Hi again, Gene. Not only would Apple need to make their products accessible to the Apple computer operating systems, Apple IOS, Android, Linux, and Windows, but then, someone would argue that if these software versions weren't available in English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc, they wouldn't be accessible to everyone. When and where does it end?
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

Hi, Gene. Apple does make accessibility a priority for its users, when using Apple products. But they cannot possibly assure that apps for Windows will be accessible. If you were using a Mac, the app would most certainly be accessible to you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 10:41 AM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi everyone!
I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.
Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.
So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.
I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.
Thanks!
Gene...

I want to record material that comes through my sound card, e.gb., a Zoom session that I am listening to. I recall someone mentioning such an app, but I can’t locate the pertinent email.  I can’t use the Zoom Record feature as I am not a host. Can someone suggest such an app that works well with Jaws and that records what comes through the sound card?

Thanks very much!

Terrie Terlau


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On Jul 1, 2022, at 10:42 AM, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hello,

This sounds like a nice feature if I could get it to work. I have no problem adding them to PDF’s, but am not clear about how to detect and navigate to them with JAWS. I have Googled this, but all responses only work for sighted users. Is this possible?

Thanks,

David

 

 

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

That’s what I got as well, even though the email from FS reminding me of  the renewal seemed to talk about links to all the options. So to find the three and five year options, pick the shop online link from the main FS website, then the software for home link, then the JAWS Home Annual  link, and then scroll down and you’ll find the link for the three and five year options after the description of the one year license.

Sent from Mail for Windows

When I go to renew my Jaws Home license, I don’t get any options for anything other than a one year renewal.

What does one have to do to get the option for three or five year license renewals?

Kestrell

Actually, I’m almost thinking it might be a late charge for not purchasing the SMA by the end of last year, as I recall that prices used to go up for the SMA if one waited until after the end of the year when using their last SMA count. In fact, since I was waiting until the conventions to decide which type of license to renew, I hadn’t yet purchased the 2023 and 2024 SMA and so also got the $210 price when I put in my serial number, but then I got the lower $168 price, actually $178 something with sales tax,  after going to the checkout page.

Also, when I checked the JAWS Home Annual license page, it did show me the lower price from the $95 for each year, but then it said that lower price was the regular price.

Thus, I’m kind of wondering two things, so maybe I’ll be in line to call FS on Tuesday as well. First, regarding the SMA, is the $120 price only for those folks who renewed their SMA in what FS considers a timely manor, or is it for anyone who is currently running a 2022 license of JAWS? And second, regarding the discount for the three and five year Home Annual licenses, is this a discount for the conventions only, or is it now the normal discount for purchasing so many years at one time?

Finally, and I hope this will make sense, below I’ll copy and paste what I got when checking my serial number on the upgrade page, what I saw when bringing up the checkout page for the SMA, and finally what is shown on the store page regarding the three year Home Annual license:

Congratulations! Our records show that you are licensed for release 2022 of JAWS Single User and are eligible to renew your SMA for $210. This will entitle you to receive JAWS Single User releases up to version 2024.

JAWS Home Edition Screen Reader - SMA Late Renewal

Download Only

1

x

$168.00

JAWS HOME ANNUAL - NON-RECURRING

Regular price$228.00

LICENSE TERM

3-year JAWS Non-Recurring

Sent from Mail for Windows

FS must think you have the professional, because the Home edition shouldn't

cost  but $120 .

----- Original Message -----

From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09@...>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Actually, I have the Home Use Edition, I got mine through the Window-eyes

switch over to Jaws too.

William Vandervest

timelord09@...

Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 18:25

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

That must have been for the professional, most people don't need the

professional license.

----- Original Message -----

From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09@...>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

I just purchased my sma renewal for $168.00 but I didn't learn about that

price until I got to the cart on the FS site, until I got there it waslisted

at $210.00.

William Vandervest

timelord09@...

Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene

Warner

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 17:31

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

This is how I understand it. If you paid the initial license price of

$950 for JAWS and have kept your SMAs up to ddate, then SMAs are better

because they only cost $60 per year with the discount and $75 per year

without the discount. But if you can't afford the initial license price

of $950, then the annual license is better because it doesn't require

that initial huge outlay of cash.

Gene...

On 7/2/2022 5:23 PM, Don H wrote:

> So I have been purchasing a SMA for JAWS and not purchasing the annual

> subscription.  Guess I don't really know which is better.

> 

> On 7/2/2022 4:19 PM, Loy wrote:

>> No, The $120 deal is for the SMA license. However there is a sale price

>> for the Home annual license I think it is $20 a year off if you buy 2 or

>> more years. .

>> 

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica M" <misswings@...>

>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 2:23 PM

>> Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

>> 

>> 

>>> I just renewed myyearly license back in April, as I pay the $95 per

>>> year. If I get this $120 deal, will it add on to my existing time

>>> remaining, or should I save my money?  I thought $95 was a good deal,

>>> but if one can pay either $120 or $150 for two years and get the same

>>> thing you get for $95 a year, that's a better money saver.

>>> 

>>> At 12:30 PM 7/2/2022, you wrote:

>>>> If 2022 was your last upgrade that your SMA entitled you to then to

>>>> get the lower $150 price, you should have bought another two years

>>>> before they released the 2022 version. That is what I meant by

>>>> letting your SMAs expire. Sorry for the confusion.

>>>> 

>>>> Gene...

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> On 7/2/2022 11:21 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

>>>>> My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet

>>>>> 

>>>>> William Vandervest

>>>>> timelord09@...

>>>>> Win10 latest revision

>>>>> There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

>>>>> William Vandervest

>>>>> u

>>>>> 

>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>>>>> Gene Warner

>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40

>>>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>>>>> Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

>>>>> You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.

>>>>> Gene...

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

>>>>>> I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> William Vandervest

>>>>>> timelord09@...

>>>>>> Win10 latest revision

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> William Vandervest

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> u

>>>>>> 

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>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13

>>>>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>>>>>> Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Gerald

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.

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If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy! Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E,  find Apple iPhone and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM, folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to, and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On Jul 4, 2022, at 1:38 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



Thank you for the answer to the question, I will file this away?

 

How do you keep finding the next occurrence of the color?

 

Alt f takes me into the file menu?

 

Can you please explain?

 

 

 

Again,

 

Thank you.

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: isolating text in a particular colour in word

 

Hi Glenn, 

 

That is good to know and I'll file it away in case I ever come across any customized colors in a document. 

 

Alan 

 

On Jul 4, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



Hi Alan,

Those are very good instructions.

I think Jaws can tell the user what the font color is as well, so if the person using your steps can find a character in some of the text, they can first find the exact color.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Lemly

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: isolating text in a particular colour in word

 

Hi Rahul,

 

I’m going to provide what I hope will help you locate blue text in your Word document. The instructions I’m providing were done on a system running Windows 10, Fusion 2020, and Word 2019 so if any of my steps differ from yours, it might be due to that. Also, when searching for colors, I’m assuming whoever marked the color in your document used the standard color blue and not some derivation thereof.

 

From the top of the Word document containing the blue text, do the following:

 

1. Press ctrl + h to open the find and replace dialog.
2. You should be located In the find what text box but you can press alt + n to move there and type an * which is a wildcard to find anything.
3. Press alt + m to open the more options.
4. Press alt + u to tick the box to use wildcards.
5. Press alt + o to open the Format drop-down list and arrow to Font and press enter.
6. Press alt + c to open the Font color drop-down box and down arrow until you hear Standard colors and then right arrow to blue and press enter.
7. Tab to the Ok button and press enter.
8. Press alt + f to initiate the find next and you should be taken to the first occurrence of blue text in your document.
9. Press esc to close the find and replace dialog so you can repeatedly press shift + F4 to navigate to the next occurrences of blue text within the document.

 

I hope this helps but write back if the steps are confusing, don’t work, or if you have more questions.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 12:28 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: isolating text in a particular colour in word

 

Hi,

 

I use Word 16, JAWS 2021, Win 10.

 

I would like to be able to isolate, in a word document, all the text that is in blue. That is the text that I need to study. I am not able to do this.

 

I have created a skim reading rule with blue is the text colour and white as the background colour. JAWS keeps ticking on pressing control+caps+down arrow after creating the rule. But does not read out any text. It finally says 'no matches found'. I know for a fact that there is some blue text in the document. Can someone help, please?

 

Rahul

 

--

--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford