how to keep her jaws from saying it?



She is using jaws 14 with outlook 2013.



Thanks



Phil



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Re: ms word 13

Dave...
 

Well, then I think the default template is about as plain as you get, unless
you use Notepad instead.

David G. Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: ms word 13


I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load
MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know
several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday
be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled
us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a
project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably
considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Lovette Yewchan <lyewchan@...>
 

I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Dave...
 

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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ms word 13

Lovette Yewchan <lyewchan@...>
 

Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Dave...
 

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

No one is deriding success. I personally, after over 25 years in the blind
community, never heard anyone put down a blind person for being successful.
Sure some people say rotten things about the blind but there are many in the
world who can't say something nice even if you poured a bottle of honey down
their throats. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are run
down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem to me we
would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self sufficiency. I
say, whatever works for someone is a good thing. There seems to be a lot of
loyalty to and support of our president by the black community, regardless
how anyone else might feel. Yet, when a blind person achieves success
either politically or otherwise we always invent names which sound
derogatory as this Stevie wonder expression. In fact if this expression
weren't used on this list its explanation wouldn't have been necessary in
the first place. Even when sighted people want to discourage an idea, or
want to make fun of us blind people they sometimes use his name to make fun
of us in some way. Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the
opportunities which were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would
tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen
blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to
create financial independence for their families and themselves. Then
they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll in
top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future
for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell
them to reject such opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little
OT but food for thought since the subject of affording the cost of
access technology comes up on this list frequently.



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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay
for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles
his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can
to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do
like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure
it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be
a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Angel
 

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem to me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing. There seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president by the black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet, when a blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we always invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder expression. In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way. Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which were available to him.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Harris, Robert <harris.robert@...>
 

And also blindness rehabilitation programs?
I didn't ever know I needed a blindness rehabilitation programs? What is "top Notch".

Job Discriptions change, opportunities are miss matched IE the "great blind typist" or "he's blind what music instrument does he play" and on and on.

JAWS (Job accommodation with speech) remember? Has some obveous limitations but it does slightly equal the table level. Training is great but commands change frequently and so do jobs and it is hard to keep up. Some of us can't stand computers and run from them because of many reasons NOT THEIR FAULT.

In my 27th year of federal service, I've seen us jump from 7 inch Lexitrons to present. This is great but it is also daunting to a community outreach specialist (not computer programmer).

Forgive me please James

Bobby and Prince

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Not everyone in the blind community, like every other person, is going to be successful at something. Some people work like dogs in the sighted world and they can't afford computers, new cars or the latest gadget. Let's not broadbrush those who don't measure up to the financial standards of those who have all the answers. I know many very successful blind people, blind folks who work their heads off and never realized financial security and blind people who just keep trying to do what they do hoping that it will pay off. Technology has played a big role in the handicapped population realizing goals, but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. The blind community is reflective of the community around it. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

Not everyone in the blind community, like every other person, is going to be
successful at something. Some people work like dogs in the sighted world
and they can't afford computers, new cars or the latest gadget. Let's not
broadbrush those who don't measure up to the financial standards of those
who have all the answers. I know many very successful blind people, blind
folks who work their heads off and never realized financial security and
blind people who just keep trying to do what they do hoping that it will pay
off. Technology has played a big role in the handicapped population
realizing goals, but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. The
blind community is reflective of the community around it. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Peter Donahue
 

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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