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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Mike Pietruk
Marty
(1) First, you can always check the spelling of a name or word both by letter and phonetically. (2) Just because you have the spelling of a name, you won't necessarily pronounce it correctly. |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Marty Hutchings
Bill, You are right and I usually do that when responding in
writing. It is when I refer to someone in person who's name was
read to me by JAWS and I am not familiar with that person by the
way that JAWS has pronounced the name, usually a last name. On 4/7/2022 3:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
-- Thanks, Lion Marty Hutchings BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison (262) 605-8981 mhutchings152730@... www.wisconsinbold.com |
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how do shortcut
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window 11 jaws 22
how can I make shor cut on my start menu that all I do
to go down click what I want instead of desktop
thanks Rosie
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Bill White
Usually, Marty, if you look at the spelling of people's names, you can figure out that JAWS is mispronouncing the name. Usually I look at the spelling of names, even when I know JAWS is not mispronouncing them, because, names may be spelled differently, and I don't want to type someone's name incorrectly. For example, Chris may be spelled with a ch, a K, or even just with a C.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 12:49 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Have you ever been embarrassed by mispronouncing someone's name, because you said it the way JAWS said it and it was dreadfully wrong? I have and it's not fun. I just blame it on JAWS and laugh it off most of the time. On 4/7/2022 9:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
-- Thanks,Lion Marty HutchingsBOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison(262) 605-8981mhutchings152730@...www.wisconsinbold.com |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Marty Hutchings
Have you ever been embarrassed by mispronouncing someone's name,
because you said it the way JAWS said it and it was dreadfully
wrong? I have and it's not fun. I just blame it on JAWS and
laugh it off most of the time. On 4/7/2022 9:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 07:04 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: -- Thanks, Lion Marty Hutchings BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison (262) 605-8981 mhutchings152730@... www.wisconsinbold.com |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
ratshtron
hmmm,, I hear the letter a when loading chrome but it actually isn't there. I paste my link in and chrome goes to the link with no problem. so its my guess that jaws is speaking a ghost letter, lol!
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Re: Google Chrome Shortcut Constantly Disappearing
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 05:20 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
I doubt it, since the hotkey is disappearing. Any kind of maximising won’t make any difference.- I concur, and because when you open the properties dialog for a desktop shortcut to assign a keyboard shortcut to it, the dialog is already maximized (and, since it's a dialog, only takes up a small part of the overall screen). In fact, that dialog has no minimize/maximize option associated with it, only the close button for the dialog window itself. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Bill White
Hi, Steve. I opened Chrome with Narrator, pressed CONTROL plus L for the address bar, tabbed away, and back to Chrome, and Narrator still wouldn't read the Chrome address bar, when I would put in a URL.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Hi Bill,
You can get Narrator to read the address bar, if you alt tab away from, and back to, Chrome once you’ve opened it. It seems that Narrator doesn’t recognise that you’ve opened a program when you launch Chrome, and thinks it’s still on the desktop. I have reported this bug to the Narrator team.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Hi, Brian. I suspect that you are right and it is a weird artifact of the interaction between screen reader and Google Chrome. When I tried using Narrator with Chrome, it wouldn't read what is in the Address Bar, so I can't verrify how Narrator reacts with the address bar.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
I am seriously wondering whether this is a bug in Google Chrome or something else. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 05:27 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Is there some underlined A by the address bar field by any chance? You’d be able to tell us that as a sighted person. If there is, JAWS could be mistakenly reading it as if it were a shortcut, like Alt A or something.- Steve, The reason I suggested getting a sighted assistant for those who are having the issue is that I have never, as yet, either seen it nor heard it. This topic is the one and only instance I am aware of where this issue has ever been mentioned. And I tend to remember "quirky issues" such as this one even from long ago. I'm very curious as to what the actual root cause may be. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 07:04 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
But remember, it's not the screen reader that initially pronounces the word- True. But no matter what, you're fiddling with something, and you can be almost certain that what gets fixed in one Synth gets screwed up in another, so you may be rolling the dice as far as what was being pronounced correctly now no longer being so. That's one of the things I like about NVDA dictionary handling. Having a dictionary that is applied no matter the synth (default dictionary), versus to a given synth (voice dictionary), versus temporary for playing around before assigning something permanently to one of the other two or for really transient one-time use. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Adrian Spratt
I’m surprised that anyone would discourage JAWS users from taking advantage of the dictionary. One reason, as Karen says, is that JAWS can pump incorrect pronunciations into our heads that are difficult to remove, such as unusual names. I also find that, because I have JAWS set to a relatively high speed, I’m accustomed to ignoring words I don’t hear clearly, especially when I’m skimming. Often it’s because JAWS and/or my synthesizer is mispronouncing them. Not good for reading comprehension.
Beyond that, if you read for pleasure and the texts are difficult, mispronunciations make them that much harder and detract from your appreciation.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Reynolds
Hi Mike and others, Thank you so much for answering my question. I knew there was a way, but couldn’t remember it.
Normally I don’t change things either, but this one really stood out as odd. And I’ve noticed that I’ve been pronouncing names of people the way Jaws says them. That causes some to look at me funny, like who are you talking about. I thought if I fixed some of them, I would say their names correctly.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B.
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following. 1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Karen Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Karen Reynolds
Hi Mike and others, Thank you so much for answering my question. I knew there was a way, but couldn’t remember it.
Normally I don’t change things either, but this one really stood out as odd. And I’ve noticed that I’ve been pronouncing names of people the way Jaws says them. That causes some to look at me funny, like who are you talking about. I thought if I fixed some of them, I would say their names correctly.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following. 1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Mike Pietruk
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Thanks for that reminder; and this certainly complicates things and strengthens my belief that, in most instances, one is better off leaving well enough alone. Presumably, since JAWS has a dictionary, there are words already in it. Is there a way to bring up a list (or a readable file containing them) so one could study what modifications have been implemented? In the old Window-eyes, one could do this seeing what words had changes made, what the changes looked like, and one could quickly add words or phrases to be modified and saved.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Steve Nutt wrote:
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Steve Nutt
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wrong, it's the synthesiser. Sometimes, if you change synth, you will get a correct pronunciation. All the best Steve
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: 07 April 2022 10:47 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word Brian makes a great point here. Initially, I was much like Karen upset when a word was mispronounced expecting a screen reader to be a perfect speaker of the English language and my version of the English language, namely USA English. Then, something else struck me. From a practical standpoint, I am the only listener of my screen reader. As long as I am the only listener/reader, as long as I know what it is trying to say, that's all that matters. Now, if the way it says something might confuse me, certainly, work on a change. And, as Brian suggests, it may not be as simple as one expects to accomplish the fix. And, of course, we have words in English that are spelled the same but are pronounced quite differently given the context. Example, the word spelled W I N D which could have a log or short "letter i" sound given the meaning. You are never going to be able to fix that totally. JFW is a tool, not the perfect ennunciator of a language. As long as you knows what it means, that's what matters. If anything, be more concerned that you spell things correctly, especially if what you are preparing needs to be understood by someone else as a reader not using JFW or another screen reader. On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Brian Vogel wrote: I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that isyou may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them. an alternate phonetic spelling that actually gets read the way you want it to. But after you have that pronunciation nailed, then use that spelling in the replacement. -- |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Mike Pietruk
Adrian
When screen readers for a pc first became available widely, probably in the mid 1980s or so, pronunciations mishaps bothered me. But, as I continued using screen readers (initially on the former Apple II and moving on to a pc), I decided that as long as I knew what was being said, that was all that mattered. If one begins to take word pronunciations too seriously, one will be spending a lot of their time on somewhat unproductive activity. Unless the pronunciation confuses me, I am not going to concern myself about it. It is good, however, that JAWS does allow one to modify pronunciations if needed. I believe that the word that raised the question may be spoken differently in different versions of English -- U.S., British, Australian, New Zealand, et al. |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Mike Pietruk
Brian
you raise a good point. Out of curiosity, I brought up the last version of Window-Eyes, We9.54, which does exactly the same thing -- which, of course, was released a good number of years ago. Guess what, it does the same thing. So, I doubt that this is a true JFW bug but perhaps one of interaction with another program, in this instance, Chrome. Once again, it's a nusiance which confuses; but, if the JAWS user knows what is going on, it should be a non-issue. For the casual or beginner JAWS user, of course, this is going to be totally confusing. I am guessing that if this were an easy fix, it would long ago have been taken care of. |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Mike Pietruk
Brian makes a great point here.
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Initially, I was much like Karen upset when a word was mispronounced expecting a screen reader to be a perfect speaker of the English language and my version of the English language, namely USA English. Then, something else struck me. From a practical standpoint, I am the only listener of my screen reader. As long as I am the only listener/reader, as long as I know what it is trying to say, that's all that matters. Now, if the way it says something might confuse me, certainly, work on a change. And, as Brian suggests, it may not be as simple as one expects to accomplish the fix. And, of course, we have words in English that are spelled the same but are pronounced quite differently given the context. Example, the word spelled W I N D which could have a log or short "letter i" sound given the meaning. You are never going to be able to fix that totally. JFW is a tool, not the perfect ennunciator of a language. As long as you knows what it means, that's what matters. If anything, be more concerned that you spell things correctly, especially if what you are preparing needs to be understood by someone else as a reader not using JFW or another screen reader.
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Brian Vogel wrote:
I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that is you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them. |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Steve Nutt
Hi Bill,
You can get Narrator to read the address bar, if you alt tab away from, and back to, Chrome once you’ve opened it. It seems that Narrator doesn’t recognise that you’ve opened a program when you launch Chrome, and thinks it’s still on the desktop. I have reported this bug to the Narrator team.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 07 April 2022 05:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Hi, Brian. I suspect that you are right and it is a weird artifact of the interaction between screen reader and Google Chrome. When I tried using Narrator with Chrome, it wouldn't read what is in the Address Bar, so I can't verrify how Narrator reacts with the address bar.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
I am seriously wondering whether this is a bug in Google Chrome or something else. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
Steve Nutt
Hi Brian,
I think it is a bug in Chrome, because I get it, but I ignore it.
Is there some underlined A by the address bar field by any chance? You’d be able to tell us that as a sighted person. If there is, JAWS could be mistakenly reading it as if it were a shortcut, like Alt A or something.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 April 2022 05:03 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.
I am seriously wondering whether this is a bug in Google Chrome or something else. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Steve Nutt
Hi Brian,
That’s a good tip. I don’t use it, simply because you can press insert Up Arrow in the replacement edit field to get the pronunciation, but it’s not a bad idea.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 April 2022 04:40 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that is you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Friendship. . . Intimacy, untroubled by eros. ~ Kim Chernin |
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