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Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

I have clients that I won't even make aware of this trick because they'll just get frustrated. Incidentally, the speech on and off gesture on IOS is the same way. It might even be worse than the screen curtain, but that's highly off topic for this list. We probably should move this thread to private email.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

Londa,

           Thanks.  The "type it fast" thing will work for some clients and not for others, but it's great to know that the option exists.

           On a semi-related note, this sort of "you've got to do it with precisely the right, and fast, timing" thing applies to the screen curtain on the iPhone, too.  It's a great feature for someone who's blind because keeping the screen off extends your battery life per charge by a huge amount.  But if you need someone to assist you it's also pretty imperative that you can turn the screen curtain off.  Getting the exact timing for the triple-finger triple-tap is no mean feat, let me tell you!

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

Londa,

           Thanks.  The "type it fast" thing will work for some clients and not for others, but it's great to know that the option exists.

           On a semi-related note, this sort of "you've got to do it with precisely the right, and fast, timing" thing applies to the screen curtain on the iPhone, too.  It's a great feature for someone who's blind because keeping the screen off extends your battery life per charge by a huge amount.  But if you need someone to assist you it's also pretty imperative that you can turn the screen curtain off.  Getting the exact timing for the triple-finger triple-tap is no mean feat, let me tell you!

Brian


Re: F123.org.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:00 am, Tony <tony@...> wrote:
If you can't find where to send notice of a problem I wouldn't hold out much hope of any assistance.

 Well, they do have a "Contact" link.  But what's really interesting is that they list their e-mail as information at-sign f123.org on that page, elsewhere, in one of the images they show info at-sign f123.org.

However, at the bottom of the current first post on the English language page they say, "If you encounter any difficulties or want to participate with our team and users offering suggestions, asking questions, or sharing your experiences with F123 Access, please join our Google Group. To join, simply send a blank e-mail message to:

F123-Access-English+subscribe@...


In case the above mailto link gets semi-redacted by the groups.io software, it is F123-Access-English+subscribe at-sign GoogleGroups.com

Brian, who gets the high irony regarding inaccessibility on a site about accessibility


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 The only trick is that you have to type them very quickly. If you stop, you're sunk.  

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:20 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 Londa,

           Is there a trick to getting several letters to work?   I have never been able, on any version of JAWS I've worked with, to get it to recognize the second through nth characters of a file name.  This would be so handy such that if you knew you had a file named file1.txt and file2.txt that you could type in file2 and have JAWS zoom right to the correct one.

           One of the reasons I've started teaching clients how to use Search Everything and the Copy-Paste technique of attaching files is because it's just far less tedious when they know enough of a file name to get search results that are either the single file or very few files, and those will be found anywhere they happen to be on the computer.  The amount of time saved with navigating via browsing when the files in question are nowhere near each other in the folder tree is huge.

Brian 


Re: F123.org.

Adrian Spratt
 

No need to despair. Nermin posted the address for the English language version a little while ago:
http://f123.org/en/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:Tony@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

If you can't find where to send notice of a problem I wouldn't hold out much hope of any assistance.

Using jaws and IE11 I can find no place to select a language.

Let us know if they ever make their site accessible.
Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

If you go to the English language version, you'll see a series of comments on the homepage, and in one they acknowledge accessibility problems brought to their attention by users and what they've done about them. So they seem to be receptive to hearing about the problems people here are experiencing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

The sad thing about this is that it is supposed to be a project for accessibility, and the web page is not accessible.
I keep saying, one step forward, three steps back with technology.

On 1/22/2016 11:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:45 am, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...> wrote:

I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.

Time for an e-mail to support@....

It's getting harder and harder for them to keep up with the changing
trends in web coding. It's also awful for those of us who are sighted
tutors because there's a trend toward making objects appear to be
something that they're not. The dreaded link button that looks like a
button (and is meant to) to those who can see but is actually a link
as far as JAWS and the actual mechanism of action is concerned.

There are three objects located to the right side of the page, one
appears to be an edit box for subscribing to their e-mail and a search
box (but the language in that remains Portuguese in those even after
the rest of the page is shifted to the chosen language) and the
language chooser dropdown directly below those.

I should have mentioned before the direct links to the pages in
languages other than Portuguese:

English: http://f123.org/en

French: http://f123.org/fr

Spanish: http://f123.org/es

If you change the language to other than the default then the list
includes Portuguese and notes that it's Brazilian dialect.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: F123.org.

Tony
 

If you can't find where to send notice of a problem I wouldn't hold out much hope of any assistance.

Using jaws and IE11 I can find no place to select a language.

Let us know if they ever make their site accessible.
Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

If you go to the English language version, you'll see a series of comments on the homepage, and in one they acknowledge accessibility problems brought to their attention by users and what they've done about them. So they seem to be receptive to hearing about the problems people here are experiencing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

The sad thing about this is that it is supposed to be a project for accessibility, and the web page is not accessible.
I keep saying, one step forward, three steps back with technology.

On 1/22/2016 11:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:45 am, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...> wrote:

I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.

Time for an e-mail to support@....

It's getting harder and harder for them to keep up with the changing
trends in web coding. It's also awful for those of us who are sighted
tutors because there's a trend toward making objects appear to be
something that they're not. The dreaded link button that looks like a
button (and is meant to) to those who can see but is actually a link
as far as JAWS and the actual mechanism of action is concerned.

There are three objects located to the right side of the page, one
appears to be an edit box for subscribing to their e-mail and a search
box (but the language in that remains Portuguese in those even after
the rest of the page is shifted to the chosen language) and the
language chooser dropdown directly below those.

I should have mentioned before the direct links to the pages in
languages other than Portuguese:

English: http://f123.org/en

French: http://f123.org/fr

Spanish: http://f123.org/es

If you change the language to other than the default then the list
includes Portuguese and notes that it's Brazilian dialect.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: F123.org.

Adrian Spratt
 

If you go to the English language version, you'll see a series of comments on the homepage, and in one they acknowledge accessibility problems brought to their attention by users and what they've done about them. So they seem to be receptive to hearing about the problems people here are experiencing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: F123.org.

The sad thing about this is that it is supposed to be a project for
accessibility, and the web page is not accessible.
I keep saying, one step forward, three steps back with technology.

On 1/22/2016 11:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:45 am, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...> wrote:

I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.

Time for an e-mail to support@....

It's getting harder and harder for them to keep up with the changing
trends in web coding. It's also awful for those of us who are sighted
tutors because there's a trend toward making objects appear to be
something that they're not. The dreaded link button that looks like a
button (and is meant to) to those who can see but is actually a link as
far as JAWS and the actual mechanism of action is concerned.

There are three objects located to the right side of the page, one
appears to be an edit box for subscribing to their e-mail and a search
box (but the language in that remains Portuguese in those even after the
rest of the page is shifted to the chosen language) and the language
chooser dropdown directly below those.

I should have mentioned before the direct links to the pages in
languages other than Portuguese:

English: http://f123.org/en

French: http://f123.org/fr

Spanish: http://f123.org/es

If you change the language to other than the default then the list
includes Portuguese and notes that it's Brazilian dialect.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: F123.org.

Maria Campbell
 

The sad thing about this is that it is supposed to be a project for accessibility, and the web page is not accessible.
I keep saying, one step forward, three steps back with technology.

On 1/22/2016 11:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:45 am, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...> wrote:

I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.

Time for an e-mail to support@....

It's getting harder and harder for them to keep up with the changing
trends in web coding. It's also awful for those of us who are sighted
tutors because there's a trend toward making objects appear to be
something that they're not. The dreaded link button that looks like a
button (and is meant to) to those who can see but is actually a link as
far as JAWS and the actual mechanism of action is concerned.

There are three objects located to the right side of the page, one
appears to be an edit box for subscribing to their e-mail and a search
box (but the language in that remains Portuguese in those even after the
rest of the page is shifted to the chosen language) and the language
chooser dropdown directly below those.

I should have mentioned before the direct links to the pages in
languages other than Portuguese:

English: http://f123.org/en

French: http://f123.org/fr

Spanish: http://f123.org/es

If you change the language to other than the default then the list
includes Portuguese and notes that it's Brazilian dialect.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: facebook

judith bron
 

I’m having the same problems.  On top of that I’m not getting all my messages.  Does anyone know of an unsubscribe link on Facebook?

 

From: Drew Hunthausen [mailto:dhunthausen@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: facebook

 

Dear list,

I’m running the latest build of Jaws 16 and for the last 1.5 weeks seem to be having a lot of trouble with facebook jumping around. I’ll be reading and try to make a comment only to find myself at the top of the page. Anyone else experiencing this? going to upgrade to 17 soon to see if that fixes the problem. Thanks fo any help


Re: F123.org.

 
Edited

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:45 am, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.

 Time for an e-mail to Freedom Scientific Technical Support - support at-sign freedomscientific.com.  

It's getting harder and harder for them to keep up with the changing trends in web coding.  It's also awful for those of us who are sighted tutors because there's a trend toward making objects appear to be something that they're not.  The dreaded link button that looks like a button (and is meant to) to those who can see but is actually a link as far as JAWS and the actual mechanism of action is concerned.

There are three objects located to the right side of the page, one appears to be an edit box for subscribing to their e-mail and a search box (but the language in that remains Portuguese in those even after the rest of the page is shifted to the chosen language) and the language chooser dropdown directly below those.

I should have mentioned before the direct links to the pages in languages other than Portuguese:

English:  http://f123.org/en

French:  http://f123.org/fr

Spanish:  http://f123.org/es

If you change the language to other than the default then the list includes Portuguese and notes that it's Brazilian dialect.


Re: facebook

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have 17, but Facebook seems to be getting worse and worse - much more
trouble with the thing, and I'm giving my friends a hearty farewell, that
is if I can find and get on What's on your mind?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Hunthausen [mailto:dhunthausen@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: facebook

Dear list,

I'm running the latest build of Jaws 16 and for the last 1.5 weeks seem
to be having a lot of trouble with facebook jumping around. I'll be
reading and try to make a comment only to find myself at the top of the
page. Anyone else experiencing this? going to upgrade to 17 soon to see
if that fixes the problem. Thanks fo any help


facebook

Drew Hunthausen
 

Dear list,

I’m running the latest build of Jaws 16 and for the last 1.5 weeks seem to be having a lot of trouble with facebook jumping around. I’ll be reading and try to make a comment only to find myself at the top of the page. Anyone else experiencing this? going to upgrade to 17 soon to see if that fixes the problem. Thanks fo any help


Re: F123.org.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 


Hi, Brian. I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: F123.org.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:16 am, Nermin <voy44@...> wrote:
there seems to be no language selection available on the Portuguese front page.

 Nermin,

           There is actually a language selection on the page, but based on my experiences with pages that have multiple language versions it is a bit peculiar.  Most that I've ever dealt with have what looks like a series of small flags across the top of the page that I think of as "buttons" that correspond to the language you want to have displayed.

            On the f123.org main page there is a drop down menu that's positioned over on the right that, when you hover over it shows the link http://f123.org/# in the status bar and that corresponds to the page in Portuguese and also shows a dropdown list that includes the languages English, French, and Spanish (with French an Spanish written in their respective native languages, of course).

Brian



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Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Adrian Spratt
 

I’ve just tested Londa’s method. The following steps will find messages with attachments in Outlook 2010, and JAWS verbalizes each step :

 

Place focus at the desired message list.

Control-shift-f once to the “Categories” button.

Do not press enter, even though there’s an ellipsis inviting you to do so. Instead, press tab three times.

You land in a checkbox labeled Only items with…” Press spacebar.

Tab once, and “One or more attachments” is the first item in the combo box.

Press enter.

Wait for JAWS to announce “Find Now,” then press F6 to enter the list of search results.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:20 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 Londa,

           Is there a trick to getting several letters to work?   I have never been able, on any version of JAWS I've worked with, to get it to recognize the second through nth characters of a file name.  This would be so handy such that if you knew you had a file named file1.txt and file2.txt that you could type in file2 and have JAWS zoom right to the correct one.

           One of the reasons I've started teaching clients how to use Search Everything and the Copy-Paste technique of attaching files is because it's just far less tedious when they know enough of a file name to get search results that are either the single file or very few files, and those will be found anywhere they happen to be on the computer.  The amount of time saved with navigating via browsing when the files in question are nowhere near each other in the folder tree is huge.

Brian 


Re: Stopping email from the list

Kimsan
 

Thanks Brian.

I will confirm my going no mail here in a minute, but just wanted to write to give thanks and I will save these steps.

 

I need to be reading my college books more, instead of all of these emails lol.

 

See everyone in March!

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 7:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Stopping email from the list

 

Kimsan,

          Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like you're trying to gain access to the online forum via clicking a link in the e-mail digest.  I really can't speak to that since I stopped getting the e-mail digests long ago.  Since the original poster mentioned "continue access to the site" that makes me think that he is accessing everything through the forums website, not the digest.

          From earlier threads, I think that if your sole access has been via the e-mail digest before the advent of the forums website, you will have to set up a password for the website when you first attempt to access it.  I cannot say exactly what's going to pop-up on your first login attempt since it's been too long since I did mine.  That being said, I'm going to attempt to step-by-step you to logging in to the site to find the options I've spoken of:

  1. Enter https://groups.io/login in your web browser of choice (or click on the link in this step).
  2. On the login page, enter your e-mail ID and password or use one of the link "buttons" at the bottom of the screen to have yourself sent a login link or sign in with Facebook or Google.
  3. Once logged in, you will be presented with the Groups page, in my case the only group is jfw, and I click on the link that's right next to the checkbox for the group to be taken directly to the jfw main groups page.
  4. On the jfw main groups page you have a menu of sorts down the left side of the screen with its choices labeled:
    • Home 
    • Messages
    • Post
    • Poll
    • Wiki
    • Hangout
    • Subscription
  5. That same menu is carried over if you go to the Messages page, which is where I spend pretty much all of my time.  Selecting the Subscription option from whatever page you are on leads to the page that shows the group e-mail address, date you subscribed, and the e-mail options followed by the radio buttons to select your preferred option, and a "Save" or "Unsubscribe" button at the very bottom.

 

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:20 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 Londa,

           Is there a trick to getting several letters to work?   I have never been able, on any version of JAWS I've worked with, to get it to recognize the second through nth characters of a file name.  This would be so handy such that if you knew you had a file named file1.txt and file2.txt that you could type in file2 and have JAWS zoom right to the correct one.

           One of the reasons I've started teaching clients how to use Search Everything and the Copy-Paste technique of attaching files is because it's just far less tedious when they know enough of a file name to get search results that are either the single file or very few files, and those will be found anywhere they happen to be on the computer.  The amount of time saved with navigating via browsing when the files in question are nowhere near each other in the folder tree is huge.

Brian 


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 It would certainly be easier if that worked. My solution is to press shift + tab until I get to the list view. Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:08 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

Londa,

            Thanks so much.  What will be funny is if it behaves the same way in 2013, because what I'm using with this client and what I have on my own machine and this client has on hers.

            Over time I've actually been surprised at what JAWS chooses, and doesn't choose, to read at various points.  In JAWS 14 (I haven't retried in JAWS 17) if you are in a browse dialog and entered the first character or two of a file name you typically get the equivalent of a dropdown box that lists all the files in that folder that begin with those characters.  However, when you use down arrow to go through that list of files JAWS did not say a blessed thing.  If ever there were a place where announcement is needed, that's it.

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 
Edited

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:08 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

Londa,

            Thanks so much.  What will be funny is if it behaves the same way in 2013, because what I'm using with this client and what I have on my own machine is Outlook 2010.

            Over time I've actually been surprised at what JAWS chooses, and doesn't choose, to read at various points.  In JAWS 14 (I haven't retried in JAWS 17) if you are in a browse dialog and entered the first character or two of a file name you typically get the equivalent of a dropdown box that lists all the files in that folder that begin with those characters.  However, when you use down arrow to go through that list of files JAWS did not say a blessed thing.  If ever there were a place where announcement is needed, that's it.

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 Well, the fact that you don't see the change probably explains why JAWS doesn't read it. That's so strange. Try tabbing after you press the control tab and see if it changes then. The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 05:51 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Control Tab works from anywhere in the box. The only trouble is that JAWS doesn't speak the change.

 I'll have to try this again.  Not only does it not speak the change, it doesn't cause Windows to show that the tab has changed, either.  It does show the tab change if you are sitting on one of the tab headings and hit CTRL+TAB then.

When JAWS neither speaks nor causes Windows to show were you've jumped to you're more than a little in limbo, whether you can see or not.  We're also still using beginner level verbosity, too.

Brian


Re: F123.org.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:16 am, Nermin <voy44@...> wrote:
there seems to be no language selection available on the Portuguese front page.

 Nermin,

           There is actually a language selection on the page, but based on my experiences with pages that have multiple language versions it is a bit peculiar.  Most that I've ever dealt with have what looks like a series of small flags across the top of the page that I think of as "buttons" that correspond to the language you want to have displayed.

            On the f123.org main page there is a drop down menu that's positioned over on the right that, when you hover over it shows the link http://f123.org/# in the status bar and that corresponds to the page in Portuguese and also shows a dropdown list that includes the languages English, French, and Spanish (with French an Spanish written in their respective native languages, of course).

Brian

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