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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Will certainly do that. ... Thanks!

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Anna Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 7:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Check out JAWS help, popular applications with JAWS, Mozilla firefox.
At 04:52 PM 5/18/2014, you wrote:
Thanks, Louise.

I didn't know there was a different command for opening web sites in
Firefox, as compared to Internet Explorer, so this is very helpful indeed.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Louise
Johnson via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hi I use Firefox and I find it better but I am a newer user to the
internet.
I used internet explorer about six months and I just didn't figure it
out and didn't find it easy all the time. I have windows 8.1 and at
that time jaws 14. When someone suggested trying Firefox I have found it
better.
Adding favorites are easier and one thing to open use control l instead
of control o. I now have updated to jaws 15 and Firefox does most
things but once and awhile I do use internet explorer. Hope this helps
but it is always up to the person and others may say I am wrong but I
find Firefox what I prefer. From Louise and Hawk

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler via Jfw
Sent: May 18, 2014 8:35 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to
switch from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as
Firefox, in light of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like
to know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic
internet navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does
with Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work
with Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Makes sense, Petro. ... Thanks!

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 7:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

The reason is the audio tutorials I listened to are using the default layout
so it makes it easier to follow.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Petro:

Thanks so much for this very helpful information.

I do have one question, though:

Can you tell me why you decided to use the default lay-out rather than the
Jaws lay-out for Window Eyes?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes Tutorials
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Two or more screen readers can exist on the same computer but you should
make Window-Eyes during the install to be set to not start up nor at the log
on screen. Checkboxes for these two should be unchecked so you will not have
two screen readers boot up at the same time. Look for the tutorial on how to
do a Window-Eyes custom installation.

Yes, you can use Eloquence synthesizer with Window-Eyes.

I strongly recommend reading the tutorials or listening to the MP3s on how
to use Window-Eyes first.

Key hotkeys,
ctrl-/ brings up the Window-Eyes control panel
ctrl-insert-F4 allows you shut down window-eyes insert=-t for the time
ctrl-shift-t for the title bar ctrl-shift-r for read to end of document
ctrl-shift-w read dialog ctrl-shift-s summary message, use while in a list
view for example


It will take time to learn this screen reader. They have a JAWS layout but I
am using the default layout.

I have been using this screen reader for two days now but if it were not for
the audio tutorials I would have not done so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes


Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Anna Byrne via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Check out JAWS help, popular applications with JAWS, Mozilla firefox.

At 04:52 PM 5/18/2014, you wrote:
Thanks, Louise.

I didn't know there was a different command for opening web sites in
Firefox, as compared to Internet Explorer, so this is very helpful indeed.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hi I use Firefox and I find it better but I am a newer user to the internet.
I used internet explorer about six months and I just didn't figure it out
and didn't find it easy all the time. I have windows 8.1 and at that time
jaws 14. When someone suggested trying Firefox I have found it better.
Adding favorites are easier and one thing to open use control l instead of
control o. I now have updated to jaws 15 and Firefox does most things but
once and awhile I do use internet explorer. Hope this helps but it is always
up to the person and others may say I am wrong but I find Firefox what I
prefer. From Louise and Hawk

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: May 18, 2014 8:35 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to switch
from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as Firefox, in light
of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like to
know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic internet
navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does with
Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work with
Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

The reason is the audio tutorials I listened to are using the default layout
so it makes it easier to follow.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Petro:

Thanks so much for this very helpful information.

I do have one question, though:

Can you tell me why you decided to use the default lay-out rather than the
Jaws lay-out for Window Eyes?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes Tutorials
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Two or more screen readers can exist on the same computer but you should
make Window-Eyes during the install to be set to not start up nor at the log
on screen. Checkboxes for these two should be unchecked so you will not have
two screen readers boot up at the same time. Look for the tutorial on how to
do a Window-Eyes custom installation.

Yes, you can use Eloquence synthesizer with Window-Eyes.

I strongly recommend reading the tutorials or listening to the MP3s on how
to use Window-Eyes first.

Key hotkeys,
ctrl-/ brings up the Window-Eyes control panel
ctrl-insert-F4 allows you shut down window-eyes insert=-t for the time
ctrl-shift-t for the title bar ctrl-shift-r for read to end of document
ctrl-shift-w read dialog ctrl-shift-s summary message, use while in a list
view for example


It will take time to learn this screen reader. They have a JAWS layout but I
am using the default layout.

I have been using this screen reader for two days now but if it were not for
the audio tutorials I would have not done so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes


Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Transferring Sound Schemes

Mike B. via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hi Again,

Below are some steps for transferring sound schemes if anyone else is
inclined to do so:

From: net bat66
you would have to copy some registry keys.

http://www.faqforge.com/windows/export-and-import-sound-schemes-on-windows-7/


Export and Import Sound Schemes on Windows 7

Importing and exporting whole sound schemes becomes handy if you want to
apply your schemes to different computers or setup your system anew and don't
want
to copy the whole Windows theme. Doing so proves trickier as one might think
though, since sound schemes are not saved as some kind of file or package
as one might think.

First off, to create a custom sound scheme, head to the Control Panel and
open the Hardware and Sound Options. In the Sound menu, click on Change
system
sounds. Leave the applied scheme as it is and instead change its components
by selecting one of the listed items and browsing for a new sound file,
which
has to be in the .wav format. For simplicity's sake, put all your custom
sound files into the C:\Windows\Media folder prior to setting them since
they
have to be in the exact same folder on the system you import them.

02/sounds

After you have applied new sounds for all the items you want to change,
click the Save as. button and give your scheme a name.

Afterwards, to export the scheme open the Windows registry - do so by
opening a Run. prompt (Windows + R) and entering regedit. In the left
registry panel,
browse for the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\AppEvents key. Right-click it and select
Export to save its contents somewhere on your hard drive. Put the exported
registry
file and all the custom sound files you used on a USB key or another device
to transfer the files.

After you have got the registry file as well as the soundfiles you used on
the other system, put the sound files in the exact same folder as they were
on
the first system (if you followed this guide, it is C:\Windows\Media). Then
double-click the registry file to add the first system's sound scheme
settings
to the new one (schemes are only added, non will be removed if there were
custom schemes installed before). The sound scheme should now be available
in
the Control Panel.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. via Jfw
To: JFW List
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:37 PM
Subject: Transferring Sound Schemes


Hi All,

I'm setting up a new Win7 Pro computer running J13 latest &, would like to
know if it's possible to transfer a sound scheme from 1 Win7 Pro system to
another? If it's possible, how is it done? I truly hope this is possible
because doing major sound scheme changes in the Win7 system is a total pain
in the very lower back region! Ah, fooled y'all! I bet you thought i'd say
something nastier! LOL LOL

Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated, & graciously accepted.
Thank y'all very much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Marsha via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

HI
I am sort of confused. I have always used Alt+D to go to the address bar in both IE and Firefox. What is the real command for doing this? What are the differences? Thanks for the help.

Marsha


Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Thanks very much, J M.

I think I'll take the leap now and give Firefox a try.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of JM Casey via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

It is a part of firefox, yes. You can get to it with the options screen,
under the tools item in the menu bar. Find advanced settings/general and it
will be there.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox


JM:

Am I correct in saying that the hardware acceleration feature is in
Firefox?

And, if so, how exactly do you turn that off?

Dr. Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of JM Casey via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Jaws will almost work the same, except you'll have to turn the hardware
acceleration off if you want the Jaws cursor to work. Otherwise, the
browser's own command structure is a little different, but you'll get used
to it in no time.

Of course, iE will still be on your machine and you can still use it if
you
get stuck. I use both myself; IE seems to work better with a few things
but
chances are that if you have a problem with a page in IE it will work in
FIrefox.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox


Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to switch
from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as Firefox, in
light
of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like to
know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic internet
navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does with
Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work with
Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Thanks, Louise.

I didn't know there was a different command for opening web sites in
Firefox, as compared to Internet Explorer, so this is very helpful indeed.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hi I use Firefox and I find it better but I am a newer user to the internet.
I used internet explorer about six months and I just didn't figure it out
and didn't find it easy all the time. I have windows 8.1 and at that time
jaws 14. When someone suggested trying Firefox I have found it better.
Adding favorites are easier and one thing to open use control l instead of
control o. I now have updated to jaws 15 and Firefox does most things but
once and awhile I do use internet explorer. Hope this helps but it is always
up to the person and others may say I am wrong but I find Firefox what I
prefer. From Louise and Hawk

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: May 18, 2014 8:35 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to switch
from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as Firefox, in light
of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like to
know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic internet
navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does with
Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work with
Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Transferring Sound Schemes

Mike B. via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hi All,

I'm setting up a new Win7 Pro computer running J13 latest &, would like to
know if it's possible to transfer a sound scheme from 1 Win7 Pro system to
another? If it's possible, how is it done? I truly hope this is possible
because doing major sound scheme changes in the Win7 system is a total pain
in the very lower back region! Ah, fooled y'all! I bet you thought i'd say
something nastier! LOL LOL

Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated, & graciously accepted.
Thank y'all very much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

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I accidentally trashed your message from my iphone and can't download the remaining kilobytes to read it; please resend. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

JM Casey via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

It is a part of firefox, yes. You can get to it with the options screen, under the tools item in the menu bar. Find advanced settings/general and it will be there.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer To Firefox


JM:

Am I correct in saying that the hardware acceleration feature is in Firefox?

And, if so, how exactly do you turn that off?

Dr. Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of JM Casey via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Jaws will almost work the same, except you'll have to turn the hardware
acceleration off if you want the Jaws cursor to work. Otherwise, the
browser's own command structure is a little different, but you'll get used
to it in no time.

Of course, iE will still be on your machine and you can still use it if you
get stuck. I use both myself; IE seems to work better with a few things but
chances are that if you have a problem with a page in IE it will work in
FIrefox.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox


Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to switch
from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as Firefox, in
light
of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like to
know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic internet
navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does with
Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work with
Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Ed Marquette via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

It is all totally a matter of personal preference. Which ever screenreader one uses, the other seems more awkward.
I have switched back and forth over the years as my needs change. The conversion is a little tricky.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2014, at 2:11 PM, RJ Sandefur via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:

I personally find window eyes easier. RJ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Petro:

Thanks so much for this very helpful information.

I do have one question, though:

Can you tell me why you decided to use the default lay-out rather than the
Jaws lay-out for Window Eyes?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes Tutorials
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Two or more screen readers can exist on the same computer but you should
make Window-Eyes during the install to be set to not start up nor at the log
on screen. Checkboxes for these two should be unchecked so you will not have
two screen readers boot up at the same time. Look for the tutorial on how to
do a Window-Eyes custom installation.

Yes, you can use Eloquence synthesizer with Window-Eyes.

I strongly recommend reading the tutorials or listening to the MP3s on how
to use Window-Eyes first.

Key hotkeys,
ctrl-/ brings up the Window-Eyes control panel
ctrl-insert-F4 allows you shut down window-eyes insert=-t for the time
ctrl-shift-t for the title bar ctrl-shift-r for read to end of document
ctrl-shift-w read dialog ctrl-shift-s summary message, use while in a list
view for example


It will take time to learn this screen reader. They have a JAWS layout but I
am using the default layout.

I have been using this screen reader for two days now but if it were not for
the audio tutorials I would have not done so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes


Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

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Though I use both, WE and Jaws, WE I like somethings like IE's notification bar, is more useful than with Jaws. Also WindowEyes reads a bit more things than Jaws on its own. However why I'm using Jaws most of the time is because Miponi, Wuala aren't accessible with WE; if they were, I'd forget about Jaws. Good luck in your adventure!

El 18/05/2014 02:15 p.m., Tom Behler via Jfw escribió:
RJ:

Can you explain your clear preference for Window Eyes over Jaws?

I am open to all thoughts and ideas here.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

I've used both screen readers, and for me personally, I feel window eyes is
the better of the two hands down. RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Risavy, Jr. via Jfw"<jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Window-Eyes does come with a version of eloquence that can be used as
the default speech.
I have both installed on my computers and have not had any issues at
al as only use one or the other at one time of course.
There's going to be a bit of a learning curbed as the commands are
different between the two screen readers.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Melissa
Stott via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

I myself don't care for the Microsoft voices. I'm so use to eloquence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kerstetter via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom,

As a general rule, there is no conflict between screen readers. They
merely reside in the computer.

Also, after years of working with various screen readers, might I
suggest NVDA. Unfortunately eloquence cannot be used with it, but the
Microsoft voices aren't too bad.

I have tried several times over the years to really get into window
eyes, including the latest version with MS Office. I've found its
control panel to be confusing. Also, I find it to be a little clunky on
the web.
That's just my two cents based on experience. Others here may feel
differently.

HTH

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes

Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously
considering putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen
readers on the same computer can create real issues, if things are not
done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is
what Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have
been a Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I
will certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I
simply don't know where else to ask this question, given the various
e-mail lists to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

JM:

Am I correct in saying that the hardware acceleration feature is in Firefox?

And, if so, how exactly do you turn that off?

Dr. Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of JM Casey via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer To Firefox

Jaws will almost work the same, except you'll have to turn the hardware
acceleration off if you want the Jaws cursor to work. Otherwise, the
browser's own command structure is a little different, but you'll get used
to it in no time.

Of course, iE will still be on your machine and you can still use it if you
get stuck. I use both myself; IE seems to work better with a few things but
chances are that if you have a problem with a page in IE it will work in
FIrefox.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: Internet Explorer To Firefox


Hello, everyone.

The University where I teach is very strongly urging all of us to switch
from Internet Explorer to another internet browser such as Firefox, in
light
of recent Internet Explorer security issues.

I'm seriously considering making the switch to firefox, and would like to
know how much of a transition this will be in terms of basic internet
navigation.

Does Jaws operate in basically the same way with Firefox as it does with
Internet Explorer?

In other words, to the same basic Jaws key strokes and commands work with
Firefox?

I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 here.

Thank you!


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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

RJ:

Can you explain your clear preference for Window Eyes over Jaws?

I am open to all thoughts and ideas here.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

I've used both screen readers, and for me personally, I feel window eyes is
the better of the two hands down. RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Risavy, Jr. via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Window-Eyes does come with a version of eloquence that can be used as
the default speech.
I have both installed on my computers and have not had any issues at
al as only use one or the other at one time of course.
There's going to be a bit of a learning curbed as the commands are
different between the two screen readers.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Melissa
Stott via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

I myself don't care for the Microsoft voices. I'm so use to eloquence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kerstetter via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom,

As a general rule, there is no conflict between screen readers. They
merely reside in the computer.

Also, after years of working with various screen readers, might I
suggest NVDA. Unfortunately eloquence cannot be used with it, but the
Microsoft voices aren't too bad.

I have tried several times over the years to really get into window
eyes, including the latest version with MS Office. I've found its
control panel to be confusing. Also, I find it to be a little clunky on
the web.

That's just my two cents based on experience. Others here may feel
differently.

HTH

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes

Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously
considering putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen
readers on the same computer can create real issues, if things are not
done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is
what Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have
been a Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I
will certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I
simply don't know where else to ask this question, given the various
e-mail lists to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: FireFox

Andre Jarreau via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I will check them out. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:59 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: FireFox

I believe access technology institute sells a book on how to use firefox;
however, Blind Access Training also offers training in firefox as well, if
you decide not to seek written tutorials.
Website for AccessTechnologyInstitute bookstore is
http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/browsers.htm

Website for the direct training with Blind Access Training is
http://blindaccesstraining.com/
best wishes
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:35 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: FireFox

Hi everyone. Late bloomer here. I have FireFox loaded onto my computer.

Can someone point me to where a tutorial might be on how to use it on a
Windows 7 machine? All I can get FireFox to do is crash my computer.

Also could you provide FireFox keystrokes to get to the tutorial?

Again when I click on any link on the FireFox homepage all I get is a crash.
Don't know if it matters. During installation of FireFox I clicked on
something about using Internet Explorer as a model or something like that.

Thanks for any help.

Andre
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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Thanks, Don.

I appreciate the input very much.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Don Risavy,
Jr. via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:52 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes does come with a version of eloquence that can be used as the
default speech.
I have both installed on my computers and have not had any issues at al as
only use one or the other at one time of course.
There's going to be a bit of a learning curbed as the commands are different
between the two screen readers.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

I myself don't care for the Microsoft voices. I'm so use to eloquence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kerstetter via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom,

As a general rule, there is no conflict between screen readers. They merely
reside in the computer.

Also, after years of working with various screen readers, might I suggest
NVDA. Unfortunately eloquence cannot be used with it, but the Microsoft
voices aren't too bad.

I have tried several times over the years to really get into window eyes,
including the latest version with MS Office. I've found its control panel
to be confusing. Also, I find it to be a little clunky on the web.

That's just my two cents based on experience. Others here may feel
differently.

HTH

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes

Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

RJ Sandefur via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I personally find window eyes easier. RJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes


Petro:

Thanks so much for this very helpful information.

I do have one question, though:

Can you tell me why you decided to use the default lay-out rather than the
Jaws lay-out for Window Eyes?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes Tutorials
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Two or more screen readers can exist on the same computer but you should
make Window-Eyes during the install to be set to not start up nor at the log
on screen. Checkboxes for these two should be unchecked so you will not have
two screen readers boot up at the same time. Look for the tutorial on how to
do a Window-Eyes custom installation.

Yes, you can use Eloquence synthesizer with Window-Eyes.

I strongly recommend reading the tutorials or listening to the MP3s on how
to use Window-Eyes first.

Key hotkeys,
ctrl-/ brings up the Window-Eyes control panel
ctrl-insert-F4 allows you shut down window-eyes insert=-t for the time
ctrl-shift-t for the title bar ctrl-shift-r for read to end of document
ctrl-shift-w read dialog ctrl-shift-s summary message, use while in a list
view for example


It will take time to learn this screen reader. They have a JAWS layout but I
am using the default layout.

I have been using this screen reader for two days now but if it were not for
the audio tutorials I would have not done so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes


Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Dan:

I actually have considered NVDA as another alternative, so I appreciate this
suggestion.

Since it is also free, I may give it a try as well, perhaps on a computer
that I don't use too frequently at least for the time being.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom,

As a general rule, there is no conflict between screen readers. They merely
reside in the computer.

Also, after years of working with various screen readers, might I suggest
NVDA. Unfortunately eloquence cannot be used with it, but the Microsoft
voices aren't too bad.

I have tried several times over the years to really get into window eyes,
including the latest version with MS Office. I've found its control panel
to be confusing. Also, I find it to be a little clunky on the web.

That's just my two cents based on experience. Others here may feel
differently.

HTH

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes

Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Petro:

Thanks so much for this very helpful information.

I do have one question, though:

Can you tell me why you decided to use the default lay-out rather than the
Jaws lay-out for Window Eyes?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws To Window Eyes

Window-Eyes Tutorials
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Two or more screen readers can exist on the same computer but you should
make Window-Eyes during the install to be set to not start up nor at the log
on screen. Checkboxes for these two should be unchecked so you will not have
two screen readers boot up at the same time. Look for the tutorial on how to
do a Window-Eyes custom installation.

Yes, you can use Eloquence synthesizer with Window-Eyes.

I strongly recommend reading the tutorials or listening to the MP3s on how
to use Window-Eyes first.

Key hotkeys,
ctrl-/ brings up the Window-Eyes control panel
ctrl-insert-F4 allows you shut down window-eyes insert=-t for the time
ctrl-shift-t for the title bar ctrl-shift-r for read to end of document
ctrl-shift-w read dialog ctrl-shift-s summary message, use while in a list
view for example


It will take time to learn this screen reader. They have a JAWS layout but I
am using the default layout.

I have been using this screen reader for two days now but if it were not for
the audio tutorials I would have not done so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Jaws To Window Eyes


Hello, again.

In an attempt to have an alternative to Jaws, I'm seriously considering
putting Window Eyes on at least one computer here.

However, I have heard from several sources that having two screen readers on
the same computer can create real issues, if things are not done properly.

Also, can I configure Window Eyes to work with Elloquence, which is what
Jaws currently uses?

Finally, I'd like to know how much of a learning curve is going to be
involved with learning to use Window Eyes, especially since I have been a
Jaws user for about the last 20 years.

My time to learn a new speech screen reader is limited, although I will
certainly try to do so if it would be in my best interest.

If this post is considered to be "off topic" for this list, I want to
apologize in advance to the moderator and other list members. I simply
don't know where else to ask this question, given the various e-mail lists
to which I belong.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




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