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moderated Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Cussons, M. (Mark)
 

HI Adrian,

Thanks a mil.  Yes, this sluggish behaviour is very annoying.  How do I turn off layer tables?

Thanks for your help, for regrettably I cannot run any repairs on office or JAWS, as I don’t have admin rights on my machine.  Only the JAWS install file is whitelisted for me to install when updates arrive.

Regards

Mark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2021 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER - Please be careful when opening links and attachments. Nedbank - IT Information Security Department (ISD)

Hi Mark,

 

I’m having somewhat similar problems with JAWS 2021, and I also end up reverting to 2020.

 

Regarding messages with tables, I suggest opening up a message, any message, and pressing JAWS key+v to open JAWS quick settings. Type “table” into the search field, and then arrow down through the options. Actually, I’ve just checked my notes of previous posts that have worked for me, and I’ll copy them here:

 

Bill white. Try opening Outlook. Press JAWS key plus V for Quick Settings. In the search box, type table detection

Uncheck this option, TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

See if this allows your email to be read correctly.

Another answer. If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  

 

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moderated Changing the subject line and contacting the modrator.

David Diamond
 

This in no way is a reflection on the moderation of this group.  However, the comment was made if you have any complaints to contact the moderator.  In theory that should work and often does.  However, in the example I gave, the moderator would deliberately ignore messages she did not like and basically have a hissy fit if you did not agree with her. Changing the subject line?  Definitely there are times  the subject line does not jive with the body of the message.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: January 28, 2021 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

yeah when I had my tech list I tried to keep people on topic. on my general chat list however, obviously it's general chat but if it's going to be a long thread, I would ask you to change the subject line as the subject changes.

want to talk about all sorts of topics? join my list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-request@... with subscribe in the subject field.



On Jan 28, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:



Yeah, I am glad I am not on his list...

On 1/28/2021 5:00 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Someone had a good dose of their cranky pills this morning. Smile.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

 

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Maria Reyes
 

yeah when I had my tech list I tried to keep people on topic. on my general chat list however, obviously it's general chat but if it's going to be a long thread, I would ask you to change the subject line as the subject changes.

want to talk about all sorts of topics? join my list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-request@... with subscribe in the subject field.


On Jan 28, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:



Yeah, I am glad I am not on his list...

On 1/28/2021 5:00 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Someone had a good dose of their cranky pills this morning. Smile.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

 

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Question regarding yesterdays latest jaws update.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good evening Mike,

 

Just wanted too write, and let you know that your suggestion on the link that you provided for me to install the Jaws update worked. I do have a full license of jaws, but because of a lot of dental      work that I needed some years ago, I had to let my license laps.  When I asked how much it would cost to upgrade, they told me that it would cost $600.00   and that’s why I chose to go with that yearly lease. 

 

Anyway,  Many thanks for your help, 

 

Al      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding yesterdays latest jaws update.

 

Hi Albert,

 

I've never had an annual subscription so I can't answer your question but, there's 1 way to find out if the latest update will install or not.  Click on the link below to download the latest installer and run it to see if this latest update will install or not.

 

32 & 64 bit download link:
 
https://jaws2021.vfo.digital/2021.2012.57.400/4AD070D7-B284-424D-97A4-85ACBB926A1E/J2021.2012.57.400-any.exe
 
What's new:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2012.57 (January 19, 2021)
This update addresses a few key issues that were reported shortly after the January 2021 release.
To download the latest release, click on the link above
 
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
list of 8 items
• A new feature was introduced earlier this month, designed to let a user change the volume of JAWS speaking or the system volume itself using a layered
keystroke: INSERT+SPACE, V followed by J for JAWS or S for System. Since this change, Eloquence users reported hearing Ticks when reading and typing, especially
around the letter O. We also had reports of the volume randomly changing when reading documents or web pages. These issues are now resolved.
•  Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR was not starting the Voice Assistant in JAWS or Fusion.
• The JAWS voice commands to speak faster or slower now adjusts the speech in larger increments.
• Addressed an issue where JAWS was not reading table headings in Excel.
• Added a new JAWS Dictionary entry for "DocuSign."
• When spell checking a document in Word, resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading as expected when navigating by word through the text containing
the error.
• Resolved an issue where attachments were not being reported correctly in the Danish version of Outlook 2019.
• In the Italian version of JAWS, addressed an issue where the keystrokes to access the Braille and Text Viewer layer, as well as the Volume layer, were
not working as expected.
list end

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 6:48 AM

Subject: Question regarding yesterdays latest jaws update.

 

Good morning everyone, 

 

I would like too ask the following  question as it relates to the latest Jaws update that someone posted yesterday.  Whenever I go to the jaws updates,  It tells me that I have the latest version of jaws installed which came out in out sometime in mid December, that was jaws 2021. Here’s what I’m wondering.  Both me and my girlfriend are using the version of jaws, where we use the    version that is the lease too own one that we pay a subscription for  every year.  Does it make a differents whether or not     the latest updates for jaws if you own the full license of jaws,  or will the latest version    of jaws that came out yesterday, be installed without any problem. 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Yeah, I am glad I am not on his list...

On 1/28/2021 5:00 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Someone had a good dose of their cranky pills this morning. Smile.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

 

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 07:48 PM, David Diamond wrote:
Try imposing that rule at the job sight, you’d get a labour relations discriminatory charge against you so quick your head would spin.
-
Apples and oranges.

Personally, I value strong moderation with regard to topic focus.  There's nothing wrong with that.  And questioning a moderator or owner in public has been something "that just is not done" for decades.  The appropriate way to take up those issues is privately, and on Groups.io that's via the group owner email address.

I don't allow endless go-rounds, in public, of complaints about moderation.  You (the generic you) knew what the rules were when you joined, and if you spent sufficient time lurking have learned what the zeitgeist of the space is afterward with regard to zealousness (or lack thereof) of enforcement.  Issues with group administration are generally best not handled in public, and I won't handle them there when it's attempted.  But I don't ban instantly, either.  I'm just consistent about locking that sort of topic and saying there is one, and only one, mechanism that's acceptable:  writing to the owner address.

That was one of the reasons for my earlier reply to Gerald.  There is longstanding custom on the JAWS group with regard to moderation on topic focus being, relatively speaking, lax. 

It's also a part of a member's responsibility to use the tools available to them to exclude content that they don't like if that content is acceptable in a given venue.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

Someone had a good dose of their cranky pills this morning. Smile.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

 

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

Glen, your post reminded me of when a blind person taught a class  on how to use a screen reader.  He suggested we turn off our monitors.  His sighted live in came around and told me my monitor was broke because she couldn’t see anything.  If one does have some sight it is very easy to cheat.  I Phones or iPads have the screen curtain function.  My step daughter enabled it by accident and thought she broke my device. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

I would relate this to Jaws in that when I would at times, teach Jaws and keyboarding in a classroom with students wearing blindfolds, I would turn out the lights, as often people would be tempted to peek.

I would also turn off the monitors.

Back when I was sighted in high school, and in typing class, the teacher made everyone tape a sheet of paper over the keys and put our hands under them to type.

She made us do this every day, I don't know why she just didn't leave the paper, but it was an exercise in itself I guess.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

 

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

A red flag always goes up for me when moderators of other groups start telling the moderator how to run their group. One group I was on was notorious for that and one of the rules on that group was you could get booted off with no warning or chance of appeal.  I suspect the moderator never worked at a job and just had a cheque coming in every month from the government.  Try imposing that rule at the job sight, you’d get a labour relations discriminatory charge against you so quick your head would spin.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: January 28, 2021 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

I will also be having my list for general chat when it gets approved.

have an Apple Watch? Join my Apple Watch Facebook group:



https://www.facebook.com/groups/714656389219147/?ref=share



On Jan 28, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:



Well for anyone that wants to join a general blindness list that is not heavy handed in it's moderation then join blind-users+subscribe@groups.io

On 1/28/2021 11:03 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 

Excuse me, topic drift is not endemic if the group is well moderated.  I don't tolerate off-topic discussion on my Blind Hearing Aid Users list, and neither should the moderator of this list.

I understand that a discussion can sometimes drift off-topic, but the moderator has a responsibility to step in when it does and issue an admonishment.  That's how I run my list, and any member who repeatedly disregards warnings against posting off-topic messages is subject to being placed on mod status.  To be perfectly blunt, the original message in this thread about a new list member really had nothing to do with JAWS itself in the first place, and was only marginally related.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/28/2021 1:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,

-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: airbmb

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Amir. Just a quick question: Did you go to The Seeing Eye a number of years ago? I was in a class with someone there named Amir. Just curious.

 

I don’t want to take up time on this list. If you wish to email me (to answer my curiosity), my email address is shirleytracy16@...

 

Thanks.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Amir Shah
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: airbmb

 

hi my name is Amir shah, and I am trying to book  a place on Airbnb app. Can any one tell me if the app is accessible for blind and visual impair.

 


moderated Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Michelle's Home Emails
 

hi everyone 

Yes I have a similar issue. if I loose focus with Jaws I do the following: 
Alt plus Tab and go to another window. 

If that does not work I use the run command Described earlier. 

sometimes I use norator that always wakes up the sleeping jaws. 
Michelle 



On 29 Jan 2021, at 6:15 am, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: air bmb

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Hi, the subject didn't make any sense and I almost deleted it. Even if it is not technically correct spelling things so jaws says it in an understandable way is helpful.

On 1/28/2021 2:59 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote:

The map is not accessible but the rest of the app is.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir Shah
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: airbmb

 

hi my name is Amir shah, and I am trying to book  a place on Airbnb app. Can any one tell me if the app is accessible for blind and visual impair.


moderated Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Adrian Spratt
 

Cynthia,

 

I have a similar experience with my PC using Win10 and JAWS 2021. The fastest way I’ve found to get JAWS going again is to bring up Narrator with control-Windows-key-enter. Narrator speaks, and so does JAWS. I close Narrator wit the same key sequence, and JAWS is once again off to the races.

 

I have no idea why this works, but when I posted about this behavior the last time, several people reported a similar experience.

 

When things get really bad, I revert to JAWS 2020.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

 

Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: airbmb

Vaughn Brown
 

The map is not accessible but the rest of the app is.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir Shah
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: airbmb

 

hi my name is Amir shah, and I am trying to book  a place on Airbnb app. Can any one tell me if the app is accessible for blind and visual impair.


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Maria Reyes
 

I will also be having my list for general chat when it gets approved.

have an Apple Watch? Join my Apple Watch Facebook group:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/714656389219147/?ref=share


On Jan 28, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:



Well for anyone that wants to join a general blindness list that is not heavy handed in it's moderation then join blind-users+subscribe@groups.io

On 1/28/2021 11:03 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


Excuse me, topic drift is not endemic if the group is well moderated.  I don't tolerate off-topic discussion on my Blind Hearing Aid Users list, and neither should the moderator of this list.

I understand that a discussion can sometimes drift off-topic, but the moderator has a responsibility to step in when it does and issue an admonishment.  That's how I run my list, and any member who repeatedly disregards warnings against posting off-topic messages is subject to being placed on mod status.  To be perfectly blunt, the original message in this thread about a new list member really had nothing to do with JAWS itself in the first place, and was only marginally related.

 

Gerald



On 1/28/2021 1:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,
-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi Dan,

 

I do worry about whether it is cooling enough, but I don’t know what to do about that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: January 28, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

 

Hi,

  Wondering if this may be an issue with your laptop that is affecting JAWS performance?

Some areas to consider:

  How much memory do you have and does your ongoing work consume much of the memory?

Not often but at times the computer will not clear a program from memory even after it, the program, is closed.  Your re start of the computer fixes this issue.

Is your laptop being cooled adequately??

Laptops, especially newer, will slow the cpu if temperatures rise. (Thermo throttling )

Thus the performance of JAWS and other programs may be compromised.

  Your issue may indeed be JAWS related however just a couple other ideas.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

 

Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Wondering if this may be an issue with your laptop that is affecting JAWS performance?

Some areas to consider:

  How much memory do you have and does your ongoing work consume much of the memory?

Not often but at times the computer will not clear a program from memory even after it, the program, is closed.  Your re start of the computer fixes this issue.

Is your laptop being cooled adequately??

Laptops, especially newer, will slow the cpu if temperatures rise. (Thermo throttling )

Thus the performance of JAWS and other programs may be compromised.

  Your issue may indeed be JAWS related however just a couple other ideas.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

 

Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Well for anyone that wants to join a general blindness list that is not heavy handed in it's moderation then join blind-users+subscribe@groups.io

On 1/28/2021 11:03 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


Excuse me, topic drift is not endemic if the group is well moderated.  I don't tolerate off-topic discussion on my Blind Hearing Aid Users list, and neither should the moderator of this list.

I understand that a discussion can sometimes drift off-topic, but the moderator has a responsibility to step in when it does and issue an admonishment.  That's how I run my list, and any member who repeatedly disregards warnings against posting off-topic messages is subject to being placed on mod status.  To be perfectly blunt, the original message in this thread about a new list member really had nothing to do with JAWS itself in the first place, and was only marginally related.

 

Gerald



On 1/28/2021 1:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,
-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

There is a benefit I grew up sighted. very poor sight but now have no useful sight but some light sensitivity and have had to wear blinders several times over the years in various trainings. It is something I won't forget. It did help me and the instructors all agreed that having to wear them for long term helped them understand what we go through. Thousands of people do it all the time so If one person says it is not worthwhile then I am not to worried about it.

One thing Brian isn't thinking of is that a lot of the people that are being trained are in that first stage of loss. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't do it if they work with VI people.. Maybe they just can't do it...

On 1/28/2021 9:22 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

There has to be a benefit involved.
If for example, he thought he was going to lose much more sight, or all of
it, that may have motivated him more.
I think it was probably more beneficial for him to believe that you can do
something that he cannot.
The benefit for sighted trainers may be that they can keep their job.
I know that in Iowa and Nebraska, if new staff does not succeed their first
three months of training with them on, they lose their job.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Shumate" <snowflake122188@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't
even last 30 minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at
the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information,
it
was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
Technology
is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent
of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684










--









moderated Re: JAWS and Perky Duck

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

 

Because Perkidux is a program that requires six-key entry to have JAWS read like you are reading a Word document, you will need to go into the JAWS Setting Center and change the Braille Output to Uncontracted Braille.

 

Let me know if you need further help.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 

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