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moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Steve Nutt
 

Sorry David, I wasn’t replying to you, but to Sorel.

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

I am afraid this is just completely  wrong and misinformed.

It is perfectly possible to override synthetiser pronunciations – this is an explicit function in NVDA where you can apply restriction of pronunciations to a voice or all synthetisers.

For example I have just loaded NVDA and using an even  older  Sapi 4 version of eloquence, the one provided by Kurzweil, and made exactly the same dictionary  amendment to Shostakovic that I tried to make with the Jaws Dictionary earlier tonight.

Unlike Jaws I did not have to enter Shostakovic multiple time. I only entered it once  without any punctuation. NVDA is reading it correctly irrespective of any punctuation surrounding the term.

For good measure I then switched to 2 other Sapi 5 synthetisers with NVDA and again Shostakovic is again being pronounced correctly now with the change I made in the NVDA Speech Dictionary.

So again why if even NVDA can provide this basic functionality  cannot VFO.

 

David Griffith

.

 

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From: Soronel Haetir
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

As I said, this is really not a VFO issue, it's a synthesizer issue,

and you should know that eloquence development stopped years ago.

 

Re. different results under Voiceover only if you were using the same

synthesizer (down to version) and got different behaviors depending on

which product was using it would I say that it is a synth client (i.e.

jaws) issue.

 

On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

> I use Eloquence  with pronunciation  set to some.

> As far as I can tell I don’t seem to have this problem  with for example

> Voiceover on the Mac so am puzzled as to why this should be an

> insurmountable technical challenge for VFO.

> David Griffith

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: 25 March 2021 23:40

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> Good point.

> David, which synth do you use?

> Also, maybe it is your punctuation level settings that might be the issue.

> I use Eloquence, and I use the default settings for punctuation, and I

> haven't had to deal with the issues you have.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>

> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:37 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> This really isn't an issue that VFO can address, these decisions are

> made deep in the synthesizer logic. The only thing the dictionary does

> is that when certain text is encountered specified other text is fed

> to the synthesizer in its place.

> Trying to broaden that so that the program replaces near-miss text

> with the dictionary entry would be fraught with error.

> On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

>> There is a constant dictionary annoyance which I find with Jaws.

>> 

>> So for example Eloquence on Jaws will mis-pronounce a name like

>> Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic

>> to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

>> 

>> .

>> 

>> However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed

>> by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the amended pronunciation will not

>> work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws

>> dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

>> 

>> The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop,

>> a

>> comma, and a colon.

>> 

>> Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6

>> times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the

>> word

>> with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

>> 

>> I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this

>> time

>> but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws

>> pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less

>> dumb?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> .

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

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>

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Steve Nutt
 

What rubbish. 😊 A synth can be made to say anything by a screen reader.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

I am afraid this is just completely  wrong and misinformed.

It is perfectly possible to override synthetiser pronunciations – this is an explicit function in NVDA where you can apply restriction of pronunciations to a voice or all synthetisers.

For example I have just loaded NVDA and using an even  older  Sapi 4 version of eloquence, the one provided by Kurzweil, and made exactly the same dictionary  amendment to Shostakovic that I tried to make with the Jaws Dictionary earlier tonight.

Unlike Jaws I did not have to enter Shostakovic multiple time. I only entered it once  without any punctuation. NVDA is reading it correctly irrespective of any punctuation surrounding the term.

For good measure I then switched to 2 other Sapi 5 synthetisers with NVDA and again Shostakovic is again being pronounced correctly now with the change I made in the NVDA Speech Dictionary.

So again why if even NVDA can provide this basic functionality  cannot VFO.

 

David Griffith

.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Soronel Haetir
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

As I said, this is really not a VFO issue, it's a synthesizer issue,

and you should know that eloquence development stopped years ago.

 

Re. different results under Voiceover only if you were using the same

synthesizer (down to version) and got different behaviors depending on

which product was using it would I say that it is a synth client (i.e.

jaws) issue.

 

On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

> I use Eloquence  with pronunciation  set to some.

> As far as I can tell I don’t seem to have this problem  with for example

> Voiceover on the Mac so am puzzled as to why this should be an

> insurmountable technical challenge for VFO.

> David Griffith

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: 25 March 2021 23:40

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> Good point.

> David, which synth do you use?

> Also, maybe it is your punctuation level settings that might be the issue.

> I use Eloquence, and I use the default settings for punctuation, and I

> haven't had to deal with the issues you have.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>

> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:37 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> This really isn't an issue that VFO can address, these decisions are

> made deep in the synthesizer logic. The only thing the dictionary does

> is that when certain text is encountered specified other text is fed

> to the synthesizer in its place.

> Trying to broaden that so that the program replaces near-miss text

> with the dictionary entry would be fraught with error.

> On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

>> There is a constant dictionary annoyance which I find with Jaws.

>> 

>> So for example Eloquence on Jaws will mis-pronounce a name like

>> Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic

>> to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

>> 

>> .

>> 

>> However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed

>> by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the amended pronunciation will not

>> work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws

>> dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

>> 

>> The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop,

>> a

>> comma, and a colon.

>> 

>> Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6

>> times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the

>> word

>> with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

>> 

>> I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this

>> time

>> but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws

>> pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less

>> dumb?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> .

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Soronel Haetir

> soronel.haetir@...

>

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Steve Nutt
 

As in my previous message, this is incorrect. VFO just need to add the options for whole word, regular expression, etc. Just look at NVDA's dictionaries and see how much better they are.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: 25 March 2021 23:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

This really isn't an issue that VFO can address, these decisions are made deep in the synthesizer logic. The only thing the dictionary does is that when certain text is encountered specified other text is fed to the synthesizer in its place.

Trying to broaden that so that the program replaces near-miss text with the dictionary entry would be fraught with error.

On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a constant dictionary annoyance which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws will mis-pronounce a name like
Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co
vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is
followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the amended
pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I
want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full
stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word
6 times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of
the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at
this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to
make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent
and smart and less dumb?



David Griffith

.







Sent from Mail for Windows 10




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moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Steve Nutt
 

Hi David,

 

This is where NVDA has the edge, because you can add a dictionary entry as whole word only, or any part of a word, or even a regular expression.  JAWS is not that clever.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 25 March 2021 23:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

 

David Griffith

.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: temporarily changing punctuation

Steve Nutt
 

Yeah, what they need to do, is to reassign that Excel key.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: 25 March 2021 22:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: temporarily changing punctuation

Insert-V, then search for "punctuation", then adjust the setting - changing it back later as desired.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2021 17:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: temporarily changing punctuation

In a recent JAWS update, I read that insert+shift+2 will temporarily change punctuation through all, some, most, and none. When I use the keystroke in most programs, it works just fine. However, in Excel when I want to temporarily hear *all punctuation, pressing
insert+shift+2 sets monitor cell 2. Is there a quick easy way to
temporarily change punctuation in Excel?


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

David Griffith
 

 

First of all, though this is a bit of a red herring, there is an inconsistency in the spelling of Shostakovich or Shostakovicc  on the web which I have found with my research. This is not a single agreed version. I am not sure which is correct or why the variation exists,  but I suspect it may be because of different anglicized interpretations of Russian Cyrillic script as happens from other translations from different alphabets.

but as with other names both exist so I want Jaws to pronounce each correctly.

Secondly I am using Jaws 21, I think February update but I have been aware of this annoyance for at least a while so probably extends back to Jaws 20 and 19 as well.

 

David Griffith

 

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From: Mike B
Sent: 26 March 2021 04:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

Hi Jaffar,

 

I'm using Eloquence and not having the problems David is having.  He didn't state which version of Jaws he's running, I'm running J16, and Vispero changed the way they do the computer lingo BS in JAWS17 and forward.  So, if he says which Jaws version he's running I'll give the version he's running a try to see what happens.  However I believe it's an entry issue in either the Actual or Replacement, fields of the JDF.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:33 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

I understand.  I am just wondering if it is all due to eloquence or jaws itself.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 10:11 am, Mike B wrote:



I Jaffar,

 

Whether I use a correct spelling or David's incorrect sample in the actual word field, when putting the sample provided by David I get the same results.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

Hi Mike. It should have been Shostakovich, if you are referring to the russian 20th century classical music composer.  His full name is Dmitri Shostakovich.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:21 am, Mike B wrote:



Hi David,

 

I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;

 

 Shostakovic.

 

Shostakovic:

 

Shostakovic,

 

Shostakovic?

 

Shostakovic!

 

Shostakovic;

 

 

Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!

Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.

When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.

 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM

Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

David Griffith

.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated using a pc with a fingerprint/faceID reader?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Good morning,

 

I just purchased a new laptop.

 

It’s a Lenovo IdeaPad & has both touch& face ID.

 

When I got to the point during setup, where it asked me to scan my finger, for touch ID, narrator didn’t say anything, so I needed sighted assistance.

Butt when its ready for me to login, Jaws says, “scan your finger on the fingerprint reader.”

 

Would it do the same with face ID?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 


moderated Outlook, change number of month displayed to name of month

Bill White
 

Is there a way that a JAWS user can change the number of the month displayed in Outlook to the name of the month? for example, how can you have Outlook display

 

Thu March 25 2021 11:14 PM

 

instead of

 

Thu 3/25/2021 11:14 PM

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: anti-virus

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:13 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:
If it is happening with a web browser or e-mail client then it may be a Phishing app trying to get you to click on it.
-
That was one of my first thoughts as well.  I haven't seen any antivirus or security suite report a clean machine and it actually be that antivirus or security suite doing a nag.
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moderated Re: anti-virus

Mike B.
 

I wonder if there's something in quarantine that's causing the message to pop-up.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: anti-virus

Hi, This may or may not be a virus. If it is happening with a web browser or e-mail client then it may be a Phishing app trying to get you to click on it. If this is the case anti-virus is not going to do anything and that may be why MS is reporting no virus's.

On 3/25/2021 7:46 PM, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Looking for an antivirus program that works with jaws.  I have a computer that keeps saying that windows defender found no viruses but I still get a message to click to remove viruses.


moderated Re: anti-virus

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Hi, This may or may not be a virus. If it is happening with a web browser or e-mail client then it may be a Phishing app trying to get you to click on it. If this is the case anti-virus is not going to do anything and that may be why MS is reporting no virus's.

On 3/25/2021 7:46 PM, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Looking for an antivirus program that works with jaws.  I have a computer that keeps saying that windows defender found no viruses but I still get a message to click to remove viruses.


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Mike B.
 


Hi Jaffar,
 
I'm using Eloquence and not having the problems David is having.  He didn't state which version of Jaws he's running, I'm running J16, and Vispero changed the way they do the computer lingo BS in JAWS17 and forward.  So, if he says which Jaws version he's running I'll give the version he's running a try to see what happens.  However I believe it's an entry issue in either the Actual or Replacement, fields of the JDF.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

I understand.  I am just wondering if it is all due to eloquence or jaws itself.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 10:11 am, Mike B wrote:

I Jaffar,
 
Whether I use a correct spelling or David's incorrect sample in the actual word field, when putting the sample provided by David I get the same results.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Hi Mike. It should have been Shostakovich, if you are referring to the russian 20th century classical music composer.  His full name is Dmitri Shostakovich.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:21 am, Mike B wrote:

Hi David,
 
I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;
 
 Shostakovic.
 
Shostakovic:
 
Shostakovic,
 
Shostakovic?
 
Shostakovic!
 
Shostakovic;
 
 
Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!
Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.
When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.
 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

David Griffith

.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


moderated Re: Zoom microphone

David Diamond
 

I bought a USB sound mixer, 6 channel from Amazon.  It was cheap in price but sure makes a big difference as I can record directly from the PC and run JAWS on one of the input channels.  I forgot all about the fact that I use that mixer till when testing the mic sound through Zoom, it recorded the JAWS synthesised voice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: March 25, 2021 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom microphone

 

Hi David,

How does one set up a separate channel for Jaws or NVDA? Thanks.

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom microphone

 

Oh, make sure you have a separate channel for JAWS.  If you don’t, all participants on zoom will hear JAWS in the background. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: March 24, 2021 9:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom microphone

 

In the audio settings of zoom, you can have the volume set to automatic. As Marty stated, the volume of the pc or laptop is totally different then the settings in zoom.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: March 24, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Zoom microphone

 

You can adjust your microphone volume in the Zoom ap by going to Settings and audio.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:10 PM

Subject: Zoom microphone

 

It was suggested that my microphone on zoom was too loud so the recording has trouble transcribing it?

How do I turn it down.

 

I went into the volume settings on the pc but only saw the master volume.

 

I didn't see a way to turn down the microphone.

 

Thanks.

 

Justin

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

I understand.  I am just wondering if it is all due to eloquence or jaws itself.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 10:11 am, Mike B wrote:

I Jaffar,
 
Whether I use a correct spelling or David's incorrect sample in the actual word field, when putting the sample provided by David I get the same results.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Hi Mike. It should have been Shostakovich, if you are referring to the russian 20th century classical music composer.  His full name is Dmitri Shostakovich.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:21 am, Mike B wrote:

Hi David,
 
I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;
 
 Shostakovic.
 
Shostakovic:
 
Shostakovic,
 
Shostakovic?
 
Shostakovic!
 
Shostakovic;
 
 
Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!
Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.
When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.
 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

David Griffith

.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


moderated Re: anti-virus

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:46 PM, Gery Gaubert wrote:
but I still get a message to click to remove viruses.
-
The first question, in regard to this is:  From What?   And saying what, exactly.

It would also help to know what Windows is being talked about.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated anti-virus

Gery Gaubert
 

Looking for an antivirus program that works with jaws.  I have a computer that keeps saying that windows defender found no viruses but I still get a message to click to remove viruses.


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Mike B.
 


I Jaffar,
 
Whether I use a correct spelling or David's incorrect sample in the actual word field, when putting the sample provided by David I get the same results.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Hi Mike. It should have been Shostakovich, if you are referring to the russian 20th century classical music composer.  His full name is Dmitri Shostakovich.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:21 am, Mike B wrote:

Hi David,
 
I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;
 
 Shostakovic.
 
Shostakovic:
 
Shostakovic,
 
Shostakovic?
 
Shostakovic!
 
Shostakovic;
 
 
Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!
Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.
When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.
 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

David Griffith

.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

You are exactly right Richard.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:32 am, Richard Turner wrote:

Are we talking about Shostakovich, the composer? 

 

If so, the name was misspelled from the beginning.

 

Eloquence mispronounces it terribly, while Vocalizer Expressive does a fine job.

 

Eloquence says something like sha stack  a kov vich

 

But if it is spelled like this, Eloquence gets it pretty close:

Shaustahcoevvich

 

HTH,

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

Hi David,

 

I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;

 

 Shostakovic.

 

Shostakovic:

 

Shostakovic,

 

Shostakovic?

 

Shostakovic!

 

Shostakovic;

 

 

Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!

Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.

When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.

 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM

Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

 

David Griffith

.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi Mike. It should have been Shostakovich, if you are referring to the russian 20th century classical music composer.  His full name is Dmitri Shostakovich.  Cheers!

On 26/3/2021 9:21 am, Mike B wrote:

Hi David,
 
I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;
 
 Shostakovic.
 
Shostakovic:
 
Shostakovic,
 
Shostakovic?
 
Shostakovic!
 
Shostakovic;
 
 
Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!
Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.
When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.
 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM
Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

 

David Griffith

.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

Don Walls
 

Couldn’t David type Shostakovitch with an asterisk after the name?  Would that not cover any situation with space or punctuation following the name?
 
Don               
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance
 

Are we talking about Shostakovich, the composer? 

 

If so, the name was misspelled from the beginning.

 

Eloquence mispronounces it terribly, while Vocalizer Expressive does a fine job.

 

Eloquence says something like sha stack  a kov vich

 

But if it is spelled like this, Eloquence gets it pretty close:

Shaustahcoevvich

 

HTH,

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

Hi David,

 

I just put the name, Shostakovic, into my JDF exactly the way you did along with the replacement, and I then placed a question mark, colon, exclamation mark, a period, a comma and a semicolon after the name and they all read the same.  See below;

 

Shostakovic.

 

Shostakovic:

 

Shostakovic,

 

Shostakovic?

 

Shostakovic!

 

Shostakovic;

 

 

Are you putting a space at the beginning or at the end of the name in either the actual or replacement field?  if so, do not!

Also, these are my other settings, Applies to language, All Languages, Speak replacement word using language, Default, and the case sensitive is not checked.

When you exit are you saving your changes?  When I close I use the, Control + S, keystroke then I press, Alt + F4.

 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:29 PM

Subject: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

There is a constant dictionary annoyance  which I find with Jaws.

So for example Eloquence on Jaws  will mis-pronounce a name like Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

.

However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the    amended pronunciation will not work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop, a comma, and a colon.

Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6  times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the word with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this time but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less dumb?

 

David Griffith

.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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