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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Dave...
 

Oh, then I stand corrected. I was not aware that it was part of an acronym.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:34
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE




good catch John. I missed that. Yes, SMA stands for software
maintenance agreement, not software management agreement! let's be
accurate.

At 03:29 PM 10/4/2012, you wrote:
Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software
maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed
it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word
along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other
lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition
forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about
that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with
personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many
thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to
release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm
sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We
ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to
chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would
still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty
divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our
ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA,
switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I
believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one
who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly
some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of
the choir.
I need to go back to work!



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REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY,
INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR
WRITTEN
TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF
AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
recipients above and may contain information that is privileged,
attorney
work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have
received
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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Dave...
 

I think the distinction is not important. One can be the other. Managing
software is keeping control of it, so a form of maintenance.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Pierson" <joncpierson@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:29
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE


Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY,
INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN
TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Dave...
 

Done! And I thank you for offering the forum. Note that I was not ranting,
and I impress on others to please refrain from doing so. I won't tell you
what to say, but remember that "sugar will catch more flies than vinegar".
No, I'm not talking about fishing again. That's another adage.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:10
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE


All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR
RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE
IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES
UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
recipients above and may contain information
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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

John:
I just fixed the petition. I thought it was frozen once uploaded, but there is a back-door.
So, it now says software maintenance agreement ("SMA").
It happens I was work on a management agreement for a software company. Sorry for the slip.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE



good catch John. I missed that. Yes, SMA stands for software
maintenance agreement, not software management agreement! let's be
accurate.

At 03:29 PM 10/4/2012, you wrote:
Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software
maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed
it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word
along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other
lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition
forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about
that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with
personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many
thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to
release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm
sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We
ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to
chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would
still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty
divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our
ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA,
switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I
believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one
who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly
some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of
the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY,
INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR
WRITTEN
TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF
AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
recipients above and may contain information that is privileged,
attorney
work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have
received
this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000
and delete
this E-mail message.
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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Jon Pierson <joncpierson@...>
 

Oh, they won't let you tweak it, probably because people signed a certain
version; but the point will be made.
I've taught a lot of students with various complaints over the years, here's
hoping people get aboard.

Jon




-----
Have you ever had a technical issue with JFW that went unanswer? Or is your
pet peave that one bug from years ago which has just never been squashed?
Sign the Jaws "bugfix" petition at:

http://hkc.im/Vu

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Don't know how that got past us. You are clearly right, but alas! Too late
to change. I think everyone knows we're talking about an SMA.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pierson
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:29 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY,
INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN
TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Don't know how that got past us. You are clearly right, but alas! Too late to change. I think everyone knows we're talking about an SMA.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pierson
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:29 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
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TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING
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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

good catch John. I missed that. Yes, SMA stands for software maintenance agreement, not software management agreement! let's be accurate.

At 03:29 PM 10/4/2012, you wrote:
Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software maintenance "
agreement.

Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR
REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY,
INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN
TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

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Re: copy script to older version of Jaws

Dave...
 

You're trying to go backward? That could work, but make sure to back up all
your files in the ENU folder before you overwrite any of them.

There may be script-dependent features in the JFW 13 files that won't work
with JFW 12.

I'm pretty sure you can't use JAWS 13 and a source for merging into JAWS 12.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:53
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I've created frames and configurations for Thunderbird in Jaws 13 and
wonder if I can copy them over to 12 or do I need to recreate thehm?

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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Jon Pierson <joncpierson@...>
 

Hi,
You can always circulate a shortened Url like the one below:

http://hkc.im/Vu

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



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Re: THE PETITION IS LIVE

Jon Pierson <joncpierson@...>
 

Hi,
You may want to change "software management" to "software maintenance "
agreement.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: THE PETITION IS LIVE

All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my
own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along.
Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to
your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum
would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This
site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal
information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the
editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release
their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we
will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up
focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise
Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be
collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent
viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to
another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe
many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs
is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of
the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



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All:
Here is the link to the petition. It is live, and I have signed it with my own personal comments. Feel free to add your own. Pass the word along. Just paste the link below into email messages you send to other lists, to your friends, to ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems

The URL is a bit long. When I started, I didn't know the petition forum would grab the whole title and put it in the URL. Sorry about that. This site is 100% accessable, and you don't have to load it down with personal information.
This was not an easy task to draft this document. Many, many thanks to the editorial panel that helped me. I don't have their permission to release their names -- yet.
What a fantastic group. In the end, there were just 3 of us. I'm sure we will continue to see them on the list.
In the end, I realize this won't meet everyone's expectations. We ended up focusing on JAWS only, though a compelling case could be made to chastise Freedom Scientific for other sins. It just didn't fit.
Also, we have not called out specific problems. I think we would still be collecting input if we had.
Lots of people contacted me off-line, and there were some pretty divergent viewpoints. We have tried to accommodate those to the best of our ability.
Finally, this is worded so that no one has to give up an SMA, switch to another product, or anything else specific. Some of us will. I believe many who sign will take one of the indicated actions, but no one who signs is required to do anything. This is a forum to register publicly some of the frustration that has been vented here -- among us members of the choir.
I need to go back to work!



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copy script to older version of Jaws

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

I've created frames and configurations for Thunderbird in Jaws 13 and wonder if I can copy them over to 12 or do I need to recreate thehm?

Bob


Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Cy Selfridge
 

There seems to no real relationship between S/N and when they were issued.
When did you start using JAWS?
I started in 93 and I am 49XX.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George
Marshall
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

If we are playing how low can you go, mine is 11xx.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

well my sn is 17xx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 05:46
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and
9. I have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the
remote access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.
However it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as
the
version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5. Was
your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have
to
collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@telusplanet.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast
majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech
related
mailing
lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition.
FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But
if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS
users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is
only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing
so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be
a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would
anyone
on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is
better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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Kansas City, MO 64106
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

George Marshall
 

If we are playing how low can you go, mine is 11xx.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:06 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

well my sn is 17xx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 05:46
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and
9. I
have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the remote
access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as
the
version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5. Was
your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have
to
collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@telusplanet.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use
computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind
people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is
probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are
unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related
mailing
lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition.
FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But
if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS
users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is
only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so,
I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be
a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is
JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it
comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some
less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would
anyone
on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is
better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
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Re: why it's went to junk folder?

O.Addison Gethers <oag1rottie@...>
 

Thanks and I will try that to see what's happen from there!!

O. Addison Gethers

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----- Original Message -----
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Put jfw@lists.the-jdh.com in your address book. see if that works.

----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Hey Dave,
I was asking question because I have change my mail setting filter to have all e-mail to come to my inbox ,but this list e-mail still going to junk folder anyway!!

O. Addison Gethers

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Probably because we've been spouting a bunch of c**p lately?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "Jaws - 4" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 18:12
Subject: why it's went to junk folder?


Hello All,
I noticed since monday ,yesterday (tuesday) and today (wednesday) I went to
hotmail website on junk mail folder ,I have heard all of the members in this
list e-mail went to junk folder instead of inbox folder ,why is this list
e-mail going to junk mail folder? I don't understand why it's not coming in
my inbox folder !!

O. Addison Gethers

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O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

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Re: why it's went to junk folder?

john.falter
 

Put jfw@lists.the-jdh.com in your address book. see if that works.

----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Hey Dave,
I was asking question because I have change my mail setting filter to have all e-mail to come to my inbox ,but this list e-mail still going to junk folder anyway!!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
oag1rottie@hotmail.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Probably because we've been spouting a bunch of c**p lately?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "Jaws - 4" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 18:12
Subject: why it's went to junk folder?


Hello All,
I noticed since monday ,yesterday (tuesday) and today (wednesday) I went to
hotmail website on junk mail folder ,I have heard all of the members in this
list e-mail went to junk folder instead of inbox folder ,why is this list
e-mail going to junk mail folder? I don't understand why it's not coming in
my inbox folder !!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
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Re: why it's went to junk folder?

Dave...
 

Then you need to set your junk mail to allow mail from the jfw list.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 06:53
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Hey Dave,
I was asking question because I have change my mail setting filter to have
all e-mail to come to my inbox ,but this list e-mail still going to junk
folder anyway!!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
oag1rottie@hotmail.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Probably because we've been spouting a bunch of c**p lately?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "Jaws - 4" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 18:12
Subject: why it's went to junk folder?


Hello All,
I noticed since monday ,yesterday (tuesday) and today (wednesday) I went
to
hotmail website on junk mail folder ,I have heard all of the members in
this
list e-mail went to junk folder instead of inbox folder ,why is this list
e-mail going to junk mail folder? I don't understand why it's not coming
in
my inbox folder !!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
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Re: why it's went to junk folder?

O.Addison Gethers <oag1rottie@...>
 

Hey Dave,
I was asking question because I have change my mail setting filter to have all e-mail to come to my inbox ,but this list e-mail still going to junk folder anyway!!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
oag1rottie@hotmail.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: why it's went to junk folder?


Probably because we've been spouting a bunch of c**p lately?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@hotmail.com>
To: "Jaws - 4" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 18:12
Subject: why it's went to junk folder?


Hello All,
I noticed since monday ,yesterday (tuesday) and today (wednesday) I went to
hotmail website on junk mail folder ,I have heard all of the members in this
list e-mail went to junk folder instead of inbox folder ,why is this list
e-mail going to junk mail folder? I don't understand why it's not coming in
my inbox folder !!

O. Addison Gethers

e-mail address
oag1rottie@hotmail.com
O.AddisonGethers@gmail.com

Facebook
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finding out how long a playlist is in Windows Mediaplayer?

Dacia Cole
 

Hi,

I'm creating a playlist that I want to ultimately burn to a CD and I
want to know if there is a way using the keyboard to figure out how
long the playlist is in windows Mediaplayer? Thanks, I'm using JAWS
13 and WM 11 I think.

Dacia