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Re: scripting Microsoft Project 2013

Dave...
 

John,
MS project is usually a completely separate package from the office suite. Requires a separate license, as well.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 14:52, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...> wrote:

I have not seen this software in the office pro versions. How does one get a
hold of it? Would it be something we could use? I might try scripting it if
it makes the blind population happy.
John Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Snow,

All you can do is to get a copy of the program as early as possible, and
start playing around with it. Figure out any limitations, and discuss with
your professor.

I was able to use it to some degree for my Project Management course, but
could not use all the features that others in my class could. I was forced
to do things the hard way, so to speak.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS was 2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts are not
very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while back, and it
was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because you could
assign
tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads for individuals, and
keep
a clear idea of what deadlines you were facing soon and what had to be
done
to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS were using
it,
and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it was accessible
thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as accessible as it was
because those employees aren't on staff anymore, so the impetus is no
longer
there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a good vector
to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but I've heard that
they
do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email, I'd like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of you used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried because I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Jean <jemenzies@...>
 

If you're asking how to get a plain document instead of the listed templates, just press escape and you will get a blank document.

-----Original Message-----
From: David G. Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: ms word 13

Well, then I think the default template is about as plain as you get, unless
you use Notepad instead.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: ms word 13


I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load
MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know
several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday
be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled
us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a
project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably
considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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scripting Microsoft Project 2013

John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...>
 

I have not seen this software in the office pro versions. How does one get a
hold of it? Would it be something we could use? I might try scripting it if
it makes the blind population happy.
John Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Snow,

All you can do is to get a copy of the program as early as possible, and
start playing around with it. Figure out any limitations, and discuss with
your professor.

I was able to use it to some degree for my Project Management course, but
could not use all the features that others in my class could. I was forced
to do things the hard way, so to speak.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS was 2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts are not
very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while back, and it
was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because you could
assign
tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads for individuals, and
keep
a clear idea of what deadlines you were facing soon and what had to be
done
to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS were using
it,
and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it was accessible
thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as accessible as it was
because those employees aren't on staff anymore, so the impetus is no
longer
there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a good vector
to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but I've heard that
they
do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email, I'd like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of you used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried because I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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contacts in Outlook 2013

Philip Hall <p.hall.eml1@...>
 

I have tried this on two computers, both with jaws 14 and with jaws 15 beta
in outlook 2013 contacts.

When navigating through the contact list, if I press up or down arrow, it
moves to the contact, and jaws reads it just fine.

However, if I do a say current line, jaws says nothing. If I do a say word,
jaws says blank (that is the word blank) by the way, not a blank line.

Also, my braille display stays blank no matter what I do.

Is there a setting in outlook 2013 I need to set, or is this a jaws
"feature"?



Also, on my students computer, whenever she presses any of the arrow keys in
contacts, jaws keep saying

"use the arrow keys to navigate"

Then is says the contact.

She has jaws set to beginner.

I have almost the exact setup on my computer running as a guest operating
system, and my system doesn't say it.

Anyone have any ideas how to keep her jaws from saying it?



She is using jaws 14 with outlook 2013.



Thanks



Phil



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Re: ms word 13

Dave...
 

Well, then I think the default template is about as plain as you get, unless
you use Notepad instead.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: ms word 13


I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load
MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know
several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday
be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled
us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a
project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably
considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Lovette Yewchan <lyewchan@...>
 

I just want the plain document.
Thanks.

On 2013-09-10, at 1:32 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: ms word 13

Dave...
 

Not sure I understand why you would want to. Usually you start with the
default template, and modify it to your liking, then save it as a new
default, or one with a name of your preference.

Not having a template doesn't sound like a good place to start.

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RF Timing and Synchronization
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: ms word 13


Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS
Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual,
resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an
interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that
opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build
a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I
worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the
situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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ms word 13

Lovette Yewchan <lyewchan@...>
 

Is there a way to turn off the options for all the templets when you load MS Word 13?
THanks.
Lovette

On 2013-09-10, at 12:19 PM, David G. Carlson wrote:

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Dave...
 

You may also consider whether you could downgrade to an earlier version,
once you have the license. Earlier versions may work better with the
existing JAWS scripts.
David G. Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES" <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve
a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish,
and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several
of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one
or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines
remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened
a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us
to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the
time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at
the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered
a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product
category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

No one is deriding success. I personally, after over 25 years in the blind
community, never heard anyone put down a blind person for being successful.
Sure some people say rotten things about the blind but there are many in the
world who can't say something nice even if you poured a bottle of honey down
their throats. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are run
down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem to me we
would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self sufficiency. I
say, whatever works for someone is a good thing. There seems to be a lot of
loyalty to and support of our president by the black community, regardless
how anyone else might feel. Yet, when a blind person achieves success
either politically or otherwise we always invent names which sound
derogatory as this Stevie wonder expression. In fact if this expression
weren't used on this list its explanation wouldn't have been necessary in
the first place. Even when sighted people want to discourage an idea, or
want to make fun of us blind people they sometimes use his name to make fun
of us in some way. Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the
opportunities which were available to him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would
tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen
blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to
create financial independence for their families and themselves. Then
they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll in
top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future
for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell
them to reject such opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little
OT but food for thought since the subject of affording the cost of
access technology comes up on this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the
goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am
glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay
for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does
because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles
his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with
Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get
around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can
to help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they
are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make
a case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do
like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any
of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource
loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure
it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on
staff anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be
a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Angel
 

It seems that when a blind person is successful, and achieves they are run down by the blind community for being successful. It would seem to me we would all do well to strive toward the goal of economic self sufficiency. I say, whatever works for someone is a good thing. There seems to be a lot of loyalty to and support of our president by the black community, regardless how anyone else might feel. Yet, when a blind person achieves success either politically or otherwise we always invent names which sound derogatory as this Stevie wonder expression. In fact if this expression weren't used on this list its explanation wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Even when sighted people want to discourage an idea, or want to make fun of us blind people they sometimes use his name to make fun of us in some way. Which one of us wouldn't jump at exploiting the opportunities which were available to him.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Harris, Robert <harris.robert@...>
 

And also blindness rehabilitation programs?
I didn't ever know I needed a blindness rehabilitation programs? What is "top Notch".

Job Discriptions change, opportunities are miss matched IE the "great blind typist" or "he's blind what music instrument does he play" and on and on.

JAWS (Job accommodation with speech) remember? Has some obveous limitations but it does slightly equal the table level. Training is great but commands change frequently and so do jobs and it is hard to keep up. Some of us can't stand computers and run from them because of many reasons NOT THEIR FAULT.

In my 27th year of federal service, I've seen us jump from 7 inch Lexitrons to present. This is great but it is also daunting to a community outreach specialist (not computer programmer).

Forgive me please James

Bobby and Prince

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Not everyone in the blind community, like every other person, is going to be successful at something. Some people work like dogs in the sighted world and they can't afford computers, new cars or the latest gadget. Let's not broadbrush those who don't measure up to the financial standards of those who have all the answers. I know many very successful blind people, blind folks who work their heads off and never realized financial security and blind people who just keep trying to do what they do hoping that it will pay off. Technology has played a big role in the handicapped population realizing goals, but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. The blind community is reflective of the community around it. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

Not everyone in the blind community, like every other person, is going to be
successful at something. Some people work like dogs in the sighted world
and they can't afford computers, new cars or the latest gadget. Let's not
broadbrush those who don't measure up to the financial standards of those
who have all the answers. I know many very successful blind people, blind
folks who work their heads off and never realized financial security and
blind people who just keep trying to do what they do hoping that it will pay
off. Technology has played a big role in the handicapped population
realizing goals, but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. The
blind community is reflective of the community around it. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Peter Donahue
 

Good afternoon everyone,


There are ways many more of us could follow his example if we would tap in
to business opportunities when presented with them. We've seen blind people
introduced to such opportunities and refuse to attempt to create financial
independence for their families and themselves. Then they wonder why they're
unable to buy access technology, enroll in top-notch blindness
rehabilitation programs, insure a bright future for blind children and
youth, the list goes on. Society doesn't tell them to reject such
opportunities. They do it to themselves. A little OT but food for thought
since the subject of affording the cost of access technology comes up on
this list frequently.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013


Thank you for the explanation. It is appreciated. Isn't that the goal for
us all. Stevie Wondering seems to me to be a marvelous thing. I am glad
not to have to worry over accessibility, and to have the funds to pay for
what I feel I can't do myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions.
Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because
he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness
might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's possible
the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do with
this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
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From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not as
accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

MINH-TUYET SNOW JONES <tranthiminhtuyet@...>
 

Thanks everyone for all of your ideas to help me. I'll get the program
as soon as I can and play with it to find out what are the limitations
and discuss them with my Professor. I think it'll be the best I can do
right now.
Once again.
Thank you much.
Smiles
Snow

On 9/10/13, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve a
problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish, and
a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several of
us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface
to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be.
One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one or
two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions. Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Judith, absolutely! Every time I read a manual, convert a manual, resolve a problem at work, do a letter, including envelope, from start to finish, and a hundred other things. It's still something of a thrill. I know several of us learned to type on venerable manual Royals, knowing it was an interface to the outside world, but never dreaming what a tool it would someday be. One of my old pals became a data analyst, and even helped me resolve one or two early problems.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines remain in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened a world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us to contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the time the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at the results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered a throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product category without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions. Stevie doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Amen, brother. What's more, we walked to school in every kind of weather--uphill, both ways. All kidding aside, I've been using the technology daily since 1986--as both a teacher and a public servant--and am not over it yet, even when I complain a bit.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:36 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted,
Good grief fella, when I think of how much easier school would have been with a computer It just boggles my little brain.
Writing a major piece of work using word processor software such as Office and JAWS would have been worlds ahead of using a manual typewriter and not even having white out. (LOLLOLLOLLOL) I graduated high school in 1960 and we didn't even have calculators.
While JAWS does have its share of problems it seems to be considerably better than any of the alternatives.
I attended a mini seminar on JAWS, Magic, Open Book and such and was amazed at what those pieces of software can potentially accomplish.
Students of today have no idea of how much better they have it than we did.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened a world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us to contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the time the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at the results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered a throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product category without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions. Stevie doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because he has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness might introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

judith bron
 

Ted, Adaptive equipment and all written material and speech outlines remain
in the mind before being transferred to a document or the listening
audience. Jaws allows you to put your thoughts into black and white and
edit those thoughts. I couldn't do what I do without this marvelous
software. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions. Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
RF Timing and Synchronization
dgcarlson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
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Re: reading messages in this list

Gary King
 

I hope you are able to get help with your issue, but unless someone else on the list is using the AOL email program, there's probably not much help available.

Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
Subject: reading messages in this list


Hello all, just wonder if there is a way to go from one message to the next
without having to read all of the repeated messages that follow the
question. It is very time consuming as well as finger numbing as the only way I
read it now is by arrowing from one line to another. The "find" function
does not seem to work with this list. I am using the most recent version
of JAWS and windows 7. Thank you, any suggestions are appreciated.

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Re: Microsoft Project 2013

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Ted,
Good grief fella, when I think of how much easier school would have been
with a computer It just boggles my little brain.
Writing a major piece of work using word processor software such as Office
and JAWS would have been worlds ahead of using a manual typewriter and not
even having white out. (LOLLOLLOLLOL)
I graduated high school in 1960 and we didn't even have calculators.
While JAWS does have its share of problems it seems to be considerably
better than any of the alternatives.
I attended a mini seminar on JAWS, Magic, Open Book and such and was amazed
at what those pieces of software can potentially accomplish.
Students of today have no idea of how much better they have it than we did.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Absolutely, and I'd be the last person to knock the technology that opened a
world of possibilities for me. I wish I'd had some of it in graduate
school, but, if I were working on a dissertation now, the outline would
probably still be mostly in my head, with enough wood left over to build a
picket fence.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Ted, make no mistake, software such as Open Book and JAWS have enabled us to
contend with the office memo wars which seem to flourish just about the time
the project heads to the toilet.
If you took the amount of resources devoted to keeping track of a project
and redirected those hours to solving the problem you would be amazed at the
results. (LOLLOLLOL) Of course I do realize that I am probably considered a
throwback to the dinosaur age our task was to just get the job correctly
done in the quickest and most cost effective manner.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Sounds as if you're saying project management software is a product category
without a purpose, and you're probably right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

You know, long before we had these wonderful computerized helpers I worked
for 5 years as Senior Lead Systems Analyst and as such worked quite
effectively as project leader on multiple projects at the same time.
Blindness is not the problem, ability may play some part in the situation.
I honestly think that many of the new fangled computerized methodology
approaches are more of a hendrence than a help.
They take the personal interface out of themix and this is one reason
projects get completely out of whack before anyone notices or even has a
hint that there is a major problem lurking on the horizon.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Paying someone else to navigate for you and follow your instructions. Stevie
doesn't deal with accessibility problems in most of what he does because he
has the money to pay someone to surmount the obstacles his blindness might
introduce.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

What is stevie wondering?
The term sounds rather derogatory to me. Is that its significance?
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I use Office 2007 too, though not Project currently.
I've been there, dealing with a Office of Students with Disabilities
that
seemed to think their mission was to not inconvenience teachers if
at
all
possible. And any assistance the student can provide is always
appreciated
in fixing problems. But if they have to change software
requirements,
have
someone to assist with use of the software, or any other option,
they're
required to do it by federal law, and not some vague point in the
future
either, but in a reasonable time frame. There are ways to get around
it if
you have to, even if you have to "Stevie Wonder" it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Nicole,

You're right in the abstract, and fortunately the abstract often
becomes reality under this law. However, it sounds as though Snow
plans
to take this course now, while the technological solution waits
somewhere in the future. If Snow needs to take the course now, it
is
a
problem calling for self-help solutions.

I hope Snow isn't discouraged from posting questions as problems
occur.
If I'm not mistaken, Dave Carlson uses Office 2007, so it's
possible the current situation isn't as dire as it first appears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Nicole Massey
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Hate to be blunt, but though it's nice of you to do what you can to
help them, it's not actually your problem, it's the school's
problem
to
find an answer. You're not the one with an 805J problem, they are,
so
they're going to have to figure out a way for you to benefit from
the
class and work out the difficulties. Anything you do to help them
out
is nice of you, but not mandatory. And they can't reasonably make a
case for Project Management being a job blind folks can't do like
some
other things like piloting aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Project 2013

That souns so scary, David! I don't know what I'll have to do
with this course (MBA Project Management) in the fall. Do any of
you
have
any suggestions for me? This class is a requirement so I cannot
skip
it.
Thanks a lot
Snow

On 9/9/13, David G. Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Last version of MS Project that was marginally useable with
JAWS
was
2007.
Beyond that I would presume that it gets worse. The JAWS
scripts
are
not very useful on the newer versions.

David G. Carlson
Marketing / Sales Engineer
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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013


I can answer half your question. I used Project 2000 a while
back,
and
it was wonderful. It made managing a project a dream, because
you
could assign tasks, set preliminary tasks, track resource loads
for
individuals, and keep a clear idea of what deadlines you were
facing
soon and what had to be done to get different tasks done.
At one point it was very accessible, because the folks at FS
were
using it, and so the blind staff members pushed to make sure it
was
accessible thorough Jaws. I've heard tales about how it's not
as accessible as it was because those employees aren't on staff
anymore, so the impetus is no longer there.
Microsoft has a new accessibility helpdesk, so that might be a
good
vector to explore. Sorry, I don't have the number for it, but
I've
heard that they do a great job of helping folks out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
John
Martyn
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Project 2013

Don't know about MS project, but there are scripts for MS
OneNote.
www.OneNoteBlind.com
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
MINH-
TUYET SNOW JONES
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Microsoft Project 2013

Hi everybody!
I'm a fairly new member of the list. So, through this email,
I'd
like
to say "hello" to all of you.
Also, I'd like your help.
I'll need to work with MS Project 2013 in my MBA coming fall
quarter.
However, I haven't ever used this program before. Has any of
you
used
the program? Is it accessible for JAWS users? I'm worried
because
I'm
totally blind so I rely solely on Jaws to study.
Thank you in advance for all of your help.
Sincerely
Snow

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